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Liberals, Islamists Unite against Pope
frontpagemag ^ | September 18, 2006 | Andrew Walden

Posted on 09/17/2006 5:36:34 AM PDT by dennisw

In what has suddenly been made into a highly controversial speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria’s University of Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief in a God whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and the law of non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic belief in a God not bound by anything—including his own words. Benedict further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular humanists who see reason as being completely unbound of God.

In response, both Islamists and secularists have demanded the Pope apologize. He must not. Benedict’s speech is a work of enlightened genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis of the clash of civilizations we now experience as the War on Terror. His analysis also explains the underlying cause of the alliance between the western left and the Islamofascist right. It should be studied carefully by all who seek to defend western civilization.

Islamist reaction focuses on one sentence in the speech. Reaching back to 1391, Benedict quotes Byzantine Emperor Manuel II: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Four days later, according to AP: “Pakistan's legislature unanimously condemned Pope Benedict XVI. Lebanon's top Shiite cleric demanded an apology. And in Turkey, the ruling party likened the pontiff to Hitler and Mussolini and accused him of reviving the mentality of the Crusades.

“Across the Islamic world Friday, Benedict's remarks on Islam and jihad in a speech in Germany unleashed a torrent of rage that many fear could burst into violent protests like those that followed publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.”

Reuters quoted other sources expressing fears for the Pope’s safety and even fear of an attack on Vatican City.

The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power.

“Will to Power” is a key element of Nietzsche ’s philosophy—hence the root of the term, Islamofascist. Moreover the Western “left’ is today guided far more by Nietzsche existentialist thought than by Marxist thought—hence the alliance between the Western “left” and the Islamofascist ‘right’.

Reuters quotes an Indian Muslim leader doing precisely what Manuel II said they would: “Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the chief cleric of New Delhi's historic Jama Masjid, India's largest mosque, extolled Muslims to ‘respond in a manner which forces the Pope to apologize.’” Note they intend to use “force” not reason.

Reuters quotes an unnamed diplomat pointing out the Pope was, “calling a spade a spade”.

The secularist mouthpiece, New York Times,editorializes, “Pope Benedict XVI has insulted Muslims….” This is false. The Pope’s description of the Islamic God as being unbound by reason is not an insult, it is an Islamic article of faith. What Muslims and secularists fear is the Pope’s decision to choose to enter dialogue asserting his belief in Christianity. How dare he not “apologize” for being a Christian? That is the so-called “insult.”

One might “reasonably” ask when will Muslims “apologize” for being Muslim? But they are not bound by reason to the point is lost on them.

Amazingly the Times continues: “Muslim leaders the world over have demanded apologies… For many Muslims, holy war — jihad — is a spiritual struggle, and not a call to violence.” In saying this, the Times implicitly recognizes the Islamists are waging a propaganda jihad against the Pope and by extension against Christianity—and they explicitly endorse and join this jihad. The Times is saying to Islamists, ‘we can join your ‘spiritual’ jihad, but not your violent jihad.

The Times editors are living in a fool’s paradise. The “spiritual” non-violent jihad of propaganda is merely the flip side of the violent jihad. Nowhere is that more clear than in the Islamist reaction to the Pope.

With the Pope scheduled to visit Turkey in November the Islamists are rejecting any apology from Vatican spokespersons and demand to hear from the Pope himself. This would place raging mobs of semi-literate Islamist thugs in the position of forcing the leader of Christendom to bow before them.

In this demand for submission they are joined by the secularist mouthpiece. In its September 16 edition the Times editorializes: “He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology…” The secularists too seek the Pope’s submission. Like the Islamists, the secularists are driven only by their will to power. While the Islamists represent their demented version of God--unrestrained by reason, the secularists represent their demented version of reason--unrestrained by God. They are united by their self-worshipping world view.

It should be noted that the carefully staged “anger’ from the Islamic world does not condemn Benedict’s characterization of Islam as a religion where God’s “will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality…. (The Islamic) God is not bound even by his own word….” This is not seen as an insult. Islam embraces this description. In offering this description of Islam, Benedict refers to the views of leading modern French Islamist R. Arnaldez as discussed in the writings of Professor Theodore Khoury of Munster.

Likewise the secularists express no dismay at the pope’s characterization of a secularist as: “(A) subject (who) then decides, on the basis of his experiences, what he considers tenable in matters of religion, and the subjective ‘conscience’ becomes the sole arbiter of what is ethical.”

Benedict asserts that without reason, or without God, there can be no modern system of morality. He explains, “In this way…ethics and religion lose their power to create a community and become (instead) a completely personal matter.”

Both Islamist and secularist seek to break God and reason apart. Each claims superiority over the Christian West. They believe absolute moral license makes them powerful. As globalization carries the Western tradition of reason throughout the world, both are in decline.

Where the force of reason is defeated, Islamist and secularist will meet in combat, just as Hitler’s fascists broke their pact with the Soviet Union, invading in June, 1941 after the collapse of the allied forces on the western front.

What the Islamists and the New York Times both fear is having to reply to the Pope’s key point, borrowed from the Byzantine Emperor: “‘Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos (word or reason) is contrary to the nature of God,’.… It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures.”

Their fear of reason can only lead t


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PRAYERS FOR THE POPE'S SAFETY FROM THE NORTHERN BAPTIST FLOCK!

5 SOLAS!


21 posted on 09/17/2006 6:03:26 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: dennisw
Makes sense ~ neither Liberals nor Moslems appear able to control their emotions or their sexual behavior without heavy handed application of governmental power.

That they'd find other commonality really isn't surprising.

Oh, yes, almost forgot ~ they both like to kill the innocent.

22 posted on 09/17/2006 6:05:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dennisw

What else will the Pope apologize for? Might as well.


23 posted on 09/17/2006 6:06:05 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: dennisw

What a shock! Libnuts and islamofazzies are united against the Pope? Say it isn't so!

These jerks have been allied since Bush took office, if not all along. Both groups hate America, Americans and freedom and democracy.


24 posted on 09/17/2006 6:06:08 AM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: goresalooza

A lot of Freepers hate him as well, they just don't try to kill him physically, just his character.


25 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:37 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: MrLee
You're still missing what's going on. The Moslems don't care what he said ~ he used certain words. The Pope's subsequent statements continue to be grounded in scholarly logic.

If Moslems are the audience, they are incapable of following it. Besides, they are not allowed to use logic in pursuit of religious or moral truth. The "book was closed" a thousand years ago ~ and they cannot change Sharia law.

A Liberal Moslem is one who wants to "reopen the book" ~ not someone who thinks there's any value to using logic in matters of morals.

The Pope's suggestion they engage in dialogue is absolutely incomprehensible to the other side unless it is understood as an insult to the Prophet.

26 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dennisw
“Across the Islamic world Friday, Benedict's remarks on Islam and jihad in a speech in Germany unleashed a torrent of rage that many fear could burst into violent protests like those that followed publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.”

"Your Honor, the prosecution rests its case."

27 posted on 09/17/2006 6:13:15 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: goresalooza

What really sets them off into a murderous frenzy are Christians and Jews.


28 posted on 09/17/2006 6:13:22 AM PDT by KyHammer (Where's Zarquawi ? ......Blowed up sir!)
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To: dennisw

I am sick to DEATH of these islamic pigs taking "offense" every time they are criticized. And just for the record, even if the Pope didn't mean it the way they took it- it's STILL right. Who the hell do they think they ARE?

Other than slimy, murdering followers of a religion based on the envy and anger of a bastard son, that is...


29 posted on 09/17/2006 6:16:43 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: MarineDad

Boy, ex-Catholic, it must have taken a real big pair of your own to come up with that insult.

You left our Church.

So be it.

May I suggest that instead of focusing on what (you think) the Pope may or may not lack, how about looking at YOUR NEWFOUND Protestant co-religionists:

They may not have any celibacy vows, but there's no evidence of any courageous PAIRS among that crowd!

We've spent FORTY YEARS or more signing meaningless ecumenical agreements with YOUR NEWFOUND Protestant co-religionists but have ANY OF THEM had the PAIRS necessary to stand up and speak out?

. . . . cue the crickets!


30 posted on 09/17/2006 6:17:07 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: KyHammer

Or, in fact, each other. Moslems without knowledge that either Christians or Jews existed (outside the pages of the Koran) have been known to break into spontaneous riot and murder those believed to be lacking in faith.


31 posted on 09/17/2006 6:17:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TaxachusettsMan
No Catholic has ever signed an ecumenical agreement with any church to which I've ever belonged.

And, Fur Shur, we're much more Protestant than all the others.

32 posted on 09/17/2006 6:19:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MrLee
You are not reading it wrong by our western standards, but the islmics are not satisfied. Reason being, it was said as an appeasement. Read the entire context of the Pope's statement.

Pastoral Visit which I recently made to Bavaria was a deep spiritual experience, bringing together personal memories linked to places well known to me and pastoral initiatives towards an effective proclamation of the Gospel for today. I thank God for the interior joy which he made possible, and I am also grateful to all those who worked hard for the success of this Pastoral Visit. As is the custom, I will speak more of this during next Wednesday’s General Audience. At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words. I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect.

33 posted on 09/17/2006 6:19:55 AM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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The Pope quoted 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus as saying "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." I find it quite accuate even in today's world. So I would have to ask what has the islamic/muslim world brought to the table of humanity? After oil, the Middle East's most prominent export has been terrorism.


34 posted on 09/17/2006 6:20:54 AM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: muawiyah; Molly Pitcher; AFPhys; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul

You're so right!


35 posted on 09/17/2006 6:26:00 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: muawiyah

Well, then, "Protestant" comes from the Latin "protestor" which does not mean protest (contrary to popular belief) but "I bear witness."

Have your leaders "borne witness" to truth and justice by speaking up in defense of someone who has been slandered by anti-Christian mobs?


36 posted on 09/17/2006 6:26:07 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: dennisw
While the Islamists represent their demented version of God--unrestrained by reason, the secularists represent their demented version of reason--unrestrained by God.

Sums it up nicely!

Great article! Thanks for posting.

37 posted on 09/17/2006 6:26:12 AM PDT by maryz
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To: MarineDad
Unfortunately, he seems to have lost them rather quickly...

I disagree, but in any case don't speak too soon. I'll bet this is merely the opening volley.

38 posted on 09/17/2006 6:27:59 AM PDT by maryz
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To: muawiyah
"Moslems without knowledge that either Christians or Jews existed (outside the pages of the Koran) have been known to break into spontaneous riot and murder those believed to be lacking in faith."


Is it just coincidence, this kinda sounds like these folks are possessed?
39 posted on 09/17/2006 6:28:03 AM PDT by KyHammer (Where's Zarquawi ? ......Blowed up sir!)
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To: maryz

That line is a real zinger!


40 posted on 09/17/2006 6:30:49 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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