Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood
Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC
If this is so, why did he obliterate the serial numbers on his weapons?
wow, what a great point!! Best post of the day and needs to go to Brit Hume.
“Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and “an imminent danger to others.””
Shouldn’t that have been entered into the state NICS (instant backgound) system?
martyr video?
I have no doubt NBC has a copy
Wow. 2005 declared Mentally ILL and this in the past hour. Good grief.
so in the two hours between the killings - he went back to his dorm, and took this package to the post office?
They must know it was mailed on the 16th, and that he couldn't have mailed it before the first shooting (too early).
Unless there was an accomplice.
In 2005, A Court Order by a VA. Special Justice declared Cho an "imminent Danger to Others"..etc...
Dear Lord..he should have been institutionalized..
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Breaking on CNN
“A court order from 2005 states that Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui was declared mentally ill and “an imminent danger to others.”
Shouldn’t that be posted as its own thread?
Dreadful!
Thanks for that.
BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) — Cho Seung-Hui in 2005 was declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice, who declared he was “an imminent danger to others,” a court document states.
Thanks for the clarification all... I haven’t been reading all the threads on this and hadn’t seen those about when and where he bought the guns. Sounds like the background check didn’t work.... What a sad shame.
Yes the reporter said they turned the “originals” over to Police..so they have copies Im sure
You would think so, but I’ll bet this falls under some medical privacy situation.
I surely won't be shocked if a clearer Islamic connection emerges - Ismail Ax, and the press/authorities seem to be dancing around something.
"A temporary detention order was obtained and Cho was taken to a mental health facility" on December 13, 2005, he said.
A student asking to be identified only as Andy said he was the one who told police that Cho was suicidal. Police "took [Cho] away to the counseling center for a night or two," said the student, who used to room with Cho.
Some FReeper who knows his way around the ATF forms needed to purchase a gun can answer this. Doesn't that form 4473 ask "Have you ever been declared mentally incompetent or been involuntarily committed to an institution?"
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Both guns were bought legally, one in Feb and one in March. Yes, I’ve seen the gun store owner interviewed...he followed procedures to the letter.
Cho was evaluated at that mental health facility in Dec, ‘05 so I asked the same question earlier: why didn’t it show up on his background check to buy the gun. (Guess: the university didn’t want to “invade his privacy”!)
If they don’t tell the truth on such an important issue, they should be barred from calling themselves a “news” organization.
They know where and when he bought the guns..*legally*, in fact.
but we are told by prof nikki that this was just a random act of violence
He must have lied about that on his purchase applications, and I don’t think the crimincal background checks cover mental illness, which fall under confidential doctor/patient privacy laws. Regardless, someone’s head is really going to roll now...
“original” in the hands of the FBI??
So they are admitting they made copies???
sheesh
NBC to release statement “soon”
I wonder if the package he sent to NBC was another play/story he wrote ???
He must have sent a shout-out to Allah.
No ideer. I like the IInd fine, but criminal convictions and civil commitments should mean something.
You do lose some rights (like the right to vote) when convicted of a crime.
A doctor should be able to discharge someone subject to the condition that he not be allowed to handle firearms.
That’s pretty low. Yikes.
You’re probably right.
This guy had quite a history, it seems. But what???
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LOL
Maybe it will turn out like this week’s revelations concerning French intelligence and 9/11. When and what.
But I doubt it.
The note found in his dormotory room may turn out to be a draft/outline of what he sent to NBC News. The killings were premeditated. No reason to believe the email wasn’t as well.
nbc lied, people died.
No, no, no... it’s a 14 1/2 hour reading of “Moby Dick”.
SOO..NBC wants the ratings??
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If I went crazy I would send my documents to Katie Couric! |
Agree.
Sent it snail mail according to MSNBc..
MSNBC
Updated: 6 minutes ago
Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a long and rambling communication and video about his grievances, the network said Wednesday. Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents pending the agency’s review.
The communication is the last known red flag raised by Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, who killed 32 people in two separate attacks Monday before taking his own life.
But as early as 2005, police and school administrators were wrestling with what to do with the young man, who was accused of stalking two female students and was sent to a mental health facility after police obtained a temporary detention order.
The two women complained to campus police that Cho was contacting them with “annoying” telephone calls and e-mail messages in November and December 2005, campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.
Cho was referred to the university’s disciplinary system, but Flinchum said the woman declined to press charges, and the case apparently never reached a hearing.
Detention order issued
However, after the second incident, the department received a call from an acquaintance of Cho’s, who was concerned that he might be suicidal, Flinchum said. Police obtained a temporary detention order from a local magistrate, and in December of that year, Cho was voluntarily but briefly admitted to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, NBC News’ Jim Popkin reported.
To issue a detention order under Virginia law, a magistrate must find both that the subject is “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment” and that the subject is “an imminent danger to himself or others, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for himself.”
According to a doctor’s report accompanying the order, which was first reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Cho was “depressed,” but “his insight and judgment are normal.” The doctor, a clinical psychologist who was not identified, noted that Cho “denies suicidal ideations.”
Under the law, the magistrate could have issued a stronger detention order mandating inpatient treatment, but there was no indication Wednesday that such an order was ever entered. A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans told NBC News that he could not discuss Cho’s case because of patient confidentiality and privacy laws, but he said the hospital was cooperating with the investigation.
Otherwise, Flinchum said, there were no further police incidents involving Cho until the deadly shootings Monday, first in a young woman’s dormitory room and then at a classroom building across campus. Neither of the alleged stalking victims was among the victims Monday.
In addition to the 33 people confirmed dead, including the gunman, nine people remained in hospitals in stable condition, hospital authorities said.
Health records sought
Campus police applied Wednesday for search warrants for all of Cho’s medical records from Schiffert Health Center on campus and New River Community Services in Blacksburg.
”It is reasonable to believe that the medical records may provide evidence of motive, intent and designs,” investigators wrote in the documents, according to The Associated Press.
Police searched Cho’s dorm room Tuesday and recovered, among other items, a chain and a combination lock, according to documents filed Wednesday. The front doors of Norris Hall, the classroom building, had been chained shut from the inside during the shooting rampage.
Other items that were seized included a folding knife; two computers, a hard disk and other computer disks; documents, books, notebooks and other writings; a digital camera; compact disks; and two Dremel tools, which are rotating tools used for cutting, sanding and other applications.
In an affidavit seeking the search warrant, police found a “bomb threat” note — directed at engineering school buildings — near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech had received two other bomb threats; investigators said they had not connected those to Cho.
Family sought better life in U.S.
Cho arrived in the United States as an 8-year-old boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va., a suburb of Washington, where his parents worked at a dry cleaners. He graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly in 2003.
Cho’s family moved to the United States in search of a better life, said the family’s landlady in South Korea. The family was poor and lived in a cheap basement apartment on the outskirts of Seoul, the woman told South Korean television Wednesday.
Cho had an older sister, Sun-Kyung, who graduated from Princeton University with an economics degree in 2004, Princeton officials confirmed.
Ping
Stalked two female VT students, for starters. Apparently (per CNN) the main reason was that his roomie told the VT police that Cho was making suicidal statements, so they got a judge to issue a temporary detention order and they took him to Access, a counseling center in Blacksburg.
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Yes, the May sweeps start next week.
Thanks.
I find it interesting they are leaving the parents alone. What did they know and what did they tell that we still don’t know.
Why would the FBI have it? Is it because he used a firearm? Fed laws were broken?
Sorry for the dumb question.
He should have never been accepted to VPI..
I hate to place blame, but this case cries out for it..
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It probably should be.
My recollection from reading the NICS forms is that the disqualifier is being *adjudicated in a court of law* to be mentally ill within the last 3 or 5 years (??).
Not going to a marriage counselor of taking Ambien for sleeping.
Court adjudication of mental illness should be entered into NICS records.
Why didn;t that happen?
When you consider that they suspend and/or expel six year old boys for bringing a plastic knife to school, they handcuff and arrest 6 year old girls for kicking a teacher in the shin, they expel 7 year old boys for bringing a butter knife to cut his pb&j sandwich with, and they expel 6 year old boys for "sexual harrassment", how in hell can anybody excuse the V.T. president for not ridding the university of this dangerous, demented scumbag Cho? He was twice accused of stalking women, was booted from English class for writing frightening, macabre, bloody poetry, was recommended to psychiatry by a teacher, was considered to be "very mean" by another teacher, (who also said she feared his 'meanstreak'), was known to have been suicidal by the staff, etc, etc -- YET they allow him to stay. It's a damn shame that he wasn't caught with a plastic butter knife, they might have given him the boot then.
I hope a few high placed staff get raked over the coals for this, and the police as well. There was a two hour lag between his first and second murder spree and the University wasn't locked down in between killing sprees. The whole thing totally reeks of PC liberal staff repeatedly letting this guy off the hook, incompetent 'security' officers, and bumbling, incompetent local cops screwing up the whole affair.
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