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Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane
July 28, 2007 | do the dhue

Posted on 07/28/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by do the dhue

"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!" - General Giap, North Vietnam (memoirs)

Our fighting men in Vietnam took back the ground the NVA took during Tet. Before the Tet dust was even settled, people like Kronkite and Hanoi Jane convinced the American people the US Embassy in South Vietnam had been over run and it was time for us to run. As a matter of fact, a wall was breached. I believe a few Marines on the roof shot the leader and the rest turn tail and fled. But to Kronkite and the rest of the news media the Embassy had been over run.

Read the words of General Gaip. Once the North Vietnamise saw what our media was doing, they said hang on one more day, one week, one more month. Their Army was defeated but the media still gave the enemy resolve. Now, let's look at the resolve of Scary Reid and other demortic leaders.

Reid has no resolve. He thinks the war is lost. Gaip had his Army destroyed and he still had resolve. Reid has the greatest Army in the history of the world and he thinks the war is lost. The leaders of the demoratic party must understand that we live in a nuclear age. We can not wait for the enemy to bring the war to us. We must bring the war to them.

The media and the demoratic leaders must understand that the stakes are higher then they were in Vietnam. They say the war is going bad. Well, we were in WWII for four years and we lost 290,000. We have been in Iraq for four years and we lost 3,500 people. I am damn proud of my Troops. They are in the heart of the Middle East. A place that burns my flag and hates my guts. They are hunting and killing Al Qeada over there. We are taking the war to our enemy. Thank God for our Troops.

I can not thank God for the leaders in the demoratic Party though. More like, thank Satan. The rats say I was optimistic 2 years ago, so we need to pull out. Your dang right I was optimistic. I am still optimistic. I see that we have rebuilt infrastructure, there is a Iraqi Stock Market, I have heard of good reports in regards to the reflection of the Iraqi economy. I have heard that over 300,000 Iraqi Troops have been trained. I have heard the Police force is growing. I have heard that tribal leaders are working with the Iraqi Army and Police. Tough times don't last. Tough people do. We will help the Iraqi people stand for them self in times of trouble. We have to.

Pull out pf Iraq to early and what happens next will be on the liberals. Not on me. I hear there is some scuffling going on in Southern Iraq now. Well, I believe the British have pulled out or have begun to pull out of Southern Iraq. They may have left to early. We don't need to be listening to our media and treasonous politicians. I think Gaip was a right. I think we should listen to his words.

If Gaip is right, then resolve at home is mighty important. Resolve can win or lose wars people. If thge rats support our Troops, then they support victory. Our Troops are not fighting to lose. The rats need some resolve and they need to support the mission. Tight now, we need that Defense bill passed and I do mean now. And we don't need any crazy Amendments to it that effect the execution of the war.

I want to ask the demorats this:

When was the last time you heard anyone in your party say "we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival of liberty"?

- JFK

I don't hear that from the likes of Hanoi Jane. If she had it her way, she would change her name to Jihad Jane. I stood with a bunch of Vietnam Vets on March 17th at the Gathering of eagles in DC. I heard a lot of them say that they did not want Hanoi Jane to do to our Troops what she had done to them in Vietnam. I stand firmly with these people. And I say Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane. I will be in DC on September 15, 2007 at the Gathering of Eagles. I have resolve. I wish liberals recognized the importance of resolve. (I think they do and that is why they act the way they do. They really want us to lose.)

Thanks for listening,
do the dhue


TOPICS: War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: gaip; gatheringofeagles; iraq; media
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To: do the dhue

Thanks to Walter Cronkite ... he came out that we lost TET (BMT) on the news ...we were defeated by our own government and the MSM ... now they want to do it again .....


21 posted on 07/28/2007 3:41:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("If builders built airplanes the way FAA writes FARs then the first pilot would have been a woman")
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To: do the dhue

5 Million SE Asian Murders thanks to Jane & John.

Pray for W and Our Troops


22 posted on 07/28/2007 3:43:08 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: 31M20RedDevil
Hell,back then our enemy didn`t want to kill us all.Today with an enemy that does the MSM & Dims still want us to surrender.

Truly amazing. I think this might say it all:
And they still don't get it. Folks like Peloser running over to Syria:


It is treason and I will call it treason. If they don't like it, they shouldn't give me a reason to say it.

Thank you for your service. It is greatly appreciated.

23 posted on 07/28/2007 3:44:44 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: bray

I pray every day.


24 posted on 07/28/2007 3:45:08 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Jane’s fifteen minutes were used up on Cat Ballou and Barbarella. Anything else is just weeing in the wind.


25 posted on 07/28/2007 3:48:05 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: SkyDancer
I got ammo in this keyboard. They say the pen is mightier then the sword. Well, that should make my keyboard a M203 grenade launcher. I will fight. Maybe, the Internet can get news out faster.

Like if something like Tet accord with the invention of the Internet. Folks could get the news out quicker and put an end to slander easier. Maybe, the Embassy gets a message out to the world that they had not been overrun and Kronkite goes down.

maybe?

26 posted on 07/28/2007 3:48:46 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: muawiyah

“unemployed, disliked, ignored, forgotten, and eternally drunk”

That’s how the MSM and Hollywood characterized Vietnam veterans for years and years! And so I too wish the same fate upon them.

):^(


27 posted on 07/28/2007 3:51:00 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: expatpat

Krankheit is either a headache or a pain in the @$$. My German has been better.


28 posted on 07/28/2007 3:51:26 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: do the dhue

Well since Walter Crankcase is no longer in the MSM as a reporter it’s moot but there were/are other’s that fill his shoes ....


29 posted on 07/28/2007 4:02:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("If builders built airplanes the way FAA writes FARs then the first pilot would have been a woman")
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To: do the dhue
“Reid has no resolve. He thinks the war is lost.”

That’s far, far too kind to Reid. He’s really afraid that we’re winning, which will mean that he’ll personally lose.

Reid’s a traitor that puts his political ambition ahead of his concern for the interests of America. A true scumbag.

30 posted on 07/28/2007 4:14:46 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: do the dhue; ASA Vet; Grampa Dave; ALOHA RONNIE; SandRat; kabar


Giap's armies lost the '72 Easter Offensive and was rewarded by making the cover of Time



Giap does not try to conceal that the success of the final North Vietnamese advance to victory depended on the U.S. departure in 1975 and on the politically crippled position of President Richard M. Nixon. He also reveals the worry that surrounded the possibility of subsequent American reintervention in response to North Vietnamese offensive moves.


31 posted on 07/28/2007 4:16:36 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: vetsvette

you make a true statement.


32 posted on 07/28/2007 4:32:41 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: BIGLOOK
Tonk would be proud of you. Nailing Jane Fondue and Kreepy Keery with the REDS own words now permit me to add one more piece


33 posted on 07/28/2007 4:34:18 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: BIGLOOK

I have heard and seen that Giap quote many times. Does anyone know if this is really what is written in the book? Or is a ready for snopes.com story?


34 posted on 07/28/2007 4:37:38 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: BIGLOOK

The American people need to learn from this.


35 posted on 07/28/2007 4:41:14 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: All; BIGLOOK

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Communist North Vietnam’s first plan to cut Free South Vietnam in half at the Central Highlands and then make a run for the Capitol City of Saigon and victory...

...was STOPPED cold by our U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment in the Valley of Death known as the IA DRANG Valley of November 1965.

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

.

Years later...

WALTER CRONKITE undercut our heroic efforts by calling America’s TET Offensive victory a defeat on National TV.

Then after Sen. TED KENNEDY pushed a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress into cutting off all our fundng for the then Free South Vietnamese to fight for their own Freedom with so very sadly came:

Pictures of a vietnamse Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

.

DEJA VU now, perhaps..?

.


36 posted on 07/28/2007 4:52:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SandRat
I ought to pick up that book soon, Sandy. The people in it are the same people (and their surrogates) who dissented and opposed the VN conflict, later to be rewarded with fame and power for walking on our dead and the Viet Namese we left behind.

After VN, back in school, I ran into a lot of 'em. They preached 'Moral Courage' to support their position against the war.


I answered back simply; I didn't have the 'Moral Courage' to run away.
37 posted on 07/28/2007 4:58:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thank you for your great service to our Country. I said it before, it is greatly appreciated from the bottom of my heart on this thread, and I mean it too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OeI-84t7R-M&mode=related&search=

God Bless all of our Troops.

38 posted on 07/28/2007 5:02:02 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: Right Wing Assault; BIGLOOK
Possible snopes material. Consider:

Ed Moise has already tackled this one [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.

This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up on the war.

Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985 memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Of course, even if the Giap quotes are bogus it takes nothing away from the main point: the media helped pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

39 posted on 07/28/2007 5:02:43 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: BIGLOOK
I didn't have the 'Moral Courage' to run away.

Thank you for standing your post.

40 posted on 07/28/2007 5:03:09 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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