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How Barack's winning the evangelicals
American Thinker ^ | 12/29/06 | Nicole Russell

Posted on 12/29/2006 7:14:59 AM PST by teddyballgame

Like a dutiful dancing partner, Senator Barack Obama has begun courting the evangelical right, and some are already waltzing along in perfect time.

With his attendance at Rick Warren‘s church, Saddleback Valley Community, a mega-church in California for a large conference about AIDS, Obama has begun to align himself with an important base of voters to gain what conservatives lost this last year. Already lauded by some prominent evangelical publications for his outstanding "Christian faith" and a person Rick Warren called a "good friend" and a someone he'd like to work with on important issues, Obama is in perfect position, if he can keep the momentum, to use an unusual strategy for political gain.

Obama has become well-known not only for his charisma and sudden rise to fame in the last few months, but for his outspoken Christian faith to which he refers regularly.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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To: mariabush
The facts are that most REAL EVANGEICALS are highly educated people...

Luk owt 4 the speling poleese. ;-)

101 posted on 12/29/2006 10:04:17 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: evad

A lot of things are being called "Christian" these days. Down is becoming up, wrong is becoming right. Eventually most people won't even know the difference.


102 posted on 12/29/2006 10:06:38 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: raybbr

There are lots of judges besides those in the Supreme Court. And yes, there is no guarantee how the USSC will vote. That's why it is just as important for Federal District Court and Apellate Court judges to be appointed by a pro-life President. There is no need for a President to be an activist pro-life candidate. It is more important to elect pro-life congresspersons in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, backed up with pro-life strict Constitutionalist judges. There is no room for a pro-abortion President in the Republican party, that is why so many of us resist Rudy Giuliani and his ilk.


103 posted on 12/29/2006 10:08:33 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: raybbr

There are lots of judges besides those in the Supreme Court. And yes, there is no guarantee how the USSC will vote. That's why it is just as important for Federal District Court and Apellate Court judges to be appointed by a pro-life President. There is no need for a President to be an activist pro-life candidate. It is more important to elect pro-life congresspersons in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, backed up with pro-life strict Constitutionalist judges.

There is no room for a pro-abortion President in the Republican party, that is why so many of us resist Rudy Giuliani and his ilk.


104 posted on 12/29/2006 10:08:53 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Touche!


105 posted on 12/29/2006 10:09:16 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: L98Fiero

I am not too worried.

Why? He's peaking too early. He'll crash and burn.


106 posted on 12/29/2006 10:11:01 AM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: mariabush


Matthew 24

23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.


107 posted on 12/29/2006 10:12:02 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Sue Perkick
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Rick Warren is a false preheat. I think that fame, fortune and success have taken their toll. Somewhere along the the way he has lost his walk with the Holy Spirit.

Anyone that can build a So. Baptist church of any size, let alone, a mega church in So. Calif. has to have had the help of the Lord along the way.
108 posted on 12/29/2006 10:18:27 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: mariabush

correction, fingers were too fast. preheat=prophet.


109 posted on 12/29/2006 10:19:49 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Gamecock

PING!


110 posted on 12/29/2006 10:20:10 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: hunter112
My dream scenario is that Hillary limps into the Rat convention with less than a majority, and has to stomp all over the other also-rans for a victory on, say, the fifth ballot. The black supporters of Obama refuse to work for her, or even vote for her in November, after what she did to their homeboy.

A similar situation happened in Maryland and Steele still lost.

111 posted on 12/29/2006 10:24:03 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: mariabush

Part of the point was that it IS possible for people to be mislead. The ones involved in trickery are good. Very good. We have to take heed what we hear. I don't consider Warren to be a prophet, but a teacher. And I do consider him to be a false one.

I grew up in the south & the Southern Baptist church ain't what it used to be.


112 posted on 12/29/2006 10:34:57 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: 3AngelaD

>Who is managing this guy? There has to be someone in the background calling shots.<

Untried so unproven, this very young man with stars in his eyes and a boyish grin. The same gang that has been managing presidents for at least 100 years is still pulling the strings. This guy is an appealing puppet dancing to their evil tune. Being introduced to the church by a false prophet may induce some Christians to fall in line, but there will always be those. Let us pray that most don't buy Warren's "feel good" approach.


113 posted on 12/29/2006 10:36:40 AM PST by Paperdoll
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To: Manic_Episode
The American Thinker and the World Net Daily (Farah)have one thing in common. They are fierce partisans for the State of Israel.

Note this about the American Thinker from their "about" section: There is no limit to the topics appearing on American Thinker. National security in all its dimensions, strategic, economic, diplomatic, and military is emphasized. The right to exist and the survival of the State of Israel are of great importance to us. Business, science, technology, medicine, management, and economics in their practical and ethical dimensions are also emphasized, as is the state of American culture"

What Pastor Warren's real sin was he went to Syria and made some perfunctory positive remarks about the regime full well knowing the Christians from Iraq have found sanctuary in Syria. Admittedly, Syria and Assad are not open minded and tolerant but they have give sanctuary of a sort.

Ditto for Obama. With the Syria thing above as well as other matters it is apparent for the fierce Israeli partisans on this and other Web Sites will fight tooth and nail to keep the Evangelicals in the fold.

The problem for the Israeli Bots is 80% of the nonobservant Jews vote RAT and one can not turn around without some nonobservant suing some little town or city for having a creche' in the town square.

The Israeli BOTs IMHO are about to face a come uppance. Wanting Israel to succeed does not mean we have to hate either Muslims or Arabs. Further, there is increasing concern about the anti-religious efforts of nonobservant Jews--richos especially including Soros on down. We know who yor are!

The Evangelicals have been loyal but may, I say only may, be drifting off and for good reasons.

114 posted on 12/29/2006 10:41:31 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: kcbc2001
Put up a pro-abort with a pro-lifer, the pro-lifer's going to win....

In light of the fact that Obama absolutely trounced Alan Keyes with 70% of the vote compared to Keyes laughable 27%, your statement borders on the absurd.

115 posted on 12/29/2006 10:42:28 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: mariabush

"You don't know anything about real Evangelicals. They would never vote for a Democrat of any color."

Black Evangelicals and fundemntalists do vote for Dem's very commonly. Some of thm don't but nost of them do.


116 posted on 12/29/2006 10:51:25 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: mariabush

"You don't know anything about real Evangelicals. They would never vote for a Democrat of any color."

Black Evangelicals and fundemntalists do vote for Dem's very commonly. Some of thm don't but nost of them do.


117 posted on 12/29/2006 10:51:25 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: teddyballgame
Didn't Rick Warren go to either Syria or Iran not too long ago and talk to their leaders? Maybe I dreamt it?

Carolyn

118 posted on 12/29/2006 10:53:23 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: MizSterious
>>If this country buys into this scam, the country gets what it deserves.<<

I hate to break it to you, but this statement has already played out. Our country is already like the guy who jumped off a 30 story building and at the 15th floor a guy yells out a window, "How's it going?". To which the jumper replies, "So far, so good."

If my faith lied in the US and it's future, I would be depressed to the point of psychosis. Fortunately, my faith lies in someone far greater. After all, countries come and go.
119 posted on 12/29/2006 10:58:23 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: teddyballgame; aculeus; Senator Bedfellow; Billthedrill; AnAmericanMother
Obama has become well-known not only for his charisma and sudden rise to fame . . .

How does that go? Something like, “A celebrity is someone famous for being well known.”

120 posted on 12/29/2006 10:59:27 AM PST by dighton
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To: CDHart

Syria


121 posted on 12/29/2006 11:00:30 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: mariabush

Prophet to 450 degrees. ;-)


122 posted on 12/29/2006 11:08:43 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: CDHart

Yes, he went. When he returned, he denied he shot any film while in Syria. See this and decide for yourself. The film shot in Syria is included in the 9 minute+ clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9RRJm6Qvw


123 posted on 12/29/2006 11:11:25 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Now perhaps folks will understand why Rick Warren's embrace of Obama is so detrimental to life issues. Apparently, Warren lacks Chrisitan discernment.


124 posted on 12/29/2006 11:14:48 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Rick's new book "The Purpose Driven Profit".


125 posted on 12/29/2006 11:17:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (I believe in Jesus Christ, the reason for the season.)
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To: TommyDale

Okay!


126 posted on 12/29/2006 11:17:32 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Sue Perkick

It is true, but so sad!


127 posted on 12/29/2006 11:19:05 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: TommyDale
Thanks - I'll have to wait until I get home but will check it out.

Carolyn

128 posted on 12/29/2006 11:19:36 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Yeah, Sam Brownback was there...I saw an interview with him, Warren, and Obama, I think on Fox News. For Brownback to be at a church was not a story, he has been a darling of the social conservatives...but Obama..THAT was a story.


129 posted on 12/29/2006 11:21:41 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: RockinRight

Agreed he will crash and burn...after Hillary shoots him out of the sky. She is using Obama as a straw man, to keep money and publicity from flowing to Edwards and Gore, at least one of whom could give her a serious challenge in the primary.

Once this is safely a two-person race, Barrack will look like a porcupine with all the knives stuck in his back (and as a bonus, if Hillary paints him as a "religion of peace" sympathizer, she can make herself look almost tough on national security).


130 posted on 12/29/2006 11:23:23 AM PST by Schuck
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To: teddyballgame
How Barack's winning the evangelicals

He is not winning this evangelical.

131 posted on 12/29/2006 11:32:15 AM PST by Mark17
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To: darkwing104

Hey! I already own that bridge...


132 posted on 12/29/2006 11:34:45 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yep, you're absolutely right. I worked at a private university for many years and even most of the chaplains there were pretty left leaning. One of them insisted on joining our Bible Study at lunchtime to be sure we didn't teach any radical stuff. The Philosophy and Religion Department had a couple of good Christians but not many. And they're teaching Old and New Testament THEIR way. Sad. I was also peace studies secretary so I know of which I speak (smile).


133 posted on 12/29/2006 11:41:46 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Who is managing this guy? There has to be someone in the background calling shots.

I'd like to know who's running Warren. It is inconceivable to me that he has not been "groomed"; I'd like to know who "managed" this guy, to slipstream him into sudden position of "official" christian (note lower case) of the USA. Please note that he is currently sponsored by "Rupert Murdoch and the U.S. Defense Department" [emphasis added]

We live in very frightening times. We've got the "official", um, "minister of religion" preaching what amounts to "another" gospel -- one that features "world peace", once we all follow the rules. We have "a man for all seasons" -- half muslim/half christian -- ready to bring us ALL into "unity", kicking and screaming -- and a populace that is sufficiently hypnotized that IMO they will elect him to office.

God have mercy...

134 posted on 12/29/2006 11:46:23 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: teddyballgame
"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."
               - Dante (1265-1321)

Rick Warren: rick@pastors.com

135 posted on 12/29/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by Verax (""Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: KsSunflower

WHY was Barak HUSSEIN Obama invited there in the first place?


136 posted on 12/29/2006 11:53:31 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Don Joe

I'm just glad someone else sees it.


137 posted on 12/29/2006 11:59:07 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
It is not just abortion. O-Bomb-Uh is an across-the-board hardcore Lefty. "Can't they see through this guy?"

In a word, no.

Christians have been so thoroughly indoctrinated with "cheap grace" that they vote, en masse for the likes of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. No great leap to vote for "such a swell guy" as B. Hussein Obama.

Unless the GOP rents a clue -- and puts its standard primogeniture program on hold for a cycle -- Hussein IS going to be the next president.

BTW, I'm not expecting that to happen. Just as they could not stop themselves from pitting Bob "viagra" Dole against Bill Clinton (talk about throwing meat to the lions!), they won't break out of the mould this time either.

You may not like it, I certainly don't like it, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend -- or even "hope" -- for something that just ain't gonna happen.

Fasten your seatbelts, and settle in for the long haul, it's gonna be a real nasty ride from here on out, starting with the new legislature, already celebrated by the current president because it's going to let him have his illegal alien amnesty. It's all downhill from there...

What a sad, frightening world we're passing on to our children.

138 posted on 12/29/2006 12:00:47 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Ingtar
More and more of the Evangelicals, especially in blue states, are falling for Aids, poverty, and global warming as the top issues they should be concerned with. Those are the ones that he appeals to. Some of the leaders have even pushed being against the reconstruction in Iraq as the "Christian" thing to do. I cannot help but think this had some effect in 2006.

The left is doing today to the church what it did yesterday to the state -- quietly infiltrate, and then, change from within.

It's too late to do anything about it. By the time the symptoms appear, it's already past the point of no return.

139 posted on 12/29/2006 12:02:54 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Sue Perkick
I'm just glad someone else sees it.

In the land of the blind, the one-eye'd man will generally get his eye poked out (right before he's burned at the stake).

"Troublemakers" are NOT tolerated -- especially when they oppose "the man of 'peace', in these troubled times of ours."

I could swear I read this stuff in a book some time. The plot is so familiar...

140 posted on 12/29/2006 12:10:04 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: new yorker 77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9RRJm6Qvw

Hear Rick Warren minimize their differences and then say "we don't minimize our differences" and also the Syria video which doesn't exist.


141 posted on 12/29/2006 12:10:46 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Don Joe; Sue Perkick

good post. I had never heard the 'land of the blind' quote before... it sounds like I've heard something close to that but not quite that way. It's a good one!


142 posted on 12/29/2006 12:12:51 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Ingtar; Don Joe
More and more of the Evangelicals, especially in blue states, are falling for Aids, poverty, and global warming as the top issues they should be concerned with. Those are the ones that he appeals to.

It's that old social gospel garbage. However Rick is adamant (has repeated in numerous appearances lately) that it isn't. Well then I guess it must be so, because Rick says so! Just like we all know he isn't egotistical/proud because he preaches against pride.

(Look at me, I reverse tithe, ain't I something? I even kept it quiet for so many years, just like Jesus said to. So ya have to believe me NOW...!)

143 posted on 12/29/2006 12:16:25 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: teddyballgame
Just so happens my favorite Pro Life action group is located in the same town as Rick's church...

I sent them this email a few minutes ago...

*********************
Rick Warren, pastor and leader of Saddleback Community
Church (located in Lake Forest) is speaking out in support of pro-partial birth abortion candidate Barak Obama (NARAL 100% rating, Planned Parenthood 100%).

An average Sunday has 20,000 attendees.

Any chance there's a few sign holders who could bring this to the attention of the congregation this Sunday?

Yours,

Tim
Denver
303.520.XXXX
***********************************

144 posted on 12/29/2006 12:16:47 PM PST by Verax (""Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Kuksool
I think Rudy will win the primaries and Obama too. The Presidential race will be a close one. The Rudy supporters, who gloat about not needing conservatives, will come begging Freepers to vote for Rudy. They'll say Obama supports gay civil unions, late term abortions, and gun control, while neglecting to point out Rudy's stands on those issues.

The comedy should be fun.

*shudder*

Kinda weird definition of "fun", I'd say you've got!

What I expect to happen is that long before even the primary races begin, this place is gonna shake like the New Madrid Fault on a bad day. Brace for the influx of party operatives and "hired hands", well-versed in the tactics of opposition-stomping. Anyone who veers off the official party line by even a millimeter will be set up and knocked down. I anticipate a wave of bannings the likes of which have never been seen before, once those pros jump in and start stirring the pot with expert precision.

It'll all be for naught, IMO. I expect B. Hussein Obama, the "man for all peoples" to be coronated.

145 posted on 12/29/2006 12:32:51 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
I think Obama is a classic wolf in sheeps clothing and he should be scrutinized!

"Don't be so judgemental!"

"Who are you to judge?"

"Judge not, lest ye be judged!"

"No one is perfect!"

"Stop being so negative and hyper-critical!"

(You heard it hear first. But you won't hear the last of it until B. Hussein Obama wins the election!)

146 posted on 12/29/2006 12:38:39 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Argh, "hear first" = "here first".

Don "negative" Joe needeth yonder coffee...

147 posted on 12/29/2006 12:40:57 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: evad
..for his outstanding "Christian faith"

The article said outspoken not outstanding. To the media, outspoken means that he actually says he is a Christian. They think it is acceptable because they know he is not a Billy Graham Christian, but rather a Billy Clinton Christian.

148 posted on 12/29/2006 12:43:42 PM PST by webheart
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To: TommyDale; teddyballgame
These people are dreaming. Only leftist liberal "evangelicals" would support this abortionist.

Don't bet on it.

(Hint: That link is to the full article ref'd atop this thread. You need to read the whole thing.)

Face it: Christians were seduced into voting for Carter. Christians were seduced into voting for Clinton. Twice. Not all, but plenty. There's precedent.

149 posted on 12/29/2006 12:48:27 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
What I expect to happen is that long before even the primary races begin, this place is gonna shake like the New Madrid Fault on a bad day. Brace for the influx of party operatives and "hired hands", well-versed in the tactics of opposition-stomping. Anyone who veers off the official party line by even a millimeter will be set up and knocked down. I anticipate a wave of bannings the likes of which have never been seen before, once those pros jump in and start stirring the pot with expert precision.

Time to break out the references and brush up on propaganda techniques and logical fallacies. Learn to recognize when you're being lied to. Go in knowing it's bait, and that what they're after is an intemperate, emotional response.

150 posted on 12/29/2006 12:51:31 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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