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Princeton Professor Singer: And I repeat, I would kill Disabled Infants
LifeSiteNews | 9/12/06 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 09/12/2006 4:28:08 PM PDT by wagglebee

PRINCETON, September 12, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a question and answer article published in the UK's Independent today, controversial Princeton University Professor Peter Singer repeats his notorious stand on the killing of disabled newborns.  Asked, "Would you kill a disabled baby?", Singer responded, "Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole."

People who oppose Singer's position have maintained that Singer is the logical extension of the culture of death and that society will eventually embrace his stance if there is no shift to the culture of life.  Alex Scadenberg, Executive Director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition commented to LifeSiteNews.com about Singer saying, "at least he's consistent."  In fact, Singer himself uses the abortion debate to justify his murderous stance. 

"Many people find this shocking," continued Singer, "yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion."  Concluding his point, Singer said, "One point on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."

Singer's position, similar to the culture of death, is that there is no inherent dignity in man, there is no sanctity of human life.  Man deserves no special treatment since, Singer rejects that man was created in the image and likeness of God. 

Asked about the choice between killing 10 cows or a human, Singer said he would kill the cows, but not because they were of less value, but because humans would mourn the death more.  "I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of having a past and a future, and who plans for the future. Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do. And normal humans have family and friends who will grieve their death in ways more vivid and longer-lasting than the way cows may care about other cows. (Although a cow certainly misses her calf for a long time, if the calf is taken from her. That's why there is a major ethical problem with dairy products.) If I really had to make such a decision, I'd kill the cows."

Schadenberg commented saying, "Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is deciding who is a person and who is not.  Non-persons are allowed to be killed."  The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition leader concluded, "even though Singer does not like to be compared to the Nazi's especially since his parents died in the Holocaust, his philosophical position is identical to what the Nazi's proposed.  The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition is primarily concerned for the lives of people with disabilities and other vulnerable persons."

See the whole interview:
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1466409...



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykillers; campuscommies; campusradicals; cultureofdeath; deathcult; eugenics; moralabsolutes; nazis; petersinger; prolife; selfloathingjews
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To: AliVeritas

Yes, but who is Michigan Bill?


121 posted on 09/13/2006 1:14:11 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

the only good thing about princeton is that they have an active pro-life club.


122 posted on 09/13/2006 1:39:07 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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To: gridlock

It is not good that he does it in an upfront manner, because he stands on the prestige and mystique of Princeton University, and thousands are swayed by this. He should shut up about it.


123 posted on 09/13/2006 1:41:13 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: eleni121
Here is a deep, intelligent review of Singer's essay, which concludes that Singer's efforts to sanitize Darwin suffer a "fatal incoherence." But let the reviewer, Nancy Pearcey, tell you why.

Review: Peter Singer's "A Darwinian Left: Politics, Evolution, and Cooperation"

124 posted on 09/13/2006 1:47:55 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: Coleus

I know someone who is so proud that her son is starting his Ph.D. in philosophy at Princeton. She had never heard of Peter Singer.


125 posted on 09/13/2006 1:49:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

She had never heard of Peter Singer >>

I guess she'll find out soon. You may want to click on his keyword and send it on to her.


126 posted on 09/13/2006 1:57:43 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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To: AliVeritas
Didn't everyone see the blankness during Schiavo? If this country could starve a woman to death for a week and a half... to allow that, we're finished to say the least.
115 posted on 09/13/2006 3:41:02 PM EDT by AliVeritas

A society which no longer defends innocent life is finished as a civilization and fades into barbarism and sadistic tyranny. Along with those who provide the rationale for such genocide. It's a damnable legacy to leave behind for subsequent generations.

127 posted on 09/13/2006 1:59:55 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: eleni121; JCEccles; wagglebee; kellynch; T'wit

I'm only saying that just because Singer describes himself as a Darwinist, if he does, that doesn't mean that any large portion of Darwinists, evolutionists, or fence-sitters would be in agreement with him or his conclusions.

I believe that evolution occurs. I believe that countless examples in our everyday lives show it in action. But just because I can see the cold hand of Nature in inter-species rivalries doesn't mean that I think people should be subjected to the same ruthless Procrustean ordeal.

We are a cooperative species, helping each other when we can, knowing that eventually, we too will be in need. Singer likes to think of himself as the rugged individualist, the frontiersman, needing and asking nothing of society.

He is heading for a brutal fall.


128 posted on 09/13/2006 3:40:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: Prime Choice

Resistance is futile, and so is your life.

129 posted on 09/13/2006 5:04:26 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: wagglebee
Pro-life, pro choice matters:

I am neither of the above. I have pro and against views for both approach. A few, not in order of importance, just randomly:

1. As a surgical resident I was rotating through ICU for 3 months. It was an unimaginable horror. Many people were literally tortured, before their body resisted any further "treatment" and finally died. Some of course recovered, but we doctors pretty much knew ahead of time, who has a realistic chance and who doesn't, but under the current views, we must tried even those who we knew has no realistic chance to survive. Eventually I exited surgery and became an ob-gyn doctor (deals mostly with new life, not death), but that was my selfish and personal solution. The only time when I saw a sparkle of true humanity, when they called code in the emergency room, a 92 year old man was brought in, in cardiac arrest, the medical history contained inoperable terminal cancer with metastasis all over his body, and the code team tried to resuscitate him. Finally the team leader arrived and called off the code saying "you people are insane" (referring to the rest of the team). He was right.

2. Do we really know when life begins?

In single cell life forms there is meosis and mitosis, then two cells become. There is no literal end of life or beginning of life. Ever. One life splits into two lives, and while one life ends somewhere along the line, the other cell can live on, and split further. Which is the original? Which is the "later product", there is no way to tell, thus it would be fair to conclude that among single cell beings there is no "beginning of life" as such.

In higher level life forms the same thing happens, only "deferred" in space and time. The sperm, the egg, is halving the genetic product (meiosis equivalent), which fuses later (mitosis equivalent). Neither is exactly the same, but the concept is either the same, or very very similar. In which case there is no "beginning of life" even in higher level beings. The sperm and the egg, is life the same way the single cell beings are life at the stage of meosis.

Before someone would protest, that "yes, but in higher level beings after the fusion of the genetic material there will be one final individual (opposed to two), it is not exactly true either, since identical twinning is possible (splitting of the zygote, or even the conceptus after several cell divisions. Therefore, not even the zygote is an absolute single individual per se.

What did I want to say with all this? That mankind haven't reached the knowledge yet, to know where and when life begins, if there is such a thing at all, and life is not continuous, as it is with single cell beings.

Many other thoughts, but let see whether anyone will respond to this one first.

Gabor
130 posted on 09/15/2006 3:51:32 AM PDT by Casio
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To: Prime Choice

That's hilarious :)


131 posted on 10/16/2006 10:16:14 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The end times are neigh! Repent and die!)
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To: Casio
In which case there is no "beginning of life" even in higher level beings. The sperm and the egg, is life the same way the single cell beings are life at the stage of meosis.

This is nonsense and a testament to the poor state of the academy in todays America. Genetics tells us quite clearly that new human life, a diploid organism, is extant after fertilization completes.

The twinning argument is supercilious nonsense that goes like this. Because the zygote may split into two distinct human organisms it is OK to kill that human life. IOW's two for the price of one justifies killing human life.

The science of genetics is clear, the problem is that college level developmental biology books are rife with ideology stepping all over the science. Your tome is a prime example of that.

132 posted on 10/16/2006 10:34:15 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: flynmudd

Sanctification of human life is an asset to society only as long there is agreement between its members to promote and maintain order, war allows for neglect of the principle as does want and famine.

Singer's biggest "sin" is equating perfection with utility.


133 posted on 10/16/2006 10:40:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: wagglebee
If disabled professors are fair game as well, I'm willing to listen.
134 posted on 10/16/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: VOA

"Peter Singer's mother has Alzheimer's."

I can understand why.


135 posted on 10/16/2006 10:46:41 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: wagglebee
Singer = the Left's version of Fred Phelps.

Oops, I forgot, Phelps is there guy too.
136 posted on 10/16/2006 10:48:04 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Timedrifter
I agree.

He's ethically consistent. There is no difference between a baby one week before birth and a baby one week after birth.

However, as the mother of a handicapped child, I find hiim morally repugnant. I certainly wouldn't mourn his death. He's not much more than a cow to me.

137 posted on 10/16/2006 10:49:27 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug
CRAP! That should mean that I find SANGER morally repugnant. Not my child!

Despite the bad sentence structure, I hope that was understood.

138 posted on 10/16/2006 10:50:25 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug
CRAP! That should mean that I find SANGER morally repugnant. Not my child!

Despite the bad sentence structure, I hope that was understood.

139 posted on 10/16/2006 10:50:31 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: wagglebee

A natural conclusion based on the leftist-feminazi obsession with killing their babies.


140 posted on 10/16/2006 10:55:02 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (PC Kills: PC inevitably leads to loss of property and life.)
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