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The fantasy is over, we must partition Iraq and get out now (a view from the thames)
The Sunday Times (London) ^ | 5/21/2006 | Simon Jenkins

Posted on 05/21/2006 4:51:33 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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This weekend another Iraqi government, the third in three years, entered office under American guns in Baghdad’s green zone.
1 posted on 05/21/2006 4:51:37 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy
Just what we really need here -- another opinion.

How many nations has the author built?

2 posted on 05/21/2006 4:56:08 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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This weekend another Iraqi government, the third in three years, entered office under American guns in Baghdad’s green zone.

This bizarre spin (the previous "governments" were intended to be temporary as means of chosing the one longterm government) is all I need to read before moving on.

3 posted on 05/21/2006 4:56:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: FerdieMurphy
That has got to be the most cliche filled ignorant pile of nonsense I have read today.
4 posted on 05/21/2006 4:58:13 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am only an evil INTERN. I am still learning.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Echoing the advise of "Plugs" Biden? Not a very good move. Leftist critics have never been satisfied, or right about anything. Even if we had rolled into Baghdad and found Hussein on top of a pile of chemical munitions, reading a love letter from OBL......they'd still be parroting the same lines.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 4:58:25 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

advise = advice


6 posted on 05/21/2006 5:01:42 AM PDT by edpc
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To: FerdieMurphy

Partition would cause a civil war. The Sunni areas don't have much oil.


7 posted on 05/21/2006 5:02:11 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Simon Jenkins" doesn't SOUND French, but hey - what's in a name?


8 posted on 05/21/2006 5:03:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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"....would cause a civil war."

And that is a bad thing?


9 posted on 05/21/2006 5:04:16 AM PDT by dakine
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These Brits have a strange view of what's war and what's just normal life in a rough neighborhood.

The killing rate in Iraq is barely that found in the residential areas of DC.

There are other American cities with higher rates of killing, and when you get into such third-world vacation spots as Lagos, Nigeria, downtown Baghdad is seen for the peaceful respite that it really is.

10 posted on 05/21/2006 5:04:17 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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This bizarre spin (the previous "governments" were intended to be temporary as means of chosing the one longterm government) is all I need to read before moving on.

Well, more than that, perhaps he ought to review the immediate post WWII Italian political history, extending right up to 1994.  Seemed like they had a new government every five minutes.

11 posted on 05/21/2006 5:04:35 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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post WWII Italian political history, extending right up to 1994. Seemed like they had a new government every five minutes.

Great point. In 1999 I met an Italian woman who was amused by how Americans complained about their government. She said something to the effect of "Our government, not the party but the government itself, has changed every three years since World War II, you don't know how good you have it."

She may have been exagerrating (or I'm misremembering) but her point was clear.

Even if this is an exagerration, I guess this writer wishes we'd bailed on Italy after WWII.

12 posted on 05/21/2006 5:07:40 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: FerdieMurphy
In much of Iraq everything points to a looming conflict between Shi’ites and Sunnis.

'Tis an ill wind that blows no good.

13 posted on 05/21/2006 5:10:54 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: FerdieMurphy

I for one felt that it was a mistake to try to "nation build." I did however, support the invasion and still do. I always thought that they had no ability really to build a democracy in Iraq (the people are backwards). I felt that we should turn it over to the tribes and get out and if the country was partitioned that would be the best of all worlds for everyone concerned. That being said, I feel that the Iraq's are doing better then I thought they would be doing. It is really time to take a good look at Iraq and see what is going down. It may be worth while to stay and it may be best to get out. But, the worst thing to do is make it look like we are being chased out.


14 posted on 05/21/2006 5:12:00 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: FerdieMurphy

Simon Jenkins is and always was, an idiot.


15 posted on 05/21/2006 5:15:58 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: dakine

Depends on who wins.


16 posted on 05/21/2006 5:17:28 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: bilhosty

Try this: Without our "nation building" Iraq would now be annexed to Iran.


17 posted on 05/21/2006 5:17:42 AM PDT by rightazrain (OK, who put a "Stop Payment" on my reality check?)
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To: Darkwolf377
She may have been exagerrating (or I'm misremembering) but her point was clear.

Actually, she was being conservative.  On average, the governments lasted something like eleven months.

Not only were there numerous political parties, but numerous contending factions within the parties, and contending factions within the factions.  By comparison, Iraq is as steady as the Rock of Gibraltar. :-)

Plus, people might remember Italy has had its share of internal terrorism, death and mayhem.

18 posted on 05/21/2006 5:20:09 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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This weekend another Iraqi government, the third in three years, entered office under American guns in Baghdad’s green zone.

That got the ol' BS detector pegging off the scale. I couldn't resist reading more of it, but none of it surprised me.

This article would make great cat litter box or birdcage liner.

19 posted on 05/21/2006 5:20:33 AM PDT by Allegra (My Tagline is Humblegunner Approved)
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To: Allegra

Our cats deserve better litter!


20 posted on 05/21/2006 5:21:30 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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