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'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph ^ | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."


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To: LibWhacker

This is a years old story or a variation of it. I remember reading this about tunnelling photons back before November of 2001.


101 posted on 08/16/2007 10:41:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Red Badger
I’m calling BOGUS

It certainly isn't the first time scientists claimed to have breached a key tenet in Einstein's theory. Just the latest of seemingly dozens. So as always, I guess we'll see.

102 posted on 08/16/2007 10:41:32 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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To: LibWhacker

186,000 mps +- 4,321 mps (19 times out of 20), more or less.


103 posted on 08/16/2007 10:41:47 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: ari-freedom
“It is easier for me to question Einstein’s theory than it is to assume there is some kind of strange, exotic matter around me in my kitchen.”

That reminds me of the last time I made dinner.

104 posted on 08/16/2007 10:41:55 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (There's more than one way to burn a book. - Ray Bradbury)
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To: Condor51

From the limited information given, it appears to me they’ve just confirmed that the M Theory is correct and alternate universes do exist
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oh puhlease


105 posted on 08/16/2007 10:42:03 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: camerakid400
I thought the speed of gravity was C plus or minus 1 percent?

I used to assume this too, but if gravity propagated at c, then the Earth would be attracted to where the Sun was eight minutes ago (and vice versa, not that this would be a big deal with the Sun).

The result would be that the two bodies would develop a couple, and crash into each other.

A full, not-too-technical explanation of the experimental proofs for the very-fast speed of gravity can be found here. Highly recommended.

106 posted on 08/16/2007 10:42:11 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
That, and the fact that gravity propagates at a speed that must be at least 2 * 1010 c, and may be infinite.

What is your basis for making this claim?

Very interesting if true and we do know that nobody (AFAIK) has ever detected a gravity wave. And they have been trying for a long time.

107 posted on 08/16/2007 10:42:31 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ichabod1

“Einstein said it.
I believe it.
Anyone saying otherwise is a ‘denier’.”

This throws a wrench into Einsteins theory. Just like Einstein’s theory threw a wrench into someone else theory.


108 posted on 08/16/2007 10:42:51 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: camerakid400
I highly doubt this is true. It looks like they are dealing with quantum mechanics here.

From the article:
The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

This is a good headline of (many)decades old news.
109 posted on 08/16/2007 10:42:53 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

“This is the sort of pedantry up with I will not put!”—Winston Churchill
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Up with which I will not put!

Sorry, but your grammar was poor.

; 0


110 posted on 08/16/2007 10:43:23 AM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: LibWhacker

Clearly caused by global warming and is also Bush’s fault.


111 posted on 08/16/2007 10:44:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: LibWhacker
As someone that tends to view things through a theological perspective, it proves to me again the limitations of man’s scientific knowledge. The ability to transcend time and space may become a real possibility.
112 posted on 08/16/2007 10:44:45 AM PDT by Ferox
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To: LibWhacker

In other news, Virginia and Texas have imposed large “driver responsibility” fines for those who break the speed of light.


113 posted on 08/16/2007 10:44:48 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Post-Neolithic

this could be bad for hand signaling in traffic


114 posted on 08/16/2007 10:45:22 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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To: RightWhale
Relativity was devised to explain some things about electromagnetic radiation. It explains nothing about things that aren’t photons or photon related.

Hm. I guess you learned a different theory of relativity than the rest of us did.

Length and time are also affected. The latter, at least, has been experimentally demonstrated. For example, muons are created when cosmic rays interact with the atmosphere. The decay rate of muons is known, and from that we can predict how many muons should be detectable at the Earth's surface. The number of muons actually detected is consistent with the time dilation effects predicted by special relativity.

Sorry....

115 posted on 08/16/2007 10:45:47 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: LibWhacker
     
 

C

     

It's not just a good idea...

It's ze Law!


116 posted on 08/16/2007 10:45:50 AM PDT by mikrofon (Celeritas)
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To: Red Badger

Bean bag.


117 posted on 08/16/2007 10:46:09 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: LibWhacker

I wonder what the reentry is like?


118 posted on 08/16/2007 10:46:21 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Condor51

Sir, I’ll have you know that “diddly-squat” is a scientific term of great social and political import!


119 posted on 08/16/2007 10:46:45 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: LibWhacker
They could get that kind of reading at three feet?

Riiiiggghhhttt.

120 posted on 08/16/2007 10:46:52 AM PDT by shekkian
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