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Foley's Fall Spotlights Growing 'Velvet Mafia' Influence in GOP
Agape Press ^ | 10/9/6 | Fred Jackson and Bill Fancher

Posted on 10/10/2006 7:34:47 AM PDT by ZGuy

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To: Wuli
Foley voters like you are part of the problem.

Endorse "good" gays like Jim Kolbe and Mark Foley and what do you get? One calling for gay marriage and one resigning in disgrace.

Those people are cancers in the GOP and end up doing far, far more harm than good.

61 posted on 10/10/2006 10:28:02 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: tsomer
If you want to say that, fine. It's your right. I don't agree. I have several gay friends who live quiet, productive and decent lives, who I would stake my life on if necessary.

I know of numerous people, with numerous kinds of obsessions, mental troubles, and ultimately harmful moral failings, whom I would stake my life on, if necessary. And we all have rights, but that doesn't make wrong right.

'Nuff said about that. The point is, if anyone fails to vote or wastes their vote on some third party spoiler (excepting Lieberman) and the result is the loss of the Republican House majority, our President will likely be impeached.

Whether the Pelosi mob would want to embarrass themselves in that way or just in others, it would be a harmful step backward. Every law, every judicial appointment, etc. matters.

62 posted on 10/10/2006 10:33:30 AM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Wuli
there is little factual support for the idea that some "velvet mafia" in the GOP is running its agenda.

There is an extensive network of gay Republican high level staff members, something that, as the article points out, has received very, very little attention before now.

There is very, very little known publicly about what these people are or are not pushing or influencing. Just because something isn't proven doesn't make it untrue.

Clearly it's a danger that we may have a group of Log Cabin subversives trying to 'turn' the GOP from within.

63 posted on 10/10/2006 10:35:47 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: JohnnyZ

I did not "vote" for Foley or Kolbe.

But, you go ahead and leave the GOP over the issue. It will survive and you will have lost the best political home you have ever had.


64 posted on 10/10/2006 10:38:33 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: ichabod1
If Westboro were legitimate they would be protesting gay pride events or gay bars. They are nothing more than tools of the Left to make the Right look bad. Phelps backed Gore in the late '80s or early '90s.
65 posted on 10/10/2006 10:38:41 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: Tokra
The difference is that part A is designed for fit with part B; for a REASON.

Square pegs in round holes provide some questions to be raised even for simple conclusions.

To compare sex deviates to socially adjusted "normal" folks is ludicrous....irrational justification for queers that common sense cannot accept does not make one a "bigot", but rather a realist.

66 posted on 10/10/2006 10:39:44 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: napscoordinator
Let's say the Republicans have 500 gay Floridians.

...and 2,000,000 conservative Christians.

Don't these folks realize how split the country is. We are practically 50-50.

And we cannot afford to piss off the mainstream of the party -- and, if you look at the marriage referendums, the mainstream of the voting public -- by playing footsie with gay rights activists.

67 posted on 10/10/2006 10:41:11 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Alter Kaker
I have no definite answer but it happened in the Old Testament all the time. When Israel defied God, He sent their enemies to kick their ass. If we don't fight back on a physical and spiritual basis we will get our butts kicked too.
68 posted on 10/10/2006 10:43:59 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: tsomer; unspun
If you want to say that, fine. It's your right. I don't agree. I have several gay friends who live quiet, productive and decent lives, who I would stake my life on if necessary.

It's ironic that that's exactly what they said about Foley.

He abused our trust! The Mark Foley I knew was upstanding etc etc, this is a Mark Foley I never knew ....

69 posted on 10/10/2006 10:45:13 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: stevio
I have no definite answer but it happened in the Old Testament all the time.

Well, what do you think? Is God behind Al Qaeda?

70 posted on 10/10/2006 10:46:26 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Wuli
But, you go ahead and leave the GOP over the issue.

Wuli, stop making a fool of yourself. Go quote where I said I was leaving the GOP, or shut up.

71 posted on 10/10/2006 10:46:55 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Alter Kaker
Well, what do you think? Is God behind Al Qaeda?

Don't be such a troll.

Was God behind Nebuchadnezzar?

That's the theoretical parallel being drawn.

72 posted on 10/10/2006 10:50:02 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Alter Kaker
What are you trying to bait me into? Maybe to you, you don't see accepting homosexuality as the problem that is. I've got 4 small children, they are the future in a society that has given up it's moral compass. I was originally referring to the fact that right wing talk show hosts won't even mention the problem. But I'll admit I believe a book that has thousands of years of confirmed history in it as opposed to an Ivy League psychologist.
73 posted on 10/10/2006 11:02:48 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: JohnnyZ

"There is an extensive network of gay Republican high level staff members, something that, as the article points out, has received very, very little attention before now."

No. The article does not identify any "extensive network of gay Republican high level staff members". It says there gays who "have held crucial staff positions for decades" [how many???, who decides what is a "crucial" position and who is a "crucial" member of Congress?? The New York Slimes??]

The line "influential role homosexuals have within the Republican party" is an editorial line written by the writers, and yet not substantiated by any evidence they produce, particularly when the intent of that line wants to imply that the "influential role" relates to a homosexual agenda.

The authors might have considered the source for their perception - "news" reports from The New York Times.

When the New York Slimes says: "They have played decisive roles in passing legislation, running campaigns and advancing careers," does the Times tell us, or does Agape even ask: "what legislation", "whose campaigns", "whose careers".

Does the Slimes tell us or does Agape ask the Slimes to demonstrate just where do we see GOP advance of "legislation", "campaigns" and "careers" that, demonstrate advancement of an agenda by said homosexuals. No.

The Times inserts an innuendo and then does nothing to back up where we can see evidence of it, and Agape simply takes The New York Times line, intended to slime the GOP and goes with it; as if The New York Times editorial opinion can be taken at face value.

The New York Slimes has been an apendage of the political left for many decades. The open and stated intent of the founders of CREW and Mike Rogers, the people behind "outing" Foley at this time, is an 11th hour political act to get social conservatives to leave the GOP this November, so that the Dims and the left would get Congressional Majorities.

Agape Press and you want to be their patsies. Go ahead.


74 posted on 10/10/2006 11:07:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: JohnnyZ

And we cannot afford to piss off the mainstream of the party -- and, if you look at the marriage referendums, the mainstream of the voting public -- by playing footsie with gay rights activists.


I 100 percent agree with you that we should NOT cater to the gay right activists, but not kick them either. Well the activists yes. The Log Cabin Republicans who seem reasonable due to them being fiscal Republicans No.


75 posted on 10/10/2006 11:10:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: longtermmemmory
GOP Homos = bad

Dem Homos = OK

76 posted on 10/10/2006 11:23:34 AM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ .05ยข a can.)
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To: yellowdoghunter; ZGuy; neverdem
The GODFATHER of the GOP's Velvet Mafia:


77 posted on 10/10/2006 11:25:44 AM PDT by Clemenza (Lets Go Mets!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

actually only 19 percent of registered voters are "core democrat voters" while 35% or so are core republicans.

The balance is the "mushy middle" but they are the security moms and the angry men who don't vote for homsoexuals and don't vote for increasing taxes.

If you want an accurate picture look at the actuall passage rates of the marriage amendments.


78 posted on 10/10/2006 12:14:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Clemenza
LOL! Good grief! That is the last thing the GOP needs.

Off topic but I must contest your tag line.....no way are my St.Louis Cardinals losing....LOL!!!!! All in good fun, I can't wait for the games.

79 posted on 10/10/2006 12:21:27 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Neither can I. I am happy, btw, that I will not have to lose my lunch like I did in the 80s, being treated to the ugly mugs of such players as Vince Coleman and Willie McGee.


80 posted on 10/10/2006 12:22:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lets Go Mets!!!)
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