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Artificial Reproduction a “Grave Moral Evil” Says Archbishop Burke
Life Site News ^ | 10.06.06 | Hilary White

Posted on 10/09/2006 7:25:37 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Petronski
Considering how many relative I lost to the Nazis (one of whom I am, in part named after) I'll just have to take offense and move on.

I will also stand by my claim that to define a human, created "in God's image," merely by physical existence is at the very least materialistic, demeaning to God, and potentially on the slippery slope to atheism. For if a human is defined by physical existence, what need is there to assume the existence of soul?

41 posted on 10/09/2006 10:06:44 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

I'm saying the nervous system is the interface between the person -- the soul -- and the machine -- the body.>>>

Our humanity begins at conception.

THE CODE FOR HUMAN LIFE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1059933/posts


42 posted on 10/09/2006 10:08:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Considering how many relative I lost to the Nazis (one of whom I am, in part named after) I'll just have to take offense and move on.

That's the sad and brutal irony of your position.

I will also stand by my claim that to define a human, created "in God's image," merely by physical existence is at the very least materialistic, demeaning to God, and potentially on the slippery slope to atheism.

So stop doing it.

43 posted on 10/09/2006 10:08:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

You can't get more embryos than eggs.


44 posted on 10/09/2006 10:11:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: blowfish
Were all embryos formed in that process placed into the mother's uterus to have a chance at living? Or at most, saved for future implantations?
45 posted on 10/09/2006 10:13:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: gcruse

"And you have no right to stop someone from having a baby by any means they can if that is their wish."

Does that include killing the mother and ripping her baby from her womb? Cause that will get you a child too.

There are immoral means to having a child.


46 posted on 10/09/2006 10:44:18 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

"So... you mean the state can step in and force an abortion if they decide you shouldn't have a baby?"

Ummm...I don't get the comment. All I am saying is that no one has a right to another human being, that's called slavery and we fought a war over it and the issue has been laid to rest. Parents have a duty to care for their children, which would include protecting them from abortion.

A baby is its own unique person. I don't deserve my children, I don't have a right to them. I have a duty to them. But nothing in me gives me the right to have them. They are a gift, they were never owed to me.


47 posted on 10/09/2006 10:48:06 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Coleus

Is it really wise for the Church to be in effect trying to limit the number of Christian babies born, as the civilized world faces a "demographic bomb" in the form of a high Muslim birth rate?


48 posted on 10/09/2006 10:57:25 PM PDT by montag813
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To: gcruse

Any means?


49 posted on 10/09/2006 11:09:01 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: ZULU
I know what you mean....but, that's the beauty of being human....one man's moral dilemma is another man's right. Religion has nothing to do with nation states....people use religion to support their right, moral or otherwise.
50 posted on 10/09/2006 11:11:33 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: montag813

Babies are born Christian? Really?


51 posted on 10/09/2006 11:12:22 PM PDT by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: USMMA_83
Babies are born Christian? Really?

(groans)

52 posted on 10/09/2006 11:14:16 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

in effect


53 posted on 10/09/2006 11:23:44 PM PDT by perfect stranger (Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass). "Getting bombed has always struck me as the better option.")
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To: mockingbyrd

"There are immoral means to having a child"

Uh, killing someone and ripping out a baby isn't "having" a child, it's moralizing hysteria.


54 posted on 10/10/2006 7:21:27 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: D-fendr

Any means of having a child, much as any airplane landing you can walk away from, is a good one.


55 posted on 10/10/2006 7:22:40 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, there were no embryos collected in the procedure we undertook, but I doubt the good Archbishop (and others) would have allowed even the relatively minor process we went through. Must Avoid the Slippery Slope, after all...


56 posted on 10/10/2006 8:39:19 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: Coleus

bump


57 posted on 10/10/2006 8:40:19 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: gcruse
Any means of having a child…

How about rape? How about murder to harvest an egg or sperm? How about a cloning procedure that killed the donor?

58 posted on 10/10/2006 10:16:57 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

How about getting back onto your thorazine? How couples have children is none of your business.


59 posted on 10/10/2006 10:28:11 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: gcruse; D-fendr
How couples have children is none of your business. >>>
Couples Cull Embryos to Halt Heritage of Cancer

60 posted on 10/10/2006 12:15:07 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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