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Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane
July 28, 2007 | do the dhue

Posted on 07/28/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by do the dhue

"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!" - General Giap, North Vietnam (memoirs)

Our fighting men in Vietnam took back the ground the NVA took during Tet. Before the Tet dust was even settled, people like Kronkite and Hanoi Jane convinced the American people the US Embassy in South Vietnam had been over run and it was time for us to run. As a matter of fact, a wall was breached. I believe a few Marines on the roof shot the leader and the rest turn tail and fled. But to Kronkite and the rest of the news media the Embassy had been over run.

Read the words of General Gaip. Once the North Vietnamise saw what our media was doing, they said hang on one more day, one week, one more month. Their Army was defeated but the media still gave the enemy resolve. Now, let's look at the resolve of Scary Reid and other demortic leaders.

Reid has no resolve. He thinks the war is lost. Gaip had his Army destroyed and he still had resolve. Reid has the greatest Army in the history of the world and he thinks the war is lost. The leaders of the demoratic party must understand that we live in a nuclear age. We can not wait for the enemy to bring the war to us. We must bring the war to them.

The media and the demoratic leaders must understand that the stakes are higher then they were in Vietnam. They say the war is going bad. Well, we were in WWII for four years and we lost 290,000. We have been in Iraq for four years and we lost 3,500 people. I am damn proud of my Troops. They are in the heart of the Middle East. A place that burns my flag and hates my guts. They are hunting and killing Al Qeada over there. We are taking the war to our enemy. Thank God for our Troops.

I can not thank God for the leaders in the demoratic Party though. More like, thank Satan. The rats say I was optimistic 2 years ago, so we need to pull out. Your dang right I was optimistic. I am still optimistic. I see that we have rebuilt infrastructure, there is a Iraqi Stock Market, I have heard of good reports in regards to the reflection of the Iraqi economy. I have heard that over 300,000 Iraqi Troops have been trained. I have heard the Police force is growing. I have heard that tribal leaders are working with the Iraqi Army and Police. Tough times don't last. Tough people do. We will help the Iraqi people stand for them self in times of trouble. We have to.

Pull out pf Iraq to early and what happens next will be on the liberals. Not on me. I hear there is some scuffling going on in Southern Iraq now. Well, I believe the British have pulled out or have begun to pull out of Southern Iraq. They may have left to early. We don't need to be listening to our media and treasonous politicians. I think Gaip was a right. I think we should listen to his words.

If Gaip is right, then resolve at home is mighty important. Resolve can win or lose wars people. If thge rats support our Troops, then they support victory. Our Troops are not fighting to lose. The rats need some resolve and they need to support the mission. Tight now, we need that Defense bill passed and I do mean now. And we don't need any crazy Amendments to it that effect the execution of the war.

I want to ask the demorats this:

When was the last time you heard anyone in your party say "we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival of liberty"?

- JFK

I don't hear that from the likes of Hanoi Jane. If she had it her way, she would change her name to Jihad Jane. I stood with a bunch of Vietnam Vets on March 17th at the Gathering of eagles in DC. I heard a lot of them say that they did not want Hanoi Jane to do to our Troops what she had done to them in Vietnam. I stand firmly with these people. And I say Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane. I will be in DC on September 15, 2007 at the Gathering of Eagles. I have resolve. I wish liberals recognized the importance of resolve. (I think they do and that is why they act the way they do. They really want us to lose.)

Thanks for listening,
do the dhue


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To: BIGLOOK

I left in July 1968 after serving a year in Danang, We were still building up our forces, especially after Tet.


81 posted on 07/29/2007 11:15:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I want you know that your service in Vietnam was and still is greatly appreciated. I want all Vietnam Vets to know that.


82 posted on 07/29/2007 11:23:48 AM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
“They’ve forgotten how they got to this country – sitting on a boat, driven out of their own country by these Communists,” he said, impassioned. “Now they’re inside this hotel making deals with those same people. It’s a shame.”

Interesting

83 posted on 07/29/2007 11:37:51 AM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: kabar
Tet '68 had a big impact on training and rotation back in CONUS. Training courses weren't cut short but leave was. Troops were usually encouraged to take leave and keep it under 60 days on the books. I had nearly 90 at SEPROS.

The Navy sent us out for long time.....but every once in while tossed us a little officially unofficial R&R.....trips for a couple days to Okinawa or the P.I. for briefings or a benny flight to Thailand for less than a day.
84 posted on 07/29/2007 11:50:43 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: All
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E1nBeH0a1gY&mode=related&search=

I was watching this video. The back ground music is 'what's going on'. It says, "war is not the answer'. Well, when you are in battle and you tell yourself that war is not the answer. War suddenly becomes the answer for you enemy.

85 posted on 07/29/2007 5:11:07 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZY8uN77rr8&mode=related&search=

I replied to a post at youtube (above link) because some commie supporter was trying to say that Minh loved America. I usually don't reply to moonbats because the repercussion can be detrimental to my blood pressure. But I had to.

I wanted to reply because a long time ago, I had heard that theory. One day, I looked at it a little closer and I came to the conclusion that Minh could have chosen not to be communist in the 1920s. He didn't then and he supported communism all his life. What people are talking about when they say Minh loved America are words he may have written on a piece of paper. Not the actions of Minh.

I made a spellin error, but I hope I made my point.

86 posted on 07/29/2007 6:01:57 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: missnry

Ping and thanks for your service in the Navy.


87 posted on 07/29/2007 6:08:56 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue
Every time I see this in person it makes me angry thinking about the scum that first abandoned, then hindered, and finally subverted our boys in uniform. The list of traitors is far too long to write, but I know and remember all of them.

And then I want to cry for the unrewarded suffering of those that served.


88 posted on 07/29/2007 6:34:10 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: BIGLOOK

As a veteran of the Vietnam War from August of 1969 to January of 1971, serving as an infantry squad leader in a mechanized infantry company, and with another unit as a tank commander on an M48A3 tank; I am keenly interested in the distortions, lies, and half truths perpetuated about the Vietnam war by many of those who helped to undermine the US effort there. Much of the conventional understanding of the US involvement in the South East Asian conflict indicates a general disapproval of the United States war effort, and an acceptance of the oft regurgitated leftist conventional wisdom as to it’s historical course and outcome. That is painting the American war effort in Vietnam as misguided at best and an imperialistic effort to establish SE Asian capitalistic hegemony at worst. The antiwar left is portrayed as being noble and idealistic rather than populated by a hard core that actively hoped and worked for a US defeat, the US government as destructive of basic civil liberties in its attempt to monitor their activities, and the North Vietnamese and Vietcong as nationalists who wished to preserve their unique culture against an imperialistic onslaught. The South Vietnamese government’s struggle to survive a ruthless Communist assault while engaging in an unwarranted assault on human rights .while ignoring the numerous genocidal atrocities of the Vietcong (VC) and North Vietnamese Army (NVA) is also part of this narrative. The deceptive reporting of the Tet Offensive, the Communist’s worse defeat among numberless hundreds of others was probably the most grievous deceit perpetuated by the Press .

The reason that the United States opposed nationwide elections that were to be held in accordance with the 1954 Geneva accords was due to the murder and intimidation campaigns carried out by Ho Chi Minh. This fact is in Professor R. J. Runnel’s book Death by Government, in which he cites a low estimate of 15,000 and a high figure of 500,000 people in the “murder by quota” campaign directed by the North Vietnamese Communist Party Politburo that would have made the election a corrupt mockery. This campaign stipulated that 5% of the people living in each village and hamlet had to be liquidated, preferably those identified as members of the “ruling class.” All told says Runnel, between 1953 and 1956 it is likely that the Communists killed 195,000 to 865,000 North Vietnamese. These were non combatant men, women, and children, and hardly represent evidence of the moral high ground claimed by many in the antiwar movement. In 1956, high Communist official Nguyen Manh Tuong admitted that “while destroying the landowning class, we condemned numberless old people and children to a horrible death.” The same genocidal pattern became the Communists’ standard operating procedure in the South too. This was unequivocally demonstrated by the Hue Massacre, which the press did a great deal to downplay in its reporting of the Tet Offensive of 1968.

The National Liberation Front was the creation of the North Vietnamese Third Party Congress of September 1960, completely directed from North Vietnam. The Tet Offensive of 1968 was a disastrous military defeat for the North Vietnamese and that the VC were almost wiped out by the fighting, and that it took the NVA until 1971 to reestablish a presence using North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. The North Vietnam military senior commanders repeatedly said that they counted on the U.S. antiwar movement to give them the confidence to persevere in the face of their staggering battlefield personnel losses and defeats. The antiwar movement prevented the feckless President Lyndon Johnson from granting General Westmoreland’s request to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail or end his policies of publicly announced gradualist escalation. The North Vietnamese knew cutting this trail would severely damage their ability to prosecute the war. Since the North Vietnamese could continue to use the Ho Chi Minh Trail lifeline, the war was needlessly prolonged for the U.S. and contributed significantly to the collapse of South Vietnam. The casualties sustained by the NVA and VC were horrendous, (1.5 million dead) and accorded well with Gen. Ngyuen Giap’s publicly professed disdain for the lives of individuals sacrificed for the greater cause of Communist victory. They were as thoroughly beaten as a military force can be given the absence of an invasion and occupation of their nation. The Soviets and Chinese recognized this, and they put pressure on their North Vietnamese allies to accept this reality and settle up at the Paris peace talks. Hanoi’s party newspaper Nhan Dan angrily denounced the Chinese and Soviets for “throwing a life bouy to a drowning pirate” and for being “mired on the dark and muddy road of unprincipled compromise.” The North Viets intransigent attitude toward negotiation was reversed after their air defenses were badly shattered in the wake of the devastating B-52 Linebacker II assault on North Vietnam, after which they were totally defenseless against American air attack.

To this day the anti-war movement as a whole refuses to acknowledge its part in the deaths of millions in Laos and Cambodia and in the subsequent exodus from South East Asia as people fled Communism, nor the imprisonment of thousands in Communist re-education camps and gulags.

South Vietnam was NOT defeated by a local popular insurgency. The final victorious North Vietnamese offensive was a multidivisional, combined arms effort lavishly equipped with Soviet and Chinese supplied tanks, self-propelled artillery, and aircraft. It was the type of blitzkrieg that Panzer General Heinz Guederian would have easily recognized. I didn’t recall seeing any barefoot, pajama-clad guerrillas jumping out of those tanks in the newsreel footage that showed them crashing through the gates of the presidential palace in Saigon. This spectacle was prompted by the pusillanimous withdrawal of Congressional support for the South Vietnamese government in the wake of the Watergate scandal, which particularly undermined this aspect of President Nixon’s foreign policy. It should be noted that a similar Communist offensive in the spring of 1972 was smashed, largely by US air power; with relatively few US ground troops in place. At the Paris Accords in 1973, the Soviet Union had agreed to reduce aid in offensive arms to North Vietnam in exchange for trade concessions from the US, effectively ending North Vietnams hopes for a military victory in the south. With the return of cold war hostilities in the wake of the Yom Kippur war after Congress revoked the Soviet’s MFN trading status, the Reds poured money and offensive military equipment into North Vietnam. South Vietnam would still be a viable nation today were it not for this nation’s refusal to live up to it’s treaty obligations to the South Vietnamese, most important to reintervene should they invade South Vietnam.

There is one primary similarity to Vietnam. A seditious near traitorous core of anti-war protesters is trying to undermine U.S. efforts there with half-truths, lies, and distortions. In that respect, the war in Iraq and the war in Vietnam are very similar. A significant difference is that thus far the current anti-war movement has not succeeded in manifesting contempt for the American military on the part of the general U.S. public as it did in the Vietnam era.

When I was in Vietnam, I recall many discussions with my fellow soldiers about the course of the war in Vietnam and their feelings about it. Many, if not most felt that “We Gotta Get Outta this Place,” to cite a popular song of the time by Eric Burden and the Animals, but for the most part they felt we should do it by fighting the war in a manner calculated to win it. I do not recall anyone ever saying that they felt the North Vietnamese could possibly defeat us on the battlefield, but to a man they were mystified by the U.S. Government’s refusal to fight in a manner that would assure military victory. Even though there was much resentment for the antiwar movement, and some (resentment) toward career professional soldiers, I never saw anyone who did not do his basic duty and many did FAR MORE THAN THAT as a soldier. Nineteen of my friends have their names on the Vietnam War Memorial Wall in Washington DC. They deserve to have the full truth told about the effort for which they gave their young lives. The U.S. public is not well served by half-truths and lies by omission about such a significant period in our history, particularly with their relevance toward our present fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.


89 posted on 07/29/2007 6:36:19 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank
HEAR HEAR!!

GREAT POST!

Your service and sacrifice in Vietnam are remembered and greatly appreciated.

Thank you for posting this.

And thanks again for your service to your country and your community.

90 posted on 07/29/2007 6:52:32 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue
And thanks again for your service to your country and your community

I meant OUR country and your community. You should be thanked for serving on the force too.

91 posted on 07/29/2007 6:54:11 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue; All

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Once again, do the dhue, thank you for your CLARITY and for your precious LOVE of FREEDOM.

HO CHI MINH was indeed ‘turned’ by the French Communists when a Paris University student during the 1920’s.

Returning to Vietnam fully committed to ‘turning’ all of S.E. Asia over to Communism. Then going to Moscow for more up close and personal training and then inviting S.E. Asia leaders to Hanoi for their Communist training.

Keep up the good work here on behalf of CLARITY, do the dhue.

Like Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE kept telling his heroic U.S. 7th Cavalry SkyTroopers in our Battle of IA DRANG-1965:

..”That’s just Outstanding”..!!!

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com

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92 posted on 07/29/2007 6:56:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: DMZFrank
Good to hear from ya again, Frank. You've posted that before and it's a keeper. We're most likely going to need it again.

In the present situation in Iraq and the Mid East generally, if congress pulls the same stunt they did in 1974, the regional blood bath will eclipse what happened in SE Asia........and affect the world's economy.

The dissenters of the 60s and 70s are now entrenched in Foggy Bottom and Hollywood and could care less about the havoc their policies would bring to all of us. They want a political victory like the old days and they'll ignore their success is bathed in blood.

Fire for effect, Frank!
93 posted on 07/29/2007 7:09:54 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The list of traitors is far too long to write

Scarry Reid

Nancy Peloser

Kohn Kerry

Jihad Jane

Tokyo Rosie

Mikhail Moore

Hillaryious Clinton

Hussein Obama

Sissy Edwards

Chuckie Schumer

Ho Biden

Susan Surrender

Barbara Bozo

Diane 'not so' Feinstein

Sean 'human shield' Penn

Awec Bawin

Jeneane Gastopolo

Dim Robbins

Chuckie Rangle

Arlen Spincter

Robert KKK Byrd

Olympia Blow

Ted 'hicup' Kennedy

Allen 'skelator' Colmes

Stooney Hoyer

Kohn Conyers

Kohn Larson

Jerrold Nadless

Louise Slaughterthe2ndAmendment

Woody Harrelson (don't need to make a niuckname up whehn Woody is your first name)

Mike Ferret

Martin Sheeite

Jorge Soros

George looney

the Ditsie Twits

Dang, you were right. This list is long....

Wart Churchill

Ali Gore

Jimmy Carta

Dennis Kasinitch

Chuckie Sheen

Limpsey Graham

Coward Dean

Tom Dassholle

and a big Whoopi

Barbara Streisilly

Robert Dreadford

Bruce Springsting

I can still keep going .... And I am tired .... OK, lets just play this instead:

a song about liberals we can't stand

I apologize to the ones I missed.

94 posted on 07/29/2007 7:25:33 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thank you for the support.

Keep laying cover fire.

The pen is mightier then the sword. That makes my keyboard a M60. :-)

95 posted on 07/29/2007 7:30:30 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

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Still practicing with my “AR-15” on this end.

AR


96 posted on 07/29/2007 7:40:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

If we keep working, we can turn our keyboards into AC130 Gunships.


97 posted on 07/29/2007 7:45:43 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

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Naw, just KC-47 DRAGON LADY gunships on this end.

I’m that vintage.

AR

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98 posted on 07/29/2007 7:49:52 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

99 posted on 07/29/2007 7:59:00 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

100 posted on 07/29/2007 8:01:21 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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