[mc6809e]

People that don't wear seat belts and have accidents will make their misery your misery in some way or another.

If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves.

With that in mind, I think this is a good law.

[WKB]

With that in mind, I think this is a good law.


I to agree with you BUT
My point is parking in a handicap zone
carries a fine from $100 to $200.
No seat belt =$25.00
The state appears to be serious about not
parking in a handicap zone which very seldom
causes death and destruction.
So why not do the same with the deadly seat belt.

[#1CTYankee]

"With that in mind, I think this is a good law."

I disagree, by that reasoning we shouldn't allow people to engage in dangerous activity either.

Let's start by outlawing mountain biking, sking, skydiving and scuba diving (Etc)

Why stop there? let's outlaw soap in the shower, that's too dangerous!!

We might all smell like the French but we'll live longer.

[Wurlitzer]

"If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves. "

This is how the ruling class works. First they write laws that make us responsible for someone else's stupid actions then they write another law which they claim is needed because "if a person gets hurt because they did or did not do xyz then society is responsible."

This is life in American thanks to lawyers and lawyers who become law makers. They squeeze us between two laws on most every issue.

How about we make these nanny laws simple. If you don't do xyz then your insurance company and the American taxpayer are off the hook.

As a former race car driver I never start the car before the belt is on but is annoys me to no end that I am forced by the nanny state to buckle up.

[the OlLine Rebel]

"If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves."


I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but I have an inkling.

In any case, this is circular reasoning. Then 1 could start making violations for every single every-day thing you do that isn't "perfectly" safety-concious (never mind other aspects).

"Because it ....somehow....indirectly.....4th party....affects others...."

BS. I worry about DIRECT effects. Screw the indirect consequences. EVERYTHING has indirect trickle-down consequences, and some of THOSE are "bad" from doing "good"!

Where does it end?

[Old Professer]

Seat belts don't prevent collisions.

Crash clean-up cost and a pine box in Potter's Field is a lot cheaper than weeks in intensive care.

Seat belts may save lives but they don't prevent injuries.

[TKDietz]

I was in an accident once where had I have been wearing a seat belt i would have been killed or at least seriously injured. We were "T-boned" by a car coming at a high rate of speed. i was in the passengers seat and saw the car coming and new it was going to hit us. I jumped on top of the driver. The car was about half its original width after the wreck. The passenger's seat was partly on top of the driver's seat and the passenger side door was smashed down on the passenger's seat about half way across it, right where I had been sitting. Had I have been strapped to that seat I would have been crushed.

I know that most of the time you are better off in a wreck if you are wearing a seat belt, but not always. I do always wear a seat belt when I'm on a long trip or driving on mountain roads, but rarely in town. I hate the seat belt laws. It is my business if I wear a seat belt and no one else's. I have tons of insurance, and a considerable amount of assets. They say "click it or ticket." I say take your ticket and stick it. We don't even have helmet laws in my state and they harass people about seat belts? Some yahoo cop can pull me over on his two wheeled death trap motorcycle and write me a ticket for not wearing my seat belt? I'll wear my seat belt when I feel like I should be wearing it, and anyone who doesn't like that can kiss my rear end.

These laws that allow cops to pull you over for not wearing a seat belt are favorites of cops really for one reason. With those laws it's easier for them to pull over whoever they want to pull over and shake them down. It makes it easier for them to harass people, search them for drugs, whatever. Cops and prosecutors love laws like these. "Freedom loving people" should hate laws like these. Give the government an inch and they'll take a mile. These types of laws and others along the same vein are the way governments incrementally steal our freedom a little bit at a time and eventually subject us to living in a police state where no one is safe from their tyrannical intrusions. That may seem overly dramatic, but that's the way I feel. I've been working in the criminal justice system a lot of years and I'm not liking the way I'm seeing things change. More and more we have law enforcement working undercover, even the game and fish and park rangers are getting in on it, spying on their fellow Americans. More and more we're seeing the use of paid and/or coerced "confidential informants" who will say and do whatever they have to say or do to make their money or save their own butts. And more and more we are seeing legislators and courts make it easier for law enforcement to stop people, search them, and generally intrude in their quiet enjoyment of life. Our incarceration rate has shot up to the point in the last few decades that it is the absolute highest of any nation in the world, several times higher than it ever was at any point in our nation's history prior to 1979. Politicians keep passing more and more laws criminalizing more and more conduct, increasing punishments, turning misdemeanors into felonies, and on and on and on. Police keep getting more and more militarized, with the motto "to protect and serve" just becoming a quaint memory of bygone days. Things are changing, and not for the better.

[CGTRWK]

With that in mind, I think this is a good law.

People ought to wear their belts. Police checkpoints are an awfully high price to pay to make them do it. It's a lose-lose scenario.

[mugs99]

With that in mind, I think this is a good law

Interesting logic...Do you think we need a law to punish fat people?
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[old gringo]

rember, all we want to do is get cigarette coms off the air?i rest my case.

[185JHP]

I like this law. No amount of skill or alertness can prevent another vehicle from crashing into yours, in which case you're at much greater risk if not buckled up. Reality can bite. It can bite harder if you're in a stupid zone...