Posted on 06/30/2007 4:02:33 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
The defeat of the amnesty bill is indeed a great day for America. The noble concept of a "Government by the people, for the people" has worked exactly the way our founding fathers intended. Our public serpents have heard the voice of their constituents and acted according to their wishes by defeating this train wreck of a bill.
In the absence of an actual intellectual argument, proponents of amnesty relied on the lowest common denominator of civil public discourse...when you have no facts to back you up, just call your opponent names like doodyhead, racist, bigot, redneck or nativist.
Apparently the elitist left wingers who were eager for new Democratic voters and the elitist Wall Street Journal right wingers who were frothing at the mouth at the idea of a cheap labor pool were shocked. They were used to having their way while the unwashed masses were busy paying attention to Paris Hilton, American Idol or Anna Nicole Smith.
Americans told them in no uncertain terms: We are not stupid. We are performing our civic duty by paying attention to our government. The message is so simple that even a retard can understand it...PROVE TO US THAT YOU CAN ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS BEFORE PASSING NEW LAWS THAT YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY ENFORCE.
They claimed that "we haven't read the bill and don't understand it. There are too many moving parts." No. We've read the bill. They haven't. Sure there were some good parts: ending chain migration, increasing the number of visas available for highly skilled employees.
This is certainly not over.
Speaking strictly for myself, I have nothing personally against people trying to come to America to better their lives. Besides the felony crime of breaking into a sovereign nation illegally, the only other "crime" many of these illegals have committed is mowing our lawn, landscaping our yard and picking our fruit. We don't hate anyone.
My parents were first generation LEGAL immigrants. Many of your parents, grandparents and great grandparents came here for the same reason.
We all understand that. What people like Bob Menendez and Mel Martinez don't understand is that when people came here at the turn of the last century there was no welfare state. Come one, come all. If you fail, don't look to the Gubmint to bail you out and provide social services at the taxpayers expense. We are in a different world.
So I am curious and our elected public serpents who were shocked by the outcry from their constituents are too. President Bush is a "lame duck" supposedly. He certainly won't accomplish any new legislative initiatives. However, he still has the power as President to see to it that existing laws are enforced. That means build the fence that was authorized and funded in October of 2006.
Then come back to us and talk about Comprehensive Immigration Reform. If the border were truly secure, would you be in favor of a similar bill?
NO!
Wow, I walked into a buzzsaw it seems.
“Why would they need forged documents if they were given amnesty?”
Why wouldnt they? They are here ILLEGALLY....
They came here ILLEGALLY..They continue to live ILLEGAL lives...(Teddy calls this “living in the shadows”. something most criminals do)
They are 25,000,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS...
That's the funny thing about it. Mexico is very strict in actually enforcing THEIR immigration laws.
Why pander to rootless foreign criminals, regardless how secure the border is?
We must force them to build and man it, then enforce the laws with regard to employers who hire the illegals, then quickly find a way to make sure that illegals no longer can use false documents to get US bennies and jobs. Finally, make sure the Gummint does not back out of enforcing the laws they passed. I fear they will, given their history of obfuscation and delays.
We were talking about the 86 amnesty bill. You took it out of context. Understandable.
How can you ignore, let alone exclude, 12-20 million already here?
My humble apologies I hit the wrong reply button.
Because they had to meet certain minimum criteria like length of residence, etc. Just like in the current bill that would have required an applicant to have been here before the first of this year, have no criminal history, and whatever else they were trying to pull over our eyes. That's why so many people thought the current bill would have increased illegal immigration, not stopped it. We've seen all this before.
You posted it to get a “no on amnesty” response just like the other 10,000 immigration posts.
There is no open debate here, only pure lockstep groupthink. Any other opinions are censored or ran out by thuggish tactics.
Pray for W and Our Troops
‘Anchor babies’, so far as I know, is the term used for ILLEGAL immigrants having children, so they can stay with that child. It has NOTHING to do with people who come here LEGALLY. My ancestors are from England, Scotland, Ireland, and American Indian. All of the ones we have documented came here as LEGAL immigrants. I don’t know of anyone who opposes those who come to this country legally, and stay legally.
No, I agree we need some sort of temporary agricultural workers, but they have to be truly temporary. They come for the harvest, their employer is responsible for all their housing, care, etc. and then they go home. They can reapply the next year.
“I’m just a bill, only a bill....sittin’ here on Capitol Hill....”
“We were talking about the 86 amnesty bill. You took it out of context. Understandable”
I was talking about the 1986 Amnesty Bill also...
Your answer deliberately twisted my words...
Understandable
The worst thing about the status quo is that illegal aliens, by virtue of their covert status, are so susceptible to being taken advantage of. It's tragic - many don't dare go to the police when they are victims of crime, for fear that they will be deported. It creates an entire underclass who are taken advantage of by pimps, gangsters, con artists, and soulless corporations.
It's just not humane to let illegal aliens stay here covertly. If we're going to keep them here, find out who they are, deport the criminals, and legalize the rest.
As far as the fence goes, yeah I'd build it, because we all know doing things legally is not even a consideration by most of them. They're here, they're in our faces, they keep coming, and they're supported by country club republicans who care more about their pocket books than our nation's sovereignty.
Just my 2 cents.
“How about this: They can never be legal voting citizens, but if the border fence is built in it’s entirety, they can be legal permanent residents or at least guest workers?”
You have already proven that ..
Either you dont know what you are talking about...
Or you are just trolling...
I saw something about that. It’s not a bad idea on the surface, although giving non-citizens legal standing to file civil actions has the potential to get a bunch of people claiming “common-law citizenship.”
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