That is obviously what this was all about for the left. We're not exactly coming down off the mountain with tablets with that news.
Posted on 06/30/2007 4:02:33 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
That is obviously what this was all about for the left. We're not exactly coming down off the mountain with tablets with that news.
Absolutely! There was a story the other day about these document factories getting fired up to be able to produce documents that would show/prove illegals have been here from whatever the magic date was going to be even if you arrived just yesterday. If it needed to be 12/31/2006 they could do it or 12/31/2002 or whatever. All kinds of documents from birth certificates to driver licences to utility bills.
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need welfare reform. There are a large % of welfare recepients that could work. This will help alleviate the so called shortage filled by illegals.
Not sure I'm getting your point. We were discussing anchor babies and whether they should be considered legal citizens when their parent(s) broke the law to achieve that status. In other words, but for the illegal entry the babies would not be citizens. I wonder if you would explain your rationale. That's like saying "we'll let you give your child a stolen car, but only if you're able to steal it".
What was the question again?
Sort of. If we were somehow magically able to round up and expel all 12-20 million illegals, it would hurt our economy tremendously. Like it or not, cheap labor drives down the prices of many goods and services we take for granted.
The more intelligent way to do it is to separate the hard workers who only come for a better life from the riff raff that want to smuggle drugs and people across our borders, commiting other crimes besides simply entering illegally.
If we make the punishment too onerous, most illegals simply won't cooperate and we are stuck with perpetuating the same mess we have today.
My first preference is to build a very strong secure border - across from Canada. There are more terrorists entering the U.S. with ties to Canada than Mexico.
Next, we build a very strong secure border across from Mexico. This will stop the immigration tide and the charges of racism will be blunted because we first built up the border with Canada. See? it's not racism. We built a fence across the north, too.
Finally, we incentivize the illegals already here and we do that not by giving them stiff fines that many are too poor to pay. We, instead, ask them to come forward for visas which will require them to be fingerprinted, DNA sampled and photographed into a national database so law enforcement throughout the country will know who they are. Whenever stopped, they will need to produce their visa for the next five years or risk deportation. Meanwhile, the photos, prints and DNA will be matched against outstanding crimes to see if any are already criminals who should be deported. Those with no visa and no proof of citizenship would eventually be deported without further cause so the ones opting to continue "in the shadows" will eventually be found and removed.
After five years with no criminal record, those visa holders who wish to become citizens may do so if they can meet certain qualifications like proficiency in English, a steady job, pass a test about our system of government and an oath to put this country's welfare above all others.
But my "amnesty" comes with a cost - a giving up of certain privacy rights and a probabtionary period before one can apply for citizenship.
IMO, Step 3 (my visa plan) is viably unfeasable without Step 2 (securing the southern border) and Step 2 will be politically unfeasable without Step 1 (securing the northern border so this can be sold as an anti-terrorism measure rather than an anti-immigration measure).
I know and understand that some of you will be offended that people will be able to violate U.S. laws and essentially get away with it. If this problem were among the hundreds of illegals, and not the millions, I would be there with you. But the problem has become so overwhelming now that it makes more sense to me to accept the situation and get a handle on border security first, then find a way to keep the "good" illegals and deport only the "bad" illegals - which won't happen if we tar all illegals with the same brush. So by exonerating some of the group in order to find and deport the worst of the group, we are sacrificing a legal prinicipal for the most practical end result.
Some of you who simply hate that your neighbors might have a surname that ends with "-ez" won't be happy with the suggestion but, take it from a Texan, the Mexican people are not somebody to fear. It's the bad element that needs to be removed and let the rest of them have the chance to experience the American opoortunity as immigrants have done in America from when it first began.
Namely enforce the laws that we have on the books now.
Why no, Mr. Orwell, and you know why.
I support your ideas 100%! Short and to the point which is something Senators that supported Immigration could not seem to grasp or this President.
Uhhh... NO!
LLS
The fence.
One of the things that absolutely floored me was the interview that Sean Hannity had with Duncan Hunter a few weeks ago. (you know, that evil talk radio where voters and citizens get to hear their elected officials answer tough questions).
Duncan Hunter told Sean that he recently had a meeting with President Bush and told him that only 11 miles of the border fence was actually complete. President Bush didn’t know this. He was surprised.
WTF?
No amnesty. Legal immigration is the only route permissible and even that needs change.
NOPE
“If the border were truly secure, would you be in favor of a similar bill?”
No. It’s like asking a homeowner to forgive a criminal trespasser who broke into their home because they were poor.
Someone somewhere must answer for this criminal trespass upon our land. We pay taxes to the federal govt to protect and defend the citizens of the United States from sea to shining sea. This includes our borders to the south and to the north. Obviously the federal govt has wasted our money on other projects and have none to defend our own borders.
Perhaps it is the fed govt who should answer for these crimes of criminal trespass. Since it is the federal govt which is eager to provide amnesty for these crimes against our sovereignty, we all should march on DC to demand a refund. We should demand a refund for the federal govts failure to protect and defend our shores.
But nooooooo! The vast majority of us are too busy making a living and paying taxes to march and protest. The federal govt knows this. That’s why their illegal actions are so bold. And that’s why the failure of the federal govt to do it’s sworn duty will not be punished.
No
No. We are a nation of laws, not men. When we decide that it is politically and economically expedient to exempt a certain group of people from the law, it undermines the entire basis of our societal compact. No one may be above the law.
Odd that you think that not providing amnesty to 12 million illegal aliens is a buzzsaw. Who are you?
Well said. That was the reason for my anger about the amnesty bill. Don't insult my intelligence by pissing on my leg and then tell me that it's raining.
Tell us the truth. Do what you say you are going to do. That's my message to the Gubmint.
It's really not very complicated. Same as any other personal or business relationship. Don't lie to us and then expect people to believe you when you swear you are telling the truth this time.
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