Posted on 02/21/2007 6:15:41 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Obviously, the biggest issue for the Democrats in 2008 will be the war. They're betting their entire stake on the hopes that America is fed up with the war dragging on so long, and they're convinced that their big wins in 2006 were due primarily to President Bush's determination to stay the course, versus their own antiwar stance. Hillary is furiously back pedaling trying to distance herself from her own pro war votes as her popularity erodes away and shifts to the up and coming antiwar superstar, Barack "Osama" Obama. And most of the lesser Democrat presidential wannabes are falling all over themselves trying to out coward the front runners. Whomever gets the Democrat nod will be running primarily on the "End the War Now, Bring the Troops Home" ticket.
And, naturally, the Republicans are going to run on the "Fight on to Victory and Secure the Nation" platform. All of the Republican front runners are convinced that they can win on this issue. But, they feel they must pickup some percentage of the Democrat vote and or of the liberal leaning swing vote. So, to varying degrees, the front runners are banking on certain liberal mainstay issues. They're saying they're okay with abortion rights, gay rights, gay unions, gays in the military, gun control, global warming, open borders, illegal alien rights, immigration reform (amnesty), big government entitlement programs or other liberal issues. They seem to be falling all over each other competing for their fair share of the mushy middle vote that may make their day.
So we have one side wrapping up the treasonous antiwar vote (probably around 40% of the total vote) while the other side clearly wraps up the patriotic peace through victory vote (another 40% of the vote). The Democrats will naturally pull in their liberal/socialist base (which is largely the antiwar vote) and the broken glass Republican base will be true to the GOP (their 40% of the vote), although the Christian Right and some of the normally true blue right wing conservatives are growing mighty tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps.
At any rate, what both sides seem to be ignoring in their fight for the mushy middle may be the 2nd most critical issue of all and an overlooked opportunity for the big win. And that is the fact that half or more of all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, are fed up with illegal aliens flooding into our country through our almost non existent border security. And this during time of war.
The borders must be secured. If the war goes on, an insecure border sets us up for terrorists smuggling in weapons that could kill tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of Americans. Dirty bombs, chemical or biological weapons, etc.
Even if the Democrats are successful with shutting down our Iraq war efforts, the terrorists are not going to stop. In fact, they'll be emboldened. And freed from fighting over there, they're bound to bring their efforts here. They're going to continue hating us and wanting to wipe us off the face of the planet regardless of what the Democrats may do.
We must defend the nation. We must defend our national security. We must seal the borders now. And we must get control over who and what is coming into our country.
Also, Americans are tired of paying the costs of the growing flood of illegals. The costs are measured in terms of lost American jobs, costs of educating their children, health care costs, housing, welfare, gang violence, crime, costs of capturing, prosecuting and incarcerating illegal alien criminals, overcrowding crumbling cities and towns degrading into slums and barrios, failure of the illegals to assimilate or even to learn our language. Press one for English.
If I'm not mistaken, most if not all of the front runners of both parties are either soft on illegal immigration or are outright in favor of wide open borders and awarding constitutional "rights" to illegals if not immediate full citizenship. This is a national disgrace. And if not stopped will lead to an erosion of our national sovereignty and or to disastrous terrorist attacks of historic proportions. Again, our nation and our borders must be secured!
I sincerely doubt that any Democrat candidate is going to run on a platform of securing the borders and I don't recall any of our front running Republicans declaring that they will seal the borders either, so now what?
Are there any Republican candidates out there who will step forward and not only pledge to win the war, but also to place the nation on a secure war footing? Secure the nation? Seal and secure the borders?
I believe that a qualified Republican candidate with a solid conservative track record, including a record of fighting for full national security has a shot of overtaking the current weak (conservatively speaking) front runners and winning the Republican nod. I also believe this candidate will win over the cowardly antiwar, pro illegal immigration, liberal Democrat whether it be Hillary, Osama Obama or whomever.
By the way, why are we so eager to give up on our traditional American conservative values and principles? I don't know about you, but I'm not about to give up fighting for God, country, family, life, liberty and our traditional American heritage. Those who wish to merge with the liberals on these critical American issues are in for a rude awakening.
For those of you who do not understand what traditional American conservatism means, I'll lay out what it means to me. Others may think differently, and this won't be all inclusive, but here are some major points that are important to me:
Traditional American conservatives are not going to deny our God. Are not going to give up our guns (without using them first). We're not going to surrender to the abortionists or to the gay rights agenda. We're not going to cave to global warming pseudo science. We're not going to surrender our national sovereignty to terrorists, illegals, the United Nations or to Democrats! We're not going to surrender to tax and spend liberal Democrats or to tax and spend moderate country club Republicans.
We will not surrender to the progressives, socialists or moderates who wish to shove their big government socialist wealth transfer and or perverted social programs down our throats.
We're going to continue defending the nation, defending our national sovereignty, defending our national security, defending our borders, defending our families, defending our constitution, our liberty and our American way of life.
We stand for and defend the constitutionally separated and limited government as envisioned and set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution by the Founding Fathers.
We're going to defend our rights. Our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom of assembly, due process, private property, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not negotiable.
We're going to fight against the activist court. We're going to fight for judges that interpret the constitution according to the straightforward words and definitions as used at the time of the writing and ratification of the document, ie, the original intent.
We are going to fight for stripping the government of its usurpations and expansions from the limited powers enumerated in the constitution.
We stand for and defend our traditional Judeo-Christian God centered American conservative society and family values system.
We believe we were all created equal by our Creator and are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and we intend to defend same.
We believe it is the primary responsibility of the just government empowered by our consent to defend these rights. And that whenever government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
for sure
JimRob correctly describes the "made-up 'right'" of abortion forced on us by liberal activist courts. It is in fact a power granted to women by liberal courts to commit murder. It violates a real right--the right to life--that exists in nature.
harrowup counters by asserting that abortion is in fact a right. He/she does so because he/she is hoping to convince us that the power to murder one's child should be accepted as a moral act, that a woman's wish to "control" her body is the moral equivalent of a right, and somehow frees her from her obligation to recognize her baby's right to live.
When correctly identified as a power rather than a right, abortion loses its moral "justification".
You have a profound misunderstanding of one of the most fundamental basics of what the Republican Party stands for if you think slowing the flood of cheap labor over the borders will ever be part of the party platform. I suppose you think they'll stop busting American unions and merging global corporations too?
Great points!
Your Bill Sali story should be a constant reminder to all Duncan Hunter supporters to stay focused and not yield to the Left's favorite tool ~ discouragement.
Pilots flying through fog have to rely on the instruments they trust.
Your story is like a light in the fog.
Delphinium,
Your problem in Idaho is that loads of California school teachers have moved up there on retirement for the express purpose of controlling the senate by taking over states with small populations. This was told to me by a neighbor who just retired, and received a letter from the union suggesting that option.
California is exporting it's insanity.
I know America has declined morally in the last 40, 50 years, but I don't for one minute that those same voters who supported Bush in 2000 are ready for the likes of a liberal democrat like person like Rudy.
Thanks for the ping, Smartass!
Thanks!
No problem there.
We're going to fight against the activist court. We're going to fight for judges that interpret the constitution according to the straightforward words and definitions as used at the time of the writing and ratification of the document, ie, the original intent.
Not certain you guys will like the actual results of that play.
We are going to fight for stripping the government of its usurpations and expansions from the limited powers enumerated in the constitution.
Well, that is what the SCOTUS is supposed to do is make certain the U. S. Constitution is in fact maintained...all of it.
Most of what you are saying is just blowing steam and while it may increase your metabolism it won't win elections.
Hillary Clinton is going to be POTUS if those of you on the wildest fringes of the right continue to trash the middle. They aren't stupid sheeple and they don't believe your pandering to the lowest common denominator.
If it isn't obvious to you that some of the noisiest rudest fellows in this room go from thread to thread to beat up on Republicans then I don't know what to say that might convince you that you are on the wrong track. The same track you went down with Buchanan and Keyes before.
You need to concentrate on exposing the corruption in government and the waste in government and the total hyposcrisy of our political class, across the board. But you can't do that when you are more hypocritical than they are.
My old guard in the Democrat Party wasn't able to stop the Clintons in 1992 and no one is going to stop them in 2008 unless everyone starts to concentrate on the evil that will result if HRC sits in the Oval Office.
Those of you who supported Perot in 1992 should forever be banned from human contact.
The vast majority (your 'mushy middle') of people want to prosper and be safe. They know Jesse Jackson and Ron Paul on the same ticket won't do it for them, and given the rhetoric thrown around this room that probably would be a step up in rational thinking.
Heated rhetoric is a staple of the political fringe whether you are Al Sharpton or Babe Buchanan. Neither of them have ever won an election and they don't set policy. The grown ups who do set policy learn how to compromise with those of differing views.
And the really smart ones don't call one another traitors or knuckledraggers.
I can't exactly tell what jim robinson is saying, but, it don't matter, so long as our government of any stripe, continues to do "business as usual" in the halls of congress and the senate and the white house.
"I believe most Americans want. The want real principles, not phony politicians. And they want someone who really stand for those princples, and not give in like so many have been doing".
This is exactly what Im hearing out my way too.
folks are tired of plugging thier noses and voting. they want REAL conservatives, that stand on conservative principals.
They are tired of being pandered to, lied to and flip flopped on.
If we cant find someone more conservative than Rudy to run, we will lose the white house in 08. They will not vote for him.
Our best bet is to vote for conservatives in the primaries. A lot less people vote in the primaries as compared to the general election, so there's much more power there.
I'm trying to get my husband to register Republican so he can vote in the primaries for pro-life, conservatives.
And I will contribute to Duncan Hunter's campaign tomorrow.
Don't you hate it when you get to the end of a thread, and it ends?
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