Posted on 05/09/2007 5:53:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We are becoming increasingly familiar with the topography of Iraq as we watch TV news reports and read newspaper accounts of events unfolding there. Iraq, about the size of California, is ancient Mesopotamia, Greek for “in the midst of the rivers.” The rivers, the Tigris and Euphrates, played a key role in the development of civilization in this region. The easternmost river, the Tigris, has its headwaters in eastern Turkey and flows past Mosul (ancient Nineveh), Tikrit, Baghdad, Kut and Basra. The Euphrates begins in east-central Turkey and flows past Karbala, Hilah (ancient Babylon) and Nasiriyah.
Iraq is called the “Cradle of Civilization,” as evidence has been found there for the earliest writing system, urban centers, literature, metallurgy, science, medicine and business, as reflected in the Bible (Genesis 2:14; 4:21–22; 10:10–11; 11:1–5). Our modern culture has its roots in ancient Iraq.
Biblical names for the southern part of ancient Mesopotamia [Iraq] include Shinar (ancient Sumer), Chaldea, and Babylon, and for the northern area, Assyria.
The ancient language of the region is called Akkadian, named after the city of Akkad, one of the cities founded by Nimrod in Shinar (Genesis 10:10). The language was written in cuneiform, or “wedge-shaped,” characters impressed into clay tablets with a wedge-shaped stylus.
There are tens of thousands of archaeological sites in this celebrated land. Starting in the south, we shall point out Biblical connections to some of the many discoveries that have been made in this country, so rich with ancient history and archaeological remains. These connections cluster around two time periods: the time of the Patriarchs, i.e., the Early Bronze and the first part of the Middle Bronze Ages, and the time of the Divided Monarchy, the Iron Age.
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Interesting quote from the Koran, verse 9:11 too boot? Curious.
I truly am not sure if you can do those things, but they do have quite an American “lifestyle” so I don’t think the beheadings and things like that happen like other muslim countries. I am not saying the place is perfect, but the original post was that you said it was a place that will be destroyed by being “sinful” or close to that and I just did not think that particular city is as bad as North Korea or Iraq (capital cities anyway).
Yes.
And Madison Wisconsin.
The New Testament had not yet been penned and published when Paul spoke/wrote these words, so he was referring to what the holy prophets had already penned. The holy prophets penned the script what happened during their days as a warning to us this day to events that would be replayed again.
Babylon means confusion, and the king of Babylon is another title given to the devil, and the ‘role’ he would be allowed to play. The devil has many names and ‘roles’ he would be allowed to play until his time is up. We are not yet at the end of his allowed time and he still has a few more roles to play.
Old Saddam rebuilt that city of Babylon and he put out a worldwide call for somebody to come and recreate those hanging gardens. Oh almost forgot that famous gate of Isthar, Saddam was trying to get back from Germany, it is housed in the Staatliche Museum, Berlin.
I do not think much of that rebuilt city of Babylon has been touch during this latest incursion into that land of the Babylonians.
You are wrong.
No offense intended, just trying to be as concise as you were.
We just have mutually exclusive eschatological POVs :)
I wont tell you you’re wrong if you wont tell me I am
Qur’an 9:11 “But if they repent, establish devotional obligations and pay the zakat, they are your brethren in Religion: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail for those who understand.”
I grow more convinced the End Time’s Antichrist political context will be Islamic and not European.
Hadith Bukhari:V4B52N177 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”’”
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ ? This one is the antichrist: the person who denies the Father and the Son.
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
I wasn’t the source of Bahrain.
That link Monica gave me makes a case for babylon being Mecca.
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There's quite a bit of evidence available to indicate that fortune telling is bad for the church's health, a hobby that only gains influence during seasons of reversal. That fades during seasons of reformation.
Yeah, I’ve released my speculations about New York City, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo as Babylon.
In terms of the revived Roman Empire . . . I think the globalist puppet masters fill that role precisely in all respects. That’s their origin and composition. And their notions of autocratic, authoritarian, socialistic, demonic tyrannical global rule was originally ensconsed within the confines of the Old Roman Empire.
Hal Lindsey was now, is not the fool many make him out to be.
You left out the obvious candidate, Jerusalem of AD 70.
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Was going to scroll by this one but when it fully registered on my cranium,
I WAS SHOCKED by it’s absurdity.
There’s tons of Biblical reasons Jersalem of AD 70 simply will not fit at all.
Cannot be shoehorned into it remotely, at all./
What nonsense.
No, I won’t provide refs, yet.
In due time.
I’m more convinced than ever
That when
GOD SAID: BABYLON
GOD MEANT: BABYLON.
Sure, there are all kinds of symbolic meanings which ALSO MAY APPLY.
But I’m more convinced than ever that God literally meant the literal city and location of BABYLON.
Perhaps will share some of the reasons I’m more convinced than ever . . . later.
I agree. It should be easy for anyone to check what the actual 9-11 text in the Koran is from the numerous scripts on-line.
Furthermore, the chapter and verse numbering of the Koran is a modern concept that came in western translations. The Koran is divided into chapters with names (not numbers) and the muslims don’t use the numbers for chapters.
And many Biblical reasons why the city that rejected the One who longed to shelter it under His wings, that in fact crucified God's ambassador, could be called "Babylon," the focal point of idolatry and every foul spirit.
But then, if you're into fortune telling, the plain literal sense of the time framework is too boring to take seriously. I mean, how could anyone as important as ME live at any time other than the culmination of the ages?
I drove through Ithaca last week - it seems the local pastime is posting anti-bush signs all over cars and windows and everyone thinks they are so cool because of it.
Hogwash on both counts.
One simple Biblical fact . . .
Scripture indicates that when Babylon is finally utterly destroyed in the End Times . . .
that it will NEVER EVER BE LIVED IN AGAIN BY ANY HUMANS; THAT NOT EVEN GOAT HERDS WILL EVER AGAIN INHABIT OR EVEN WANDER THROUGH THAT AREA.
Have you been to Jerusalem in this era? I have.
Guess what—lots of folks living there.
Doesn’t fit.
NO WAY Jerusalem—especially in A.D. 70 would fit the role of prophecied Babylon of the END TIMES.
What nonsense. Not remotely Biblical or logical.
Until the past year or so I’ve agreed with the Hal Lindsey scenerio... and have ever since I found my mom’s copy of Late Great Planet Earth in the early 80s when I was like 8.
But lets not lose sight that in his first editions he placed a lot of influence on Communism. And at the time Islam’s 3rd Jihad on the world was not as clear as a global movement as it is now.. so since everyone interprets these things in the context of one’s current historical trends , I’ve found myself reexamining my past opinions.
Islam has too many hooks into Israel and too many (false) connections to God for it to be dismissed in favor of some European political resurgance... heck.. demography says Europe will be weaker than ever in a few decades and Islamisizing.
In Rev John states that there is one more World Empire of the Babylon System that had yet to be at the time Rev was written:
17:9 (This requires a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: 17:10 five [Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek] have fallen; one is [Rome] ,26 and the other has not yet come [The Islamic Caliphate that took over the Eastern Roman Empire] , but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time. 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven, and is going to destruction.
The End Time King is described in Daniel 8 as coming from one of the quarters of the former Greek empire... the South East quadrant... the Middle East... not Europe. Note the spiritual power this small horn has... I think Islam is powerful enough to meet this description. Europe has no spiritual power any more.
8:9 From one of them [the components of the Greek empire] came a small horn. But it grew to be very big, toward the south and the east and toward the beautiful land. It grew so big it reached the army of heaven, and it brought about the fall of some of the army and some of the stars to the ground, where it trampled them. It also acted arrogantly against the Prince of the army, from whom the daily sacrifice was removed and whose sanctuary was thrown down. The army was given over, along with the daily sacrifice, in the course of his sinful rebellion. It hurled truth to the ground and enjoyed success.
In Dan 8:23, Gabriel explains the symbolism above:
8:23 Toward the end of their rule [the end of the Greek empire], when rebellious acts are complete, a rash and deceitful king will arise. His power will be great, but it will not be by his strength alone. He will cause terrible destruction. He will be successful in what he undertakes. He will destroy powerful people and the people of the holy ones. By his treachery he will succeed through deceit. He will have an arrogant attitude, and he will destroy many who are unaware of his schemes. He will rise up against the Prince of princes, yet he will be broken apart – but not by human agency.The vision of the evenings and mornings that was told to you is correct. But you should seal up the vision, for it refers to a time many days from now.”
For Europe to be the land where all this is going on just seems to be future ahistorical ... Europe is dying.. it is in no position to impose the types of things that the End Time beast empire must do.
Antichrist - Islam's Awaited Messiah by Joel Richardson - great book detailing the parallels between Christian and Islamic eschatology
Will Islam be our Future? - online precursor to the more comprehensive book at first link
Author's website/blog - http://www.joels-trumpet.com/
The Riddle of the Seven Kings - very good article (writing's a little stilted but content is compelling) about the 8th kingdom being Islamic
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