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Roman-Style Column Bolsters Han Dynasty Tomb
Peoples Daily ^ | 4-9-2007

Posted on 04/08/2007 6:41:47 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 04/08/2007 6:41:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Just pictures.

2 posted on 04/08/2007 6:42:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

You mean - international trade wasn’t invented by Al gore?


3 posted on 04/08/2007 6:50:09 PM PDT by MrEdd (Always look on the bright side of life.)
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To: MrEdd

Why, of course, it was. He trailblazed the Silk Road and pioneered the trade in tea, silk and spices.


4 posted on 04/08/2007 6:56:07 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: blam

George Bush’s fault.


5 posted on 04/08/2007 7:11:36 PM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: blam

Hmmm....


6 posted on 04/08/2007 7:55:00 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: blam

now finally i know why roman empire collapsed

their manufacturing was destroyed by outsourcing to China


7 posted on 04/08/2007 8:03:35 PM PDT by Flavius ("Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: blam

It would actually be Greek Stlye columns, but those are just details I suppose. But Hellenistic Culture probably spread the columns to China before Rome. Rome wasn’t even outside of Italy and into Asia until 133 B.C.


8 posted on 04/08/2007 8:08:03 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam. There's a Han court record which correctly refers to the emperor Marcus Aurelius in the context of an ambassador who arrived by sea (probably a trade delegation, or even independent trader). And from 1999...
Romans In China?
by Erling Hoh
This idea was first proposed by Homer Hasenphlug Dubs, an Oxford University professor of Chinese history, who speculated in 1955 that some of the 10,000 Roman prisoners taken by the Parthians after the battle of Carrhae in southeastern Turkey in 53 B.C. made their way east to Uzbekistan to enlist with Jzh Jzh against the Han. Chinese accounts of the battle, in which Jzh Jzh was decapitated and his army defeated, note unusual military formations and the use of wooden fortifications foreign to the nomadic Huns.
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9 posted on 04/08/2007 8:48:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

...darn Chinamen will knock off ANYthing, it seems...!!!


10 posted on 04/08/2007 8:58:06 PM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: Flavius

“now finally i know why roman empire collapsed”

...yeah, China STOLE their columns.

[wink]


11 posted on 04/08/2007 8:58:45 PM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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Romans in China?
Archaeology | Volume 52 Number 3, May/June 1999 | Erling Hoh
Posted on 07/18/2004 8:43:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1173944/posts

Roman Legion Founded Chinese City
Ansa | 7-25-2005
Posted on 07/31/2005 3:31:23 PM EDT by blam
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Romans May Have Learned From Chinese Great Wall: Archaeologists
People’s Daily Online/Xinhua | 12-20-2005
Posted on 12/20/2005 12:59:10 PM EST by blam
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Multiplication Table From 1,800 Years Ago Discovered In Hunan
Peoples Daily | 3-9-2004
Posted on 03/09/2004 7:04:42 PM EST by blam
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Bricks With Molded Designs Unearthed In Chongqing (Caucasians in Ancient China)
Xinhuanet.com/China View | 1-12-2004
Posted on 01/12/2004 12:28:45 PM EST by blam
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Nestorian Tablet in China
Internet History Sourcebooks Project, Fordham University | July1998 | ed Paul Halsall
Posted on 07/21/2004 11:04:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Ancient Engraved Chessboards Found On Great Wall
People’s Daily - Xinhua | 6-5-2006
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:00:02 PM EDT by blam
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Tamil Trade
INTAMM | 1997 | Xavier S. Thani Nayagam
Posted on 09/11/2004 11:07:01 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
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12 posted on 04/08/2007 9:05:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JB in Whitefish

thats even funnier


13 posted on 04/08/2007 9:25:37 PM PDT by Flavius ("Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
Rome was outside of Italy in the 3rd c BC, having conquered Spain in 206 BC, and conducted a campaign outside of Europe, against Hannibal in north Africa, the following year.
The Conquest of Greece
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Greek forces also became involved in the campaigns of the Punic Wars, setting the stage for future conflicts with Rome. The most important episode occurred during the Second Punic War (218-207 B.C.). Campaigning in Italy, the Carthaginian leader Hannibal allied with Philip V of Macedonia, then the most powerful ruler in the Balkans, to protect supply lines from North Africa. Rome responded by supporting Philip's many enemies in the Balkans as they fought the First Macedonian War (215-213 B.C.), which expanded Roman interests into the Balkans. In the Second Macedonian War (200-197 B.C.), Rome's first major military expedition into the Greek world met with brilliant success. Philip lost all his territory outside Macedonia, and the victorious commander Flamininus established a Roman protectorate over the "liberated" Greek city-states. The fortunes of Greece and Rome were henceforth intertwined for about the next 500 years.
Rise of Rome
by Leslie Dossey
Loyola University of Chicago
Wars with the Greeks started because the Hellenistic kings in Greece had helped Hannibal. To get back at the kings, the Romans declared the Greek city-states "free" - i.e. free of Macedonia - and intervened to put this into effect. When Greek cities don't show proper gratitude, the Romans conquer them. 146 BC was the most dramatic year - Romans destroyed two ancient cities - Corinth and Carthage - in the same year, killing or enslaving their populations, ripping down the buildings, and declaring the land unfit for habitation... By the end of the 1st century BC, all the territory which rings the Mediterranean sea was Roman... the Romans gradually turned the people they had conquered into Romans... The Romans conquered the Greeks - but the Greeks ended up influencing Roman culture far more than Roman culture influenced Greek. In the 3rd and 2nd centuries, Greek intellectuals (and in 2nd and 1st c slaves) poured into Rome. The Romans adopted Greek literary genres (drama, epic poetry, history), Greek philosophy (Stoicism, Epicureanism), Greek art, Greek social life (like public baths, gyms, theatres), even Greek food and sexual practices (homosexual romance became acceptable in upper class circes). Even the shape of Roman houses became more Greek... addition of Greek peristyle. A few conservative Romans tried to resist the Hellenizing trend - but they failed. A truly "Graeco-Roman" culture was formed.

14 posted on 04/08/2007 9:29:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam.

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15 posted on 04/08/2007 9:37:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

that’s a curve ball.

i was not thinking about that tonight!


16 posted on 04/08/2007 9:39:24 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: SunkenCiv

To the west yes, but it wasn’t until 133B.C. that Rome inherited her first province in Asia (The Former Kingdom of Pergamum centered around Ephesus and Miletus). By 200 B.C. Rome was in Illyria and Spain and Africa, but they hadn’t crossed to the East. Thus the influence in Asia would have been from Hellenistic Greece. That was my point. Rome was still a western power, not a world power yet as Carthage had just been defeated guaranteeing Roman dominance of the Mediterranean.


17 posted on 04/08/2007 9:42:15 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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"Romans In China? by Erling Hoh "

I think this better explains the situation. Caucasians were there before the Chinese.

On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

"This group is called "Proto-European" by Mair and Mallory, and it can be dated to have arrived in Xinjiang about 1800 B.C.E. or somewhat earlier. "

18 posted on 04/08/2007 10:08:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
Your original statement:
Rome wasn’t even outside of Italy and into Asia until 133 B.C.
That is definitely not the case, I'd guess you meant, outside of Europe.

There were Graeco-Macedonian successor states in Central Asia, and some endured a while, but ethnically and culturally these were more of a local character. The Chinese referred to the Mediterranean powers such as the Alexandrian kingdoms and Rome by the same term, and even tried to establish diplomatic contact with the Roman Empire shortly after the death of Trajan, arriving in the briefly conquered and recently vacated former province of Mesopotamia.

The date range given in the article ("202 BC - 220 AD") corresponds to the duration of the Han dynasty, and Roman contact with the Han Dynasty is known.
19 posted on 04/08/2007 10:09:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Looks more like a Grecian Doric column.


20 posted on 04/08/2007 10:15:30 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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