GLENN BECKHonest Questions with John Hagee (Glenn Beck interview about end times)

CNN.com ^ | October 12, 2007 | Glenn Beck John Hagee

[do the dhue]

Gleen Beck had Pastor John Hagee on his show last night. They discussed the end times. I think this was one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time. It was very interesting. Did anyone see it? Here is the transscript

[do the dhue]

Thanks for the post.

[444Flyer]

Regarding Pre vs. Post Tribulation rapture. I must admit, I long to believe in the pre-trib rapture but as I read the Bible and see how the Lord’s chosen prophets and preachers were not spared from suffering (many of which had terrible deaths and martyrdom, including the Lord himself, Paul etc...) I figure with the condition of the “Church” today, much of it watered down gospel and full of sin, it might not escape a time of refining and trial. If there is a pre-tribulation rapture it will surely be God’s grace! However, the Church will not experience the Wrath of God which is reserved for those who reject His Son.

[sasportas]

“Darby and the Plymouth Brethren were the first to reject all
the centuries of paganism and use literal historical exegesis.”

Are you going to tell me the earliest writers of Church history, those who wrote in the years shortly following the early church of the first century, men such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Hypollotus, and Tertullian, were pagans? and whose exegesis was inferior to Darby who lived some 1700 years later?

I rather think not. They lived 1700 years closer to the Apostles than Darby. And none of them believed in, nor taught, the pretrib rapture that Darby - and now Hagee and the “Left Behind” people - promote.

[nmh]

“Tim LaHaye and Jenkins’ Left Behind Series seems to match the Hagee remarks. There is , of course, the theological question of the Rapture based on one scripture in Thess. The Lord has never protected huge masses of Christians, the Church or the Jews from persecution. The Rapture seems to be an interpretation from the days of Scofield. It is not an old view and has only gotten a hearing in the last 100 years or so. Of course, as a believer,I want it to happen but if it does not, our faith in Jesus when he does appear will really have been tested in these Times.”

God has been consistent in REMOVING believers from horrendous punishment. Noah and the Flood are an example. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example etc.. There is no reason NOT to believe He will collect His believers when He returns as Scripture states. Those not raptured or gathered up will suffer extreme wrath.

1Thes.4:17

[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I think this verse is very clear and as I mentioned simply demonstrates a pattern of NOT subjecting believers to EXTREME wrath.

[Uri’el-2012]

Paganism was codified at Nicea

[444Flyer]

What I just posted #142. (I just read your post when I was done writing it.) Sounds like the same train of thought for us both.

[Zardor]

I gotta say this. As a former evangelical this system from Rev. Hagee is plain ol’ dispensationalism. It has such a spurious begining, is so lame in its construct, and it is grossly contradictory. Do a google search on dispensationalism and read this stuff. It is pure ‘comic book’ reading. fun and entertaining but very little is founded on the historic belief of the Church. By the way, I am Orthodox, love Christ and His Church, and am looking for his second coming.

[do the dhue]

I believe in pre-trib, but I could be wrong. And if I am and you ever need some ammo, just let me know.

No sir, I don't. I don't believe no five pistoleros could do in Josey Wales.

[sasportas]

It is understandable, the desire to not have to experience the hard trials of the endtime tribulation. Unfortunately, neither the New Testament nor Church history confirms it. As to which does history support, the pre or post trib rapture, here is what Robert Gundry, Professor, Westmont College, Calif. says:

“We can conclude from the survey of early Christian writings that the early church was explicitly posttribulational…We discover NOT A PASSING REFERENCE TO, MUCH LESS A REFUTATION OF, ANY WHO BELIEVED OTHERWISE … Every writer who touches in any detail upon the tribulation, resurrection, rapture, or Second Coming portrays a post-tribulational persuasion.”

[dmw]

You might be interested in the teaching of the Pre-Wrath rapture. Check it out here http://www.prewrathministries.org/prewrath.html.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

I agree with you.

I also think it will be much sooner than 20 years.

[joebuck]

"I don't believe no five pistoleros could do in Josey Wales."

Whupped em again, eh Josey?

[do the dhue]

Well, maybe I should go study and re-think my position. I may have to go get some night vision, some more ammo, and I gotta git one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zlWplfLQ2E&mode=related&search=

[sasportas]

Re Professor Gundry’s statement in my post #49: I might add that the reason there was no squabble over pre vs post trib rapture in the early years of Christianity is because there was no such thing. The pretrib rapture had not been invented yet...nor the mid trib one...nor the pre-wrath one.

[do the dhue]

It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death.

[sasportas]

Correction

Re Professor Gundry’s statement in my post #149:

[444Flyer]

Thank God we have insurance and assurance through Jesus Christ.

[444Flyer]

Thanks for the reference. I haven’t seen that site before.

[Uri’el-2012]

When you use scripture to interpert scriptures, you see this
the word Harpazo GSN-726

NAU 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

NAU Jude 1:23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

NAU Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

shalom b'shem Yah'shua

[joebuck]

They call me civilized because I’m no longer good at sneaking up on people. (I could do this all day - but I won’t)