Posted on 10/20/2006 7:08:55 AM PDT by NYer
Oh great now the Libs on our SC will use this ruling as precedence
This is about intimidation, making an example. It's not about a compelling state interest in this particular instance.
This is also the goal of those who oppose Hone Schooling in California. Which is becoming very unfriendly to HS.
Don't be ridiculous, Smith predates Marx by over 70 years. Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln were also in favor of public education, but that doesn't make them Marxists either. It wasn't until the 20th century when public education had become widespread that it was discovered to be untenable for actual education and solely a tool for indoctrination. Once again, read Bukharin. Anyone who supports government-run schools, especially forced government schooling, is a Marxist on that topic, since the only purpose for government schools is to indoctrinate children and young adults into socialism. And yes, that includes Rhenquist and Scalia on that topic.
One cannot favor public education as a reality and still support home schooling. By its very nature, public education must be forced and ubiquitous. Government-run schools and home schools are mutually exclusive. However, since so many people still believe the dichotomy can exist, the purveyors of government indoctrination employ the subtle agit-prop that home-schooled children can be and sometimes are less educated and less "socialized" than their government indoctrinated peers. People who wish to continue to support the impossible dichotomy pick this propaganda up and mindlessly repeat it.
There is no objective, empirical evidence proving that home schooled children are any less educated or any more poorly socially adapted. Indeed, there is ample evidence to show that across three standard deviations, home schooled children are better educated for their ages and as a whole and are better behaved in social settings. Your wife's anecdotes do not constitute evidence of anything other than simple bias.
You know if you had read the whole thread I posted to the user "sittnick" you would have seen what my wife really thought. She didn't think that at all... as a matter of fact just the opposite. Oh I forgot... once you have it in your head that someone is making a certain claim there is no convincing you that you are wrong. You are determined to prove me and now my wife are Marxists even though I clarified in other posts I was not trying to denigrate home schooling. Know what... it seems to me you really are just looking for someone to yell at and I posted something that remotely gave you an excuse to do so.
Also I am well aware that Smith predates Marx. My point was to show how ludicrous your question was: "Do you believe education is a proper function of government? If your answer is even conditionally yes, then with regard to that issue, at least, you are a Marxist."
Know what... let's end this here right now. People on Free Republic lately seem to be so angry that anything remotely resembling criticism turns them into rabid animals. I tried to clarify my original post and since you are unwilling to accept that I don't really feel the need to discuss this issue further.
As a matter of fact I did read the whole thread, especially the part where you accused sittnick of having a chip on his shoulder as well. That's an interesting technique you have for discourse, there. The wounded victim act might get you out of a rhetorical tight spot, but it certainly doesn't do your position much good.
I think your post was honest and you stated a bias you thought everyone would share. I'm not interested in this any more either because one of two things is true: you will soothe your ego with excuses about thin-skinned Freepers or you will think about the responses you got and learn something from them. I'm betting on the latter. Have a great weekend.
My "chip on the shoulder remark" wasn't meant as a tactic in anything. Even "sitnick" agreed that on this particular topic he/she has a chip on his shoulder and he/she explained why.
Whatever...
I just read 'my little friend' and guessed it was one of your provoking anti german postings again.
Are you willing to write something that we, who share a style of civilized discussion might read ? Then rephrase please.
Noone would argue that parents are the most important teachers of their children.
Since school is only a half day and week days occupation they still keep their children for the most times. The schools are in contact with the parents (it least they should be) and are not in opposition to them.
To have public schools that are under the eyes of many parents and the survey of the churches, the state and independent pedagogic consultancies grants a good quality of education. You wouldn't want your children to eat something that wasn't checked either.
Preventing indoctrination by keeping education out of the sight of society is a strange concept in my opinion.
The later point of yours is a good point, because the answer is - noone got this right until today.
it iss not a right it iss a DOOTY! JAWOHL!
They would certainly keep their children form a publicaly and open disputed and discussed form of education.
Why would indoctrination be any easier in a public ond open form of school then in the cellars of some private entities ?
Conservative Americans believe people should have the freedom of choice. We also see PLENTY of socialist indoctrination in our public schools that goes against our moral and family values. Your argument that "because it is in public it cannot happen" falls flat. The schools set up governing bodies called school boards, and between the boards making decisions, the teachers unions wielding power, and individual teachers spreading propaganda in their classrooms, socialist indoctrination is a daily business. I was a public school teacher, and I saw it every single day. That is why 2 million or more American children are now home-schooled and the number is rising all the time.
Looks like some of the nazis are still around.
Little should be appropriate, you are 14 or so right?
Your posting is appealing because you're not saying that homeschooling is a perfect thing but may backfire in some cases.
I understand that you put the freedom of the individual on top priotrity and you want to assure that you have as less state as possible.
I know about religious madrasses and I would see a possibility of homeschooling as a weak point in legislation to put children there INSTEAD of sending them to school.
My argumentation might fall flat in america and I honour your experience.
But we are talking about germany - and here teachers are officers that stand under an oath inding them to our constitution.
Every school book is examined by a committe consisting of teachers, representants from churches, family organisations and other groups before it is allowed to be used in schools.
The access to the job of a teacher is only graned if you are able to proove that you are not an extremist.
As an example extreme left wingers that tried to get employed in german schools during the 60s and 70s were excluded from office.
Homeschooling as opposed to the german teaching officer does not stand under control of the public - therefore indoctrination is certainly a lot easier.
You wouldn't want your children to eat something that has not been controlled by an organisation that stands in the bright light of the public - why would anybody want to have them taugth at home ?
Homeschooling is only appropriate in rural areas - or if the offered public education would just not be good enough as a base.
We can exclude both for germany. (Until today)
What do you expect for a group of people who ranted at the U.S. to stop using ball bearing ammuniton as being "uncivilized" while, at the same time, using Phosgene Gas against the Allies in WWI.
One of the DUMB myths believed by "suburbanites" in Nazi Jersey: "Oh, the schools in Newark are bad, but in my town they are 'blue ribbon!'
Most public schools in suburban areas of this state are mediocre at best, with dumbed down curriculum geared toward the lowest common denominator. When you try to be all things to all people, you ultimately must settle for the flaccid, middle course.
Public schools are nothing but socialism for the middle class. Hopefully, when Corzine gets the schools consolidated on a county level (which, if he wasn't in charge, would mean lower property taxes!), NJ parents would do the right thing and abandon the Socialist Day Care Centers en masse.
yawn... tell me news.
it's a normal thing for teachers to be a bit more on the left side. If a society can't counter that and convince a good percentage of grown ups otherwise - it would be poor.
I'm living in a democracy - I don't need to school my children in the cellar and protect them from people that don't share my favorite ideology - a little bit more self esteem please !
Do we really need to protect our children from multplie attitudes and lifestyles - do you really want to live in a dictatorship ?
Is the concept of conservativism , vigilance and economic deregulation really so week, that we cannot have the one or other lefty as a teacher ?
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