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9/11 conspiracy theorists energized
CNN.com ^ | 7 August 2006

Posted on 08/06/2006 5:18:55 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

(AP) -- Kevin Barrett believes the U.S. government might have destroyed the World Trade Center. Steven Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the twin towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them, not by hijacked airliners.

These men aren't uneducated junk scientists: Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall, over the protests of more than 60 state legislators. Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists.

Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on September 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago, Illinois.

The movement claims to be drawing fresh energy and credibility from a recently formed group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

The organization says publicity over Barrett's case has helped boost membership to about 75 academics. They are a tiny minority of the 1 million part- and full-time faculty nationwide, and some have no university affiliation. Most aren't experts in relevant fields.

But some are well educated, with degrees from elite universities such as Princeton and Stanford and jobs at schools including Rice, Indiana and the University of Texas.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911conspiracy; 911truther; academia; blameamericafirst; bushsfault; cnnselfpromo; conspiracy; conspiracytheory; dubyadidit; islaminamerica; islamonazism; kevinbarrett; libertarians; moonbats; ronpaul; taxdollarsatwork; tenuredprofessors; uwmadison; whywefight; youpayforthis
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To: r-q-tek86; aflaak

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61 posted on 08/06/2006 7:22:06 PM PDT by neutra
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To: MadLibDisease

Mark


62 posted on 08/06/2006 7:40:36 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (http://www.25waystohelpisrael.com)
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To: DBrow
" . . . but did find tritium and uranium in the debris?"

So what is the significance of that?

63 posted on 08/06/2006 7:47:20 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Aussie Dasher

They came down because the asbestos was removed due to environmental pressures years ago.


64 posted on 08/06/2006 7:52:10 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II --> Appeasing Islam for 27 years)
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To: Uncle Hal
Barrett is white, pasty, red haired and ..... a convert to Islam. Other than that, he's unbiased about Islam, and should be teaching it.

A white midwesterner converting to that pagan religion is the definition of a mental disorder.

65 posted on 08/06/2006 10:19:57 PM PDT by Defiant (Arnold has become a democrat, and does not deserve the votes of conservatives.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

What really amazing is CNN treats this lunacy as a serious news story. Meanwhile all the various stories about Juanita Braudrick and Bill Clinton, Able Danger and the Saddam Docs are treated like wacko Tin Foil Hat Conspericy nuts.

What utter scumbags run the Junk Media these days.


66 posted on 08/07/2006 3:50:01 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: Young Werther
believe that the Twin Towers were brought down by US conspirators. The evidence is whelming.

And the thousands of people who saw or filmed the 2nd plane hitting the Tower? Ah mass hypnoses no doubt.

A firm belief in an idiotic theory does not render raving lunacy fact. Many people believed for centuries the earth was the center of the universe. Science PROVED it according to them. They, like you, were utter and complete idiots.

67 posted on 08/07/2006 3:54:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists."

I'd laugh but this is a real sentence.
68 posted on 08/07/2006 3:54:42 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: DBrow
And the thousands of people who saw or filmed the 2nd plane hitting the Tower? Ah mass hypnoses no doubt.


A fanatic belief in an idiot completely hysteric emotion based feeling is NOT "Fact". There is NO, repeat NO, factual base for all these idiotic notions. None of the "Facts" claimed by the Tin Foil Hat crowd are FACTS. They are merely CLAIMS made by political bigots and repeated as "Facts".

Real simple test for you. I say the nut bags are liars. Provide proof I am wrong. Not verbal CLAIMS by these Political Bigots but ACTUAL verifiable proof.

Problem is none of you nut jobs can provide any proof for any of your wack job rants. You merely CLAIM you have proof.

9-11 was one event that should of never been politicized. That some feverish political bigots are trying to politicize it out of fanatic hate for the US Society shows these nuts to be sub human scum on the same level as the KKK or the Aryan Nation. They should be laughed to scorn where ever they show their ignorant hate filled faces.
69 posted on 08/07/2006 4:02:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: angcat
I would say the President is one hell of a Man if he can do all this, more power to him......................

What do you suppose the result would be if the FBI had managed to kill the Terrorists in a raid right before 9-11? Or an Airmarshall killed them on the plane? Bush would of been politically unassilable and had the political concensus to go to war. The idea that "Bush Knew" and did nothing is so obviously stupid it absurd it utterly ridiculous that CNN gives air time to these hate filled stoodges.

70 posted on 08/07/2006 4:05:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: MNJohnnie

I hope, MNJohnnie, you meant someone else when you said "you nut jobs".

I think the towers were brought down by Islamic terrorists, who had been planning the job for a few years. In fact, it was their second try.

Karl Rove, Bush, or even Halliburton were not involved.


71 posted on 08/07/2006 5:49:42 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: MNJohnnie

How about if Bush went on TV on 9/10 and said "we are going to be attacked" therefore we must have Air Marshall’s and a Homeland Security Dept. and ect ect. They would not believe him and he would be a Hitler anyway. It is a no win situation for a Republican President to protect the country that is full of ingrate nutcase Lefttard idiots!


72 posted on 08/07/2006 6:38:33 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: DBrow

Sorry bad habit. I need to learn to find a different construct then the impersonal YOU. Too easy for it to be misunderstood.


73 posted on 08/07/2006 7:49:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: MNJohnnie

Oh, no problem. I only called it to your attention so that you could slam, er, I meant inform, the proper people, who may not have seen it on their ping list.


74 posted on 08/07/2006 8:03:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Aussie Dasher
I find it amazing that the Left are more willing to believe Osama than they are George Bush. That they consider Osama to be less dangerous than George Bush.

The Left scares me.

75 posted on 08/07/2006 2:47:32 PM PDT by kellynch (Expecto Patronum!)
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To: muawiyah

Barrett and Jones definitely prove that somebody is beaming "secret rays" into their heads.
____________________________________
a related scientific study:

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:
An Empirical Study

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/


76 posted on 08/18/2006 3:21:46 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Eastbound

WTC Building 7 was damaged by debris from the collapse of towers 1 and 2. This according to firefighters who were ACTUALLY THERE! There was a 20-story high hole in the building. Try doing some research before you spout off.

Read it here:

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

We went one block north over to Greenwich and then headed south. There was an engine company there, right at the corner. It was right underneath building 7 and it was still burning at the time. They had a hose in operation, but you could tell there was no pressure. It was barely making it across the street. Building 6 was fully involved and it was hitting the sidewalk across the street. I told the guys to wait up.

A little north of Vesey I said, we'll go down, let's see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.

But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we're going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn't look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn't really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I'm standing next to said, that building doesn't look straight. So I'm standing there. I'm looking at the building. It didn't look right, but, well, we'll go in, we'll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we'll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.

We ended up getting back to the command post at Broadway and Vesey. By that time, there were probably 50 officers standing in a row. And I was like, I'm not going to stand on another line like that. So we came down with Fox. I knew Fox was somewhere. So we found out that Fox was over at Cortlandt and Church. They were putting a tower ladder into operation, so we made our way over to there. We ended up helping.

They had no pressure at all off of any of the hydrants from Broadway. He was asking if there was any way that we could do anything at Broadway or West. From Broadway to West westward toward Church Street there was no pressure at all. We spotted one of the squads up on Cortlandt over by Broadway and he was hooked up to a hydrant, and it was running. There was nobody there. I don't know which squad it was, but you know they were in there. We were just sitting there, so we stretched the line off of him. We relayed it to 274, who relayed it to another engine down the street and eventually we got more pressure. I think it was 22 Truck on Church and Cortlandt and they were operating to number 5.

We did that for a little while. It took a while to get the hose there because there was a White Plains company helping us and they had some different fittings. So we got water to 22, but then that's when they said all right, number 7 is coming down, shut everything down. I don't know what time that was. It was all just a blur.

Firehouse: Did they shut the tower lines and remove them from there?

Boyle: No, just left them. Everything was left where it was. Just shut everything down, moved everybody back.

Firehouse: Could you see building 7 again from there?

Boyle: Seven, no. You got a half block away, you couldn't see it, couldn't see a damn thing. All we heard was they were worried about it coming down, everybody back away. We ran into the people running around for water for the eyes because everybody's eyes were burned and I don't know who they were. I think it was the doctor and some other people. They were just running around, washing people's eyes out.

We were there about an hour or so until number 7 came down and everything was black again.

Firehouse: So number 7 comes down. Everything went black?

Boyle: It was like it was night again. First, we went to Liberty and Church and that was the big pile from the south tower that came down. There was a pile there, had to be 15, 20 stories high with guys roaming around on the pile.

That was the first time I really saw one of the towers fully down. I had no idea. It was an amazing site, stunning, it was surreal. Guys were climbing around in the pile, but I figured we had to try to hook up with Chief Fox again, so we headed north on Church and we ran into Fox again on Church and they were putting the tower ladders back into operation.


77 posted on 08/18/2006 3:37:03 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Young Werther
The devil did it.

78 posted on 08/18/2006 3:40:05 PM PDT by evets (08-22-06)
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To: Aussie Dasher

How can the very same government that can't even run the local Department of Motor Vehicles, can orchestrate the perfect conspiracy?

This is government we are talking about. Those who can, do. Those who can't work for the government.


79 posted on 08/18/2006 3:43:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Aussie Dasher

I notice the article doesn't mention that Professor Barrett converted to Islam.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barrett

In the early 1990s, Barrett received two master's degrees in English literature and French from the San Francisco State University and married a Muslim Moroccan-born woman. He converted to Islam in 1992.


80 posted on 08/18/2006 3:48:22 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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