Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
Young earth creationist lecturing us on science ===> Placemarker <===
Feel free to produce said truck here. I am all eyes.
They teach it like the gospel truth, rather than scientific theory. Thats my only objection.
Yes, like they teach that silly "Gravity" thing -- the Theory not the experience. Do you also object to chemistry and physics?
I see you have gone from sophomoric drunken philosophy to flat-out dis- and mis-information.
Well, we all have to evolve, I suppose.
How so? The theory is supported by the evidence.
nayway, as I said, I'm quite willing to entertain the idea of a Divine input, but that doesn't mean that it's the Hebrew God as the source of that input. Could be Brahmah, or Isis for that matter. It worries me that ID can be a mask for Biblical fundmentalism.
Good thing they now will know that angels hold airplanes aloft and that using this "science" thing is evil EVIL, I tell you.
"Nehemiah Scudder, call on Line One."
A transparent mask. It is like a glass Trojan Horse.
In view of the text of our Constitution it is an abomination to expect the theory of evolution to enjoy an exclusive hearing by law in public schools, regardless of any further implications.
But the majority of us who UNDERSTAND science and are Christian call on the Poles to reject anti-scientism as a path to destruction. The USA can withstand a generation of willful ignorance and purposeful dumbing-down -- Poland cannot.
The quibble I have about "Divine input" is that in order for it to be seen as a valid part of how nature behaves and scientific, there must be some understanding of how and where it happened. Eventually, it has to be measureable.
It is insufficient to wave hands and say God did it. One must be able to say, "ah it happened here at this time, and all the evidence points to it."
The burden for the creationists/IDists is that "God did it" can be used by the uneducated any time they like to "explain" anything they don't understand. Since GDI explains everything, it explains nothing.
Don't read too much into this statement. It's an outburst by a member of a fringe fundamentalist party that the ruling party stupidly allowed into the governing coalition in order to get a majority. They're paying the price now.
Oh, I see you ARE still espousing drunken sophomoric philosophy.
*whew* You have me worried.
Good to know.
And I hope you see your words in my tag :)
So you believe all life came from single cell via undirected means and that this has been established beyond all argument?
What is your objection to inferring in this context?
It seems to me that you would object to historians believing anything. For instance, there is not a human alive with "direct observation" of Julius Caesar. Do you therefore argue that the prior existence of Caesar is a lie?
Although many may label me as a "young earth creationist" I am at heart a "big earth creationist."
One variation of this flawed thinking is the argument that the validity of a proposition is to be judged by its effect on society. Interestingly, this was a favorite argument of communist theoreticians.
"They are a very small but very vocal minority.
Thank God they are few in numbers.
I will admit, though, that they're very fanatical in that they redouble their efforts and give solidity to their "theory" when they see it falling apart with each passing day.
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