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Where global warming's welcome Some Greenlanders see boon in milder temperatures
The Pittsburg Post-Gazette ^ | August 26, 2006 | Lauren Etter

Posted on 08/26/2006 4:38:50 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Stefan Magnusson lives at the foot of a giant, melting glacier. Some think he's living on the brink of a cataclysm. He believes he's on the cusp of creation.

The 49-year-old reindeer rancher says a warming trend in Greenland over the past decade has caused the glacier on his farm to retreat 300 feet, revealing land that hasn't seen the light of day for hundreds of years, if not more. Where ice once gripped the earth, he says, his reindeer now graze on wild thyme amid the purple blooms of Niviarsiaq flowers.

The melting glacier near Mr. Magnusson's home is pouring more water into the river, which he hopes soon to harness for hydroelectricity.

"We are seeing genesis by the edge of the glacier," he says.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatology; globalwarming; greenland; science

1 posted on 08/26/2006 4:38:51 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


3 posted on 08/26/2006 5:00:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

1,000 years ago Greenland was warmer than it is today. Grazing lands were more widespread then than now.

Climate change is taking place, yes.

It is natural, however, and has happened before!


4 posted on 08/26/2006 5:05:13 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Can another Little Ice Age be far behind?


5 posted on 08/26/2006 5:05:32 PM PDT by stboz
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To: stboz
Well, let me see; if I recall my history correctly, Ole Eric the Red when first casting his eyes on Greenland, named it as such because it was "green". If I also recall some articles about this written by so called experts, there was a warming period occurring at that time. In fact, I have seen it written that there was open water all the way around Greenland at that time. Then, shortly after, a mini ice-age set in which eventually forced the vikings to abandon their settlements on Greenland. So, the climate has been fluctuating back and forth since forever it seems to me...
6 posted on 08/26/2006 5:11:26 PM PDT by snoringbear
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To: vladimir998
1,000 years ago Greenland was warmer than it is today. Grazing lands were more widespread then than now.

The Vikings must have called it Greenland for some reason.

Funny, but all I was ever taught in school was that "Greenland" was a misnomer, because it was all ice and snow . Of course, my teachers never mentioned the fact that there was warming 1000 years before.

7 posted on 08/26/2006 5:20:25 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
"...the purple blooms of Niviarsiaq flowers."


8 posted on 08/26/2006 5:28:46 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Clintonfatigued

Notice lesser elevations are shrinking and larger elevations have grown. Over all there is a net gain of ice in Greenland.



Overall elevation change over 11 years


http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMILF638FE_index_0.html

9 posted on 08/26/2006 5:33:06 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: melt

Yes, "Greenland" was a deliberate misnomer to trick people into settling there. Greenland, however, did have a large green zone 1,000 year ago than today.

Here's the story in a nutshell: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=16928


10 posted on 08/26/2006 5:40:12 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Fascinating! Thank you.


11 posted on 08/26/2006 5:57:45 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: melt
The definitive work on Greenland and the Norse settlements begining in the year 982 A.D. is Prof. Jared Diamond's ''Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed.'' Fully 20% of this 525 page (plus endnotes) work is devoted to describing why the Norse settlement failed while their neighbors, the Inuit, survived and flourished.

He also examines modern day Montana, Easter Island, the Pictcairn and Henderson Islands, The Anasazi, Maya, Rwanda, Dominican Republic and Haiti, and others. It takes more than a rainy weekend to read through this comprehensive study. Professor Diamond was the recipient of a Pulitzer Prize for his other readable and noteable work: ''Guns, Germs, and Steel.'' He is a professor of geography at UCLA.

12 posted on 08/26/2006 6:26:22 PM PDT by middie
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To: middie

I will check it out. I've always loved history. :)


13 posted on 08/26/2006 6:43:43 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: snoringbear
I have to wonder.....so we 've had (or are having still) a period of increased solar output....ergo, it's hot on earth and the oceans are warming (maybe).

At some point, the solar output will fall back to a lower level. Temperatures will drop.

The oceans, being warm, will still evaporate considerable amounts of water ....that will condense and fall as ....gasp...snow in the colder climates....

You can see where this is heading. Don't lose your your longjohns.

14 posted on 08/26/2006 6:51:08 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Baynative
I guess the "blackmouth" was scurvy?

Hilarious! Olaf the Loud kept his mouth shut long enough to get back to Elga--- who must have had some pretty big grapes of her own.

16 posted on 08/26/2006 7:40:27 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Baynative

I love all of that Viking Saga stuff. I had to read part of the Vinland Saga in Old Norse in graduate school (yes, it was difficult!), and found it fascinating.

Still, I think the best saga is Burning Njal's Saga, especially the fight scene on the ice. I haven't read it in a few years, but it was very entertaining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nj%C3%A1l%27s_saga

I know there is a press in Iceland that still publishes all of the great sagas in relatively inexpensive hardback editions. For the life of me I can't think of the press' name! Argh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sagas_of_Iceland


17 posted on 08/26/2006 7:46:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Stefan Magnusson lives at the foot of a giant, melting glacier. Some think he's living on the brink of a cataclysm...seems to me I heard about a study earlier this week wherein comparisons were made with photographs taken of Greenland over the last hundred years - thay showed that the ice there has actually been melting significantly over that entire period of time - and most quickly about fifty years ago, about the time we were all being told another ice age was on the way - the melting was attributed to a normal warming cycle, and in no way could it be linked to man-made climate change.....
18 posted on 08/26/2006 9:09:03 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Names Ash Housewares

It this a Rhododendron sp?


19 posted on 08/26/2006 9:11:32 PM PDT by Tampa Caver
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