Posted on 02/23/2007 7:45:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child
Nah, we just sort things out in a lively manner.
Regards,
LH
I have been saying the same thing. I really don't care what Rudy accomplished in the ZOO known as New York. I don't live in a zoo, I am not a monkey, so consequently, I DON'T NEED A ZOO-KEEPER!
Hmmm - let's compare the number of terror attacks by Christian zealots (less than a dozen that I can see) to the daily carnage by Muslim terrorists around the world.
Moral equivalence just shows how pathetic your point of view is that it cannot bother to incorporate what should be blindingly obvious.
I wasn't here during Elian, we Terri supports survived and the thread continues, Freepers have even have stuck together thru Katrina. Things have been tense since the last election though IMO.
Many misguided FReepers keep repeating this canard that the President doesn't have much to do with the Abortion issue. That statement is simply FALSE.
Let's review SOME of what each President has done for or against abortion from Reagan to Bush II:
President Ronald Reagan 1981-1989:
“My administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have meaning.” -President Ronald Reagan
- President Reagan supported legislation to challenge Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion on demand.
- President Reagan adopted the “Mexico City Policy,” which cut off U.S. foreign aid funds to private organizations that performed and promoted abortion overseas.
- The Reagan Administration cut off funding to the United Nations Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA) because that agency violated U.S. law by participating in China’s compulsory abortion program.
- The Reagan Administration adopted regulations to prohibit federally funded “family planning” clinics from promoting abortion as a method of birth control.
- The Reagan Administration blocked the use of federal funds for research using tissue from aborted babies.
- The Reagan Administration helped win enactment of the Danforth Amendment which established that federally funded education institutions are not guilty of “sex discrimination” if they refuse to pay for abortions.
- President Reagan introduced the topic of fetal pain into public debate.
- The Reagan Administration played a key role in enactment of legislation to protect the right to life of handicapped newborns and signed the legislation into law.
- President Reagan designated a National Sanctity of Human Life Day in recognition of the value of human life at all stages. President Reagan wrote a book entitled Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation, in which he made the case against legal abortion and in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.
President George H. W. Bush 1989-1993
“Since 1973, there have been about 20 million abortions. This a tragedy of shattering proportions.”“The Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.” -President George H.W. Bush
- The Bush Administration urged the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to pass laws to protect unborn children, stating “protection of innocent human life -- in or out of the womb -- is certainly the most compelling interest that a State can advance.”
- President Bush opposed the “Freedom of Choice Act,” a bill which, he said, “would impose on all 50 states an unprecedented regime of abortion on demand, going well beyond Roe v. Wade.” The President pledged, “It will not become law as long as I am President of the United States.” President Bush vowed, “I will veto any legislation that weakens current law or existing regulations” pertaining to abortion. He vetoed 10 bills that contained proabortion provisions, including four appropriations bills which allowed for taxpayer funding of abortion.
- President Bush vetoed U.S. funding of the UNFPA, citing the agency’s participation in the management of China’s forced abortion program.
- President Bush strongly defended the “Mexico City Policy,” which cut off U.S. foreign aid funds to private organizations that performed and promoted abortion overseas. Three separate legal challenges to the policy by pro-abortion organizations were defeated by the Administration in federal courts.
- President Bush prohibited 4,000 federally funded family planning clinics from counseling and referring for abortions.
- President Bush steadfastly refused to fund research that encouraged or depended on abortion, including transplantation of tissues harvested from aborted babies.
- The Bush Administration prohibited personal importation of the French abortion pill, RU-486.
- The Bush Administration prohibited the performance of abortion on U.S. military bases, except to save the mother’s life and fought Congressional attempts to reverse this policy.
President William Clinton 1993-2001
President Bill Clinton said he has “always been pro-choice” and has “never wavered” in his “support for Roe v. Wade.” “I have believed in the rule of Roe v. Wade for 20 years since I used to teach it in law school.”
- President Clinton urged the Supreme Court to uphold Roe v. Wade.
- The Clinton Administration endorsed the socalled “Freedom of Choice Act,” (a bill to prohibit states from limiting abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned). FOCA was defeated in Congress.
- The Clinton Administration urged Congress to make abortion a part of a mandatory national health insurance “benefits package,” forcing all taxpayers to pay for virtually all abortions. The Clinton Health Care legislation died in Congress.
- President Clinton unsuccessfully attempted to repeal the Hyde Amendment, the law that prohibits federal funding of abortion except in rare cases.
- President Clinton twice used his veto to kill legislation that would have placed a national ban on partial-birth abortions. President Clinton ordered federally funded family planning clinics to counsel and refer for abortion.
- The Clinton Administration ordered federal funding of experiments using tissue from aborted babies. President Clinton’s appointees proposed using federal funds for research in which human embryos would be killed.
- President Clinton ordered U.S. military facilities to provide abortions. President Clinton ordered his appointees to facilitate the introduction of RU 486 in the U.S.
- The Clinton Administration resumed funding to the pro-abortion UNFPA, which participates in management of China’s forced abortion program.
- President Clinton restored U.S. funding to pro-abortion organizations in foreign nations. His administration declared abortion to be a “fundamental right of all women,” and ordered U.S. ambassadors to lobby foreign governments for abortion.
- The Clinton Administration’s representatives to the United Nations and to U.N. meetings worked to establish an international “right” to abortion.
President George W. Bush 2001-Present
“The promises of our Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love to care for both mothers and their children, to see the promise and potential in every human life.” -President George W. Bush
- During his first week in office, President Bush reinstated the Mexico City Policy, which prevents tax funds from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortion overseas. He threatened to veto an appropriations bill unless a provision overturning the policy was removed.
- President Bush declared that federal funds will not be used for stem cell research that would require the destruction of human embryos. His threat of a veto stopped an attempt in the U.S. Senate to provide funding for such research.
- President Bush has stopped many anti-life initiatives by threatening vetoes -- including proposals to allow abortion to be covered in federal employees’ health insurance plans, and allow abortions to be performed in U.S. military medical facilities and within the federal prison system.
- The Bush Administration ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist suicides. When the decision was overturned in federal district court, the Administration appealed the case.
- President Bush has strongly backed a U.S. ban on human cloning and helped defeat a “clone and kill” proposal in 2001.
- President Bush has helped win U.S. House approval of pro-life measures including the Child Custody Protection Act and the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act.
- President Bush promoted and signed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which protects all infants born alive, including those who survive abortion.
- The Bush Administration’s representatives to the United Nations and to UN meetings and conferences have fought repeated efforts to establish an international “right” to abortion. President Bush promoted and signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans the use of the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure.
- President Bush supported and signed into law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which recognizes unborn children as victims of violent federal crimes.
This utterly disproves the false notion that the President never "wastes time" on the abortion issue or that he has no power at all one way or the other.
So, if any more FReepers make the same false argument that the President has little to do with the abortion issue, then they're going to get a copy of this posted in response.
And given Giuliani's past behavior on this issue, conservatives can only shudder to imagine what his record would be if he can fool enough voters into electing him to office.
Islam is based on the same Judaic-Christian foundation. They have the same Moses, the same archangels, and a whole list of familiar characters. They are simply less tolerant of what they see as sin. An extreme position that makes our own extreme positions look timid, indeed. The difference I see is of degree, rather than type.
Where do you get 'hate gays' from? Certainly, hatred of their "lifestyle choice" can transform into hatred of the person themselves, which shouldn't be the case. Nevertheless, do you not think it's valid to try and keep homosexuals from indoctrinating children and whatnot?
and uses his following to get religiously-inspired laws passed in the Roman Empire.
Our society was founded on Judeo-Christian values, was it not?
Of course, since it cannot be disputed or countered, they will instead attempt to dismiss it as mere spam. While they create new threads for every politician, down to school board member, who comes out in support of Rudy.
Of course they will.
The answer is to point out the admittedly great job he did while working for Rudy.
I have every confidence that primary opponents will point out these issues and they'll be long dead by the general if Rudy is in fact the nominee.
As for your other, quite reasonable, answer, how frequently has anti-gun legislation come close to victory in Congress, and how often would Presidential intervention have actually accomplished anything?
My understanding is that in today's political environment, you introduce anti-gun legislation at your peril, and I don't see that changing.
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I never ran across anyone wanting to ban any such thing. If there were such a movement, it was a tiny minority. The Religious Right is much more interested in seeing the end of murdering innocent children while still in the womb, and also the end of the homosexualization of America.
Mr. Guiliani did a great to outstanding job in New York. I applaud him for that.
However, he in no way represents me in 90% of other areas. The only thing I see where I would agree with him is in the WOT.
I'm not attacking the man (OR for that matter, his supporters, God bless you all), he's all in all a human being just as we all are.
But his policies I cannot and will never support. Therefore I cannot and will not vote for him. Either in the primaries or in the General should he win the nomination.
Ah...the difference that I see if that they kill who they consider sinners, whereas Christians pray for who they consider sinning.
Certainly. To the point where they (the Wahhabist and the fundamentalists, in any case) slaughter and subjugate anyone who is not a Muslim.
Can't really recall the part in the Bible where Jesus calls on Christians to slaughter and subjugate non-Christians...or the Jews, for that matter.
Most people here are profoundly anti-Rudy and emotionally attached to never listening to his good points.
As I have said many times, I am trying to get good information, and I am not yet a Rudy supporter, just haven't closed my mind to his candidacy. We have no good candidate, and most of our good Canadian poster's screed is not truly informative. There was a Rudy supporter that posted his accomplishments, and what he has done. I'd rather look at that information, than this.
I would say this if an anti-Hunter, anti-Nest, or anti-Romney thread were posted as well.
*look before posting*
Using your logic, if one brother is law abiding and the other is in jail, the law-abiding one is a criminal at heart because they both had the same parents. NONSENSE!
I'm really not sure why I bother with someone like you, except for the point that your inane views are the first step towards persecution.
Just compare the openness of Christian societies - where minority faiths are allowed to worship freely and often under the protection of the state - to Muslim countries where you can be persecuted, jailed or killed for such.
My former inlaws were Muslims who convereted to Christianity. They survived several attempts on their lives in Pakistan decades ago before finally emigrating to the US. And it's only gotten worse since then.
That alone negates your whole stupid line of attack on Christian values. Throw in all the other stuff that has been thrown at you by others on this thread, and if you had any shred of decency, you would apologize and slink off to some other FR topic.
Nor do I. And I think you know that.
It's posts like yours that keep me off these threads.
We just go 'round and 'round about nothing.
You support your guy and I'll support mine.
And have a nice day.
"Your post is soooooooo double-digits...."
LOL!!! I have to agree. Duncan Hunter is heading up from low SINGLE digits on many polls. I see why you're nervous.
Add Tancredo's, Pauls, 1/2 of Romney's, most of Newts and about 1/4th of Julie-Annies and.....well....let me say that it won't be looking too good for your gun-grabber/Cabaret/Chorus-line/baby-killing/gay-loving buddy.
BTW, you're spam links are past the point of immature.
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