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CBS To Air Profanity-Laden Program (Complaint About "9/11" Documentary)
American Family Association ^ | August 2006 | n/a

Posted on 08/28/2006 7:22:45 PM PDT by Pyro7480

Not content with all the profanity already on TV, CBS has decided to air the profanity-laden unedited version of "9/11" on Sept. 10. The decision by CBS is a slap in the face to the FCC and Congress, which recently raised indecency fines to $325,000 per incident.

"9/11," which will be shown in prime-time, contains a tremendous amount of hardcore profanity. CBS has stated they have not, and will not, make any cuts in the amount and degree of profanity. CBS will ignore the law. The network is suing the FCC over the indecency law, saying they should be able to show whatever they desire whenever they desire. CBS wants no limits.

This is a test case for CBS to see how far they can go. If there is no out-pouring of complaints from the public, they will go further the next time.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afa; cbs; documentary; donaldwildmon; fcc; fifthanniversary; filth; filthyprofanities; getagrip; getalife; mrsgrundy; naughtywords; obscene; obscenefilth; profane; profanefilth; profanity; trashtv
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Related story: Wary of FCC rules, CBS sets updated '9/11'

This is the famed documentary by brothers Gedeon and Jules Naudet, who were with FDNY personnel on 9/11, and captured rare footage of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center.

"The updated version, which has been in the works for a year, will include interviews with 20 of the firefighters from the downtown Manhattan firehouse where the Naudets had been filming for months. Robert De Niro, who narrated the film, will tape new portions next week. More than 39 million people watched the documentary during its first airing in March 2002."

While I can certainly understand the concern, this documentary, in its original form, has already aired on CBS. According to the related story above, "CBS is taking steps to make sure that no one is caught by surprise, including informing affiliates of its plans to air the broadcast and, like the previous two telecasts, including strong warnings in the promos before the broadcast and at various points during the two-hour telecast."

1 posted on 08/28/2006 7:22:45 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480

Decencey Bump.


2 posted on 08/28/2006 7:25:29 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Pyro7480

Oh please. This documentary is one of the most powerful pieces of work I have ever seen in my life. Everyone should be required to see it. If the profanity in it offends you, deal with it. Life sucks, wear a helmet.


3 posted on 08/28/2006 7:26:17 PM PDT by killjoy (Dirka dirka mohammed jihad! Sherpa sherpa bakalah!)
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To: balch3

There was noting decent about September 11th.


4 posted on 08/28/2006 7:28:11 PM PDT by rwilson99 (R) South Park)
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To: killjoy
If it was unclear, my comments above were, "While I can certainly understand the concern, this documentary, in its original form, has already aired on CBS."

I think this same group would object to "Saving Private Ryan" being shown, and I think in both instances, that is overkill.

5 posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

The AFA has some misplaced priorities.


6 posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:22 PM PDT by rwilson99 (R) South Park)
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To: rwilson99

That's not what he's saying. He is saying that the DOCUMENTARY is powerful. Editing it will just detract from its message.

I am actually glad CBS has decided to do this. Good for them.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 7:29:36 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: balch3

I didn't see the documentary yet,but if it wakes up an America that seems to be losing the sting of what happened on 9\11 I say show it uncut !!!


8 posted on 08/28/2006 7:31:55 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: balch3

OHHHH PULEEZZE.

Don Wildeman strikes again, distorting truth until it's almost as indecent as the stuff he complains about.

There's a radical difference between broadcasting live footage of a terrible tragidy, and watching the obviously-staged Janet Jackson nipple exposure. There's a ton of difference between watching the carnage of 9-11 as it unfolded, and watching made-for-TV violence in any number of movies and TV shows.

And while we're at it, there is a radical difference between showing genitals during videos of child birth, and watching those same parts during a sex film. There is a world of difference showing our young people photos of VD-ridden genitals and showing them an old Hustler mag.

Too bad that some people just don't see that difference.


9 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:42 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Pyro7480
I'm just glad they are playing anything about 9/11, wordy dirds or not. It's been 5 years of the dinosaur media trying to get us to forget about all that unpleasantness and go back to sleep.
10 posted on 08/28/2006 7:32:46 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: oolatec; Pyro7480

I follow what Pyro had to say... I prefer to be less diplomatic.

Maybe the AFA can send out some burkas to cover the eyes an ears of the poor little children who may be damaged by the 'bad words' in the 9/11 documentary.


11 posted on 08/28/2006 7:33:36 PM PDT by rwilson99 (R) South Park)
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To: Pyro7480
"hardcore profanity"

What the CENSORED is that?
12 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:05 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Obie Wan
I didn't see the documentary yet,but if it wakes up an America that seems to be losing the sting of what happened on 9\11 I say show it uncut !!!

It is available on DVD and yes, it will wake you up.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006B1HI/sr=8-1/qid=1156818817/

13 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:10 PM PDT by killjoy (Dirka dirka mohammed jihad! Sherpa sherpa bakalah!)
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To: killjoy
"This documentary is one of the most powerful pieces of work I have ever seen in my life"

Same here. I have it on my computer and have watched it every year since 2001. I suppose the Pat Robertson types would have us believe no profanity was used when two airliners crash into two different sky scrapers causing them to fall, killing thousands of people. What a bunch of f'cking(self censorship) morons!

14 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:21 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Pyro7480

I hope the FCC fines the hell out of CBS. This is just another "camel-nose in the tent" tactic by CBS to try to get more profanity onto the public airwaves.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:25 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: Pyro7480

The feds should fine them the max then. There's no reason why profanity could not be edited out and no reason to leave it in.


16 posted on 08/28/2006 7:34:41 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NurdlyPeon

That is AFA's argument, and I think is understandable, but I disagree.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 7:35:39 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: killjoy
This documentary is one of the most powerful pieces of work I have ever seen in my life.

The version without the cursing and profanity. You have proven the case that CBS does not need it to make a powerful show.

This is a test case for CBS to see how far they can go. If there is no out-pouring of complaints from the public, they will go further the next time.

IMHO, this is the issue. They are using a powerful documentary to try to eliminate any and all limits on what they air in prime time.

18 posted on 08/28/2006 7:35:58 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Pyro7480; HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; Ramius; RMDupree; xzins
Didn't we have this same @#$@#% argument the first time this aired?

I don't condone profanity on network TV for "entertainment" value. But this is news. This is commentary.

And while I don't make it a practice, I said a whole lot of "poopy" words that day.

19 posted on 08/28/2006 7:37:17 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Obie Wan; killjoy
You can watch the TV version for free at 9/11: TV Version
20 posted on 08/28/2006 7:37:49 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

Sledgehammer! Apply directly to the forehead!
Sledgehammer! Apply directly to the forehead!
Sledgehammer! Apply directly to the forehead!


21 posted on 08/28/2006 7:38:20 PM PDT by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87...Kevin Reilly, Stephen Ward and Brent Woodall, R.I.P.)
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To: killjoy

So, 3000 people are killed: No problem with showing that.

People are shocked and cuss/swear in response: Oh, you must censor that.

odd, that is just odd.


22 posted on 08/28/2006 7:38:22 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: NurdlyPeon
"I hope the FCC fines the hell out of CBS. This is just another "camel-nose in the tent" tactic by CBS to try to get more profanity onto the public airwaves."

Surely you are joking. Do you think they should not show the documentary?

23 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:00 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: killjoy

"Oh please. This documentary is one of the most powerful pieces of work I have ever seen in my life. Everyone should be required to see it. If the profanity in it offends you, deal with it. Life sucks, wear a helmet."

So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv?


24 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:00 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Corin Stormhands

Is this videotape of 9/11 actual events or is it a recreation?


25 posted on 08/28/2006 7:39:41 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: EricT.
I'm just glad they are playing anything about 9/11, wordy dirds or not. It's been 5 years of the dinosaur media trying to get us to forget about all that unpleasantness and go back to sleep.

I could not agree with you more. Good for CBS, this should get more viewers since it will be on CBS and not one of the cable channels (History etc.)

26 posted on 08/28/2006 7:40:43 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv?

If you're a parent, you must ACT like one. If you know it's being aired, you must be PROACTIVE.

27 posted on 08/28/2006 7:41:48 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv?

No, I'm for parents raising their children, not the feds, what about you?

28 posted on 08/28/2006 7:42:06 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: xzins
This is actual events.

This has the only footage of the first plane hitting the towers.

It's an incredibly powerful documentary and everyone should watch it.
29 posted on 08/28/2006 7:42:44 PM PDT by Madison Moose
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To: plain talk

Oh come on get a life.There's hardly a show on tv that doesn't use profanity for the sake of using profanity,and in the case of this show editing the REAL language to emphasize the honest feelings of what was going on is ridiculous !!!


30 posted on 08/28/2006 7:43:51 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: xzins
"Is this videotape of 9/11 actual events or is it a recreation?"

It's very real. Just by chance two French journalists were doing a documentary with a crew of fire fighters, and it shows everything from the night before, and when it happened. It even has footage of the first impact while a fireman was out investigating a gas leak near the WTC. There was also allot of footage from inside the WTC while it was all going on. The thing that got to me the worst was the sound of bodies crashing on the roof of where the firemen were in the lobby. The whole thing is VERY intense, it's like being there.

31 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:50 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn
Do you think they should not show the documentary?

I don't remember making any comment to that effect. If it's so important to CBS to leave all the profanity in, then they should be willing to pay the fines. What's so hard about that? Let them put their money where their mouth is.

32 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:57 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: Pyro7480

After the initial airing, I went out and bought the DVD. I don't want to forget and I definitely don't want to see a cleaned up, girlyman version of 9-11. Send the kids to bed or use the remote. Islam's actions on 9-11 were profane. It shouldn't be sugar-coated.


33 posted on 08/28/2006 7:45:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (What changes do you intend to make to your lifestyle now that Pluto is no longer "a planet?")
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To: Pyro7480

"If you're a parent, you must ACT like one. If you know it's being aired, you must be PROACTIVE."

And what about the parents that do not know about this airing?


34 posted on 08/28/2006 7:45:37 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
"So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv?"

If it accurately portrays the horror I have no problem with this at all.
35 posted on 08/28/2006 7:45:45 PM PDT by ndt
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To: balch3

They should show it, unedited.
If you have ever had a rocket fired at you, there's a good chance
someone in your crowd yelled "HOLY @&#K".

Sorry folks that's the way it is.
After they show it, CBS should be fined 10 times what they booked in advertising.


36 posted on 08/28/2006 7:46:25 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
"So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv?"

I'm all for the parents ability to turn the channel, or having the children get the hell out of the room. I'd say that's allot better than government regulation. I always send the kids to bed before I watch South Park. =)

37 posted on 08/28/2006 7:47:27 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: donmeaker

The AFA seems to have a certain amount of misplaced indignation. While some times they go after a good legit target (Ford's big $$$ donations towards homosexual advocacy) other times I think they take away power from parents and dilute personal responsibility by seeming to insist that all television be suitable for small children.


38 posted on 08/28/2006 7:47:47 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Madison Moose; KoRn; Corin Stormhands

Given that it's real and a clearly non-contrived actual and important event, I'd say to go ahead and broadcast it.


Not everything needs to be shown raw just because it's real. Not everything is important, and many "real" things are contrived.


39 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: NurdlyPeon
"I hope the FCC fines the hell out of CBS. This is just another "camel-nose in the tent" tactic by CBS to try to get more profanity onto the public airwaves." See my earlier post. You obviously are one that doesn't understand it. Say... doesn't the Bible talk about "those that pisseth against the wall"?
40 posted on 08/28/2006 7:48:54 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Pyro7480
Good for CBS. Finally someone showing some balls in this PC BS era. Boo hoo, someone might get upset if they hear profanity. Well, I am still pi$$ed that there are so many muslim moonbats wasting my air. I watched a 9-11 show on one of the National Geographic channels last night. Too many people have forgotten about what happened, and what we are still fighting. To end my rant, here is a quote from Bin Laden they ended the documentary with.

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two." Osama Bin Laden

Wake up!!
41 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:02 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Good luck Andre! I hope you go out with a win, you're a great tennis player & even greater man.)
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To: Gunslingr3

"No, I'm for parents raising their children, not the feds, what about you?"

This is not about the feds. This is about raising children.

This is happening on broadcast tv, in other words, it is on one of the very few channels that every tv in America will pick up.

I would look at this issue completely differently if it were on a cable channel late at night, or simply sold on DVD. I have no problem with the profanity being aired. I do have a problem with the venue this is being aired on. CBS knows that also and is pushing the envelope and working to make this the feds fault, but it is CBS that is ignoring their responsibility to the parents of America.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:03 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
CBS is taking steps to make sure that no one is caught by surprise, including informing affiliates of its plans to air the broadcast and, like the previous two telecasts, including strong warnings in the promos before the broadcast and at various points during the two-hour telecast."
43 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

"So you are all for children learning any and all language that is aired on broadcast tv? "

No. Which is why I wouldn't let a child watch it.

And, see my first post. You obviously don't get it either.


44 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:35 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: jimtorr; mjaneangels@aolcom
IMHO, this is the issue. They are using a powerful documentary to try to eliminate any and all limits on what they air in prime time.

It is a documentary! It shows what happened INSIDE the World Trade Center on 9/11. Profanity was a part of that. Deal with it.

Since you are so angry that a child might be exposed to reality, why don't you call up the NY City Fire Department and tell them that they acted unprofessionally on 9/11 by using profanity? Please let me know what they say.

45 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:39 PM PDT by killjoy (Dirka dirka mohammed jihad! Sherpa sherpa bakalah!)
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To: Pyro7480

Isn't the AFA responsible for better than 98% of all FCC indecency complaint?


46 posted on 08/28/2006 7:50:43 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Pyro7480
Hi Pyro7480-

People weren't sitting around eating milk & cookies that horrible day. The language was a little tough, just like life itself.

~ Blue Jays ~

47 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:05 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: xzins
Actual footage as two camera's followed the firemen around .. One scene shows the look on the cheif's face while in a lobby that had been set up as a command post .. the voice over describes thuds heard outside on metal awnings as falling bodies .. you will discover within you the will to kill.
48 posted on 08/28/2006 7:51:59 PM PDT by knarf (Sevices for my lost, now consider deceased, tagline at 2 PM .. all welcome.)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

You know what, children learn that language earlier than you think.

But it does offer a pretty simple rule to teach your children: If your friends or co-workers dies in a terrorist attack on a building where you work, you can say Sh*t, F*ck, etc... as much as you want, but anything short of that you are eating the Ivory Soap.


49 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:38 PM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Obie Wan
I didn't see the documentary yet

Don't miss it.
Yes, there are a couple of spontaeous F-bombs; most memorable to
me was them being shouted by a cop to some stunned pedestrians in
order to get them to move on from the zone of devastation.

And have hankies at hand...if they again show the photo arrays of the
fallen to the tune of "Danny Boy".
Our own Freeper "BCM", Battalion Commander Moran, is seen in this closing sequence.
50 posted on 08/28/2006 7:52:55 PM PDT by VOA
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