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STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!
me | 05-17-2007 | Me

Posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:05 PM PDT by Cacique

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Don’t try to get people banned ...

Why not ? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Do you really want to read a story all over the wires about a Freeper who starts his own armed resistance against the POTUS ? There are left wing nuts and there are right wing nuts. Some people just go nuts over one issue or another. We have to protect FR from that kind of publicity. Some people just lose themselves and you are better to separate them from the herd.

281 posted on 05/21/2007 6:35:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: bmwcyle
DON'T LET UP ON THE PRESSURE!

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

282 posted on 05/21/2007 7:15:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: af_vet_1981

A lot of things that are done in this country anymore are traitorous. While its mostly the Democrats doing this, Republicans aren’t exempt from doing the exact same thing. Neither party is perfect.


283 posted on 05/21/2007 11:43:25 PM PDT by jaredt112
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To: af_vet_1981

And for the record, I am not calling Bush a traitor. I’m saying what he is doing with this bill is traitorous. There’s a difference.


284 posted on 05/21/2007 11:44:10 PM PDT by jaredt112
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To: jaredt112

Money talks. I just got a request for money from the RNC yesterday. I sent the envelope back with no check and a strongly worded note about how I will not support the party so long as it continues to sell out our security and conservative principles.

Contact the RNC and express your outrage:

Office of the Chairman
Mike Duncan, RNC Chairman
Phone: 202-863-8700
Fax: 202-863-8820
Email: Chairman@gop.com

Office of the Co-Chairman
Jo Ann Davidson, Co-Chairman
Phone: 202-863-8545
Fax: 202-863-8631
Email: Info@gop.com

Finance
Marketing
Donor Programs
Phone: 202-863-8720
Fax: 202-863-8690
Email: Finance@gop.com

Political
Campaign Operations
Voter Programs
Phone: 202-863-8600
Fax: 202-863-8808
Email: Political@gop.com

Contact the NRSC to express your outrage:
National Republican Senatorial Committee
Ronald Reagan Republican Center
425 2nd Street NE
Washington, DC 20002
Telephone: (202) 675-6000

Contact the NRCC to express your outrage:

National Republican Congressional Committee
320 First Street, S.E
Washington, D.C. 20003

NRCC Main Number - (202) 479-7000
Information on Contributing - (202) 479-7000
Executive - (202)479-7000
Administration - (202)479-7000
Finance - (202)479-7000
Communications - (202)479-7000


285 posted on 05/22/2007 11:09:00 AM PDT by caphillbabe
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To: Cacique

I forgot to say BRAVO! Great article, and I like the photo of your dad.


286 posted on 05/22/2007 3:27:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Cacique
 
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287 posted on 05/22/2007 7:25:13 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Cacique; kabar; Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
Please take the time to read the original post at the beginning of this thread. It's impossible to overstate how urgently our future depends on a deeper understanding of this material.

Also of note, if you have time, I'd suggest reading post #37 on this same thread. Link to #37

Pass it along!

288 posted on 05/22/2007 8:02:55 PM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: Cacique
INSTEAD INVEST IN POSTAGE STAMPS. There is nothing more impressive than postal service trucks showing up at congress with bags full of envelopes with paper mail.

I have a vague feeling that this is correct. The problem is, whom to address and whom to ignore in addressing the mail?

I would not waste my time writing to genuine nutjobs like that stoned driver Migden, Boxer, or insane Pelosi.

How effective is it to write to my own senators and representatives?
Does it make more sense to write to committees and their chairmen?

The process is stacked against the citizen who wants to be engaged.
Checked out the rules and regulations just to do mass mailing to your neighbors? Non-profit status? It boggles the mind, and ensures only "approved players" get to play. As individuals, we're essentially political capons...

289 posted on 05/23/2007 11:49:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: kabar
Hunter is good on illegal immigration, but he doesn’t have a clue on the problems with legal immigration, which in the long run is far more dangerous to this country’s future.

That is a totally useless and baseless opinion.
How have you managed to troll since 2002?

Attacking legal immigration is the dumbest thing I have seen in years, and does not even remotely represent the overwhelming number of Freepers.

Good luck!

290 posted on 05/23/2007 11:55:58 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Cacique
This should add additional motivation for us all:

Rewarding Illegal Aliens: Senate Bill Undermines The Rule of Law

Quick outline of the content:

...The following are ten of the worst provisions—by no means an exhaustive list—of Title VI of the bill...

  1. A Massive Amnesty
  2. The Permanent "Temporary" Visa
  3. Hobbled Background Checks
  4. Amnesty for "Absconders"
  5. Reverse Justice
  6. Enforcement of Amnesty, Not Laws
  7. Amnesty for Gang Members
  8. Tuition Subsidies for Illegal Aliens
  9. Taxpayer-Funded Lawyers for Illegal Aliens
  10. Amnesty Before Enforcement Triggers

291 posted on 05/23/2007 11:59:44 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished

I encourage everyone to read this article. The devil is truly in the details. I was nauseous after reading it.


292 posted on 05/23/2007 12:00:26 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Publius6961
Attacking legal immigration is the dumbest thing I have seen in years, and does not even remotely represent the overwhelming number of Freepers.

Legal immigration policies are a bigger problem than illegal immigration and much more difficult to solve. I don't care what represents the majority of Freepers or not, but I do know the issue far better than you do.

We do need to change the existing immigration laws that are not serving us well as a nation. We are taking in more legal immigrants than ever before, just not the ones we need to provide us with the skills and talents required to keep us competitive in the global economy.

What is going on today is unprecedented in our nation's history. Here are some facts gleaned from Bureau of the Census data that provide an indication of what is really happening:

---The 35.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) living in the country in March 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two and a half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910.

---Between January 2000 and March 2005, 7.9 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the country, making it the highest five-year period of immigration in American history.

---Immigrants account for 12.1 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in eight decades. If current trends continue, within a decade it will surpass the high of 14.7 percent reached in 1910.

---Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, three-and-a-half times the rate for natives. Since 1990, immigration has increased the number of such workers by 25 percent, while increasing the supply of all other workers by 6 percent.

---The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households.

---The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 18.4 percent, 57 percent higher than the 11.7 percent for natives and their children. Immigrants and their minor children account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.

---One-third of immigrants lack health insurance -- two-and-one‑half times the rate for natives. Immigrants and their U.S.‑born children account for almost three-fourths (nine million) of the increase in the uninsured population since 1989.

A central question for immigration policy is: Should we allow in so many people with little education, which increases job competition for the poorest American workers and the size of the population needing government assistance? How did we get into this predicament in the first place?

Prior to 1965, the US was taking around 178,000 legal immigrants annually. In 1965, Congress replaced the national origins system with a preference system designed to unite immigrant families and attract skilled immigrants to the United States. With these changes and some subsequent ones, the result was that most of our legal immigrants now come from Asia and Latin America, and not Europe. Chain migration designed to unite families has also brought in aged parents, children, uncles, etc., many of whom are not contributing to our society and in fact, require more social services. Even with quotas in certain immigration categories, we are now legalizing the status of over one million people annually and millions more are waiting in lines overseas for their turn to come in. Chain migration has also changed the "mix" of immigrants, making it less diverse.

Mexico accounts for 31 percent of all immigrants, with 10.8 million immigrants living in United States, more than the number of immigrants from any other region of the world. Immigrants from Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean account for the majority of immigrants, with 54 percent of the foreign‑born coming from these areas. Of those who arrived 2000 to 2005, 58 percent are from Latin America. This lack of diversity has hindered assimilation and could well result in the Balkanization of the country by language and culture.

We need a rational, sensible immigration policy for many reasons, some of them economic and some of them cultural, i.e., the ability to assimilate these massive numbers into our society . Since 1970, the population of the US has increased by 100 million; since 1990; by 53 million; and since 2000 by 20 million or the equivalent of our six largest cities. The Bureau of the Census projects that we will have 364 million by 2030 and over 400 million by 2050 with one-quarter of the population being Hispanic. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor or three-fourths of all U.S. population growth. If this current Senate bill passes, our LEGAL immigration rate will increase threefold to 3 million a year, which will inflate the numbers above. Chain migration has an exponential effect. We could well have a population of over 500 million by 2050.

These additional people will require infrastructure [roads, water, electricity, gasoline, etc.], and impact our schools, hospitals, social welfare systems, penal system, etc. Couple these increases with an aging US population faced with entitlement programs about to go belly-up in 10 years and you have some serious public policy issues that could threaten the future of this country.

Just as Social Security is the third rail of American politics, so is real immigration reform. No one really talks about decreasing the numbers of legal immigrants or changing the laws to give us a system that acts to benefit this country in terms of supplying us with people who will contribute economically to our national well-being. We are after all a "nation of immigrants" and our politicians and others speak as though we have gone through all of this before. No one is against legal immigration, and some even want to increase the numbers. The real fact is that we are taking in unprecedented numbers of legal immigrants and when you add an additional 500,000 to one million illegal aliens annually, you have a recipe for disaster.

I compare what is happening in terms of immigration to the oft-repeated example of boiling a frog who is put in a pot of cold water with the heat slowing being increased until the frog realizes too late that it is being boiled alive. Eventually, the American people will realize what is happening. It will come down to whom do you believe, the political elites' spin or "your own lyin' eyes."

The illegal immigration problem is easier to correct than the issues surrounding legal immigration. To me, the greater problem is legal immigration and our existing laws that contain the seeds of our own destruction. America is the world's lifeboat, the best hope of Man, but there are limits to the numbers we can bring onboard without swamping us. We already take in more legal immigrants than probably the rest of the world combined. We need, as a country, a public policy debate on this issue--a debate not marked by demagoguery and name calling.

293 posted on 05/23/2007 1:11:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Legal immigration policies are a bigger problem than illegal immigration and much more difficult to solve. I don't care what represents the majority of Freepers or not, but I do know the issue far better than you do.

I'm sure you do; I won't discuss megalomania with you.

Here's the problem. Many if not most of the issues you have with legal immigration are actually "illegal immigrant" issues. Confounding the principal current main issue is simply a time-proven means of failure.

It's like you arguing and insisting that we must address the termite problem when my house is on fire. I have a certain level of tolerance for obsessive personalities, but not in this case.
There is an immediate and serious problem. It needs addressing. If your reach exceeds your grasp, enjoy it. I am focusing on the real world, the realm of the possible and not pipe dreams.
Insist on all and fail, or focus on one victory at a time, and perhaps have some hope of change.

294 posted on 05/23/2007 1:28:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: kabar

You’re right.

Our Nation is being radically transformed by a process that is mostly legal.

The Mosques springing up like mushrooms in our homeland cater mostly to LEGAL immigrants.


295 posted on 05/23/2007 1:45:07 PM PDT by RodgerD (Mexico-Merger is Treason. Those who bring it about are Traitors.)
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To: Publius6961
I'm sure you do; I won't discuss megalomania with you.

LOL. That remark doesn't even make sense in the context of this discussion.

Here's the problem. Many if not most of the issues you have with legal immigration are actually "illegal immigrant" issues. Confounding the principal current main issue is simply a time-proven means of failure.

For instance? There are two sets of issues, one having to do with people who come here legally and those that don't. Where they become related is when we give the illegals amnesty and imbue them with a legalized status that allows them through chain migration, to bring in more of their relatives. A large majority of our adult LEGAL immigrants don't have even a high school education. Does it make sense to bring in high school dropouts while we tell our kids to stay in school recognizing that education determines how well you do in this society? The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households

It's like you arguing and insisting that we must address the termite problem when my house is on fire. I have a certain level of tolerance for obsessive personalities, but not in this case.

The fire is easier to put out than solving the termite problem, as strained as that analogy is. The current senate bill touches on items like chain migration and the "rights" of the illegals. Once we give the 12 to 20 million illegals legal status, then they are entitled to many of the benefits enjoyed by other legal residents of this country, including chain migration. The 12 to 20 million quickly becomes many more people who will also become legal residents of this country. You can build all the fences you want, but once these 12 to 20 million are legalized, the game is over. That is what people like Rector and Samuelson are talking about.


296 posted on 05/23/2007 2:10:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Publius6961
There is an immediate and serious problem. It needs addressing. If your reach exceeds your grasp, enjoy it. I am focusing on the real world, the realm of the possible and not pipe dreams. Insist on all and fail, or focus on one victory at a time, and perhaps have some hope of change.

The real problem is immigration, legal and illegal. Twice as many people come here legally every year than illegally. We also have several million more coming here on "temporary" visas.

If you are really serious about the subject, something I have had firsthand experience with, professionally and personally, I suggest you read the following:"

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington

Two Sides of the Same Coin: The Connection Between Legal and Illegal Immigration

Chain Migration

DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY.

297 posted on 05/23/2007 2:42:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Cacique

truth!!!!


298 posted on 05/25/2007 12:50:18 PM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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To: Cacique

White guilt seems to be the single force driving liberals. It’s completely irrational, and as we’ve seen, dangerous.


299 posted on 05/26/2007 3:37:14 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Publius6961

Well, there are reasons to attack the legal immigration program that we have.

First, it makes it very difficult for skilled individuals to come to this country. I’ve had friends from Romania and France that tried to come here for years. One French girl just gave up and went to Canada. She speaks fluent English, has a degree in engineering, and would have been a fabulous asset to our country.

Our immigration system, like Romney suggests, is upside down. The unskilled labororer who doesn’t speak English is on the fasttrack here. The skilled, educated, and fluent English speaker, especially from Europe, is stonewalled by beaurocracy.

We need to work at bringing skilled people here who come from a comparable background. Less of the Arabic baggage, too. More from Asia and Eastern Europe.


300 posted on 05/26/2007 3:47:53 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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