Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
Better a liberal Rat with an energized GOP opposition in Congress, than a liberal “Republican” who gets everything he wants.
I would rather the party be what it is. Conservative. We don’t get that way by having good conservatives picking up their ball and going home. We got into this mess because too many of us said “a plague on both your houses” and staying put come election day. Now that we’re here we have to figure out how to get back!
If the Republican party is headed up by an abortionist liberal, then it’s not a conservative party. Like I said, you RINOs are beyond redemption. Caution: You’re now entering into the realm of trolldom.
Neither do I. Your needs are far more elementary, far more remedial.
Nor could you be.
If you continue pushing for an abortionist liberal on this pro-life conservative site, you most definitely are trolling. Maybe you missed all of my posts on the subject?
That's a hell of position to be hawking for one called "Live free or die". Some of aren't going to give a nod too and hand justification to a gun grabbing authoritatian pic of the country club crowd. Since you're playing the fear card, here's some ammo.
How hard is for you discern the problem in those sentences? You're advocating for doing more of what made folks stay home in disgust. It's truly mindboggling.
Up is down. Down is up. Liberalism is conservatism.
Now go eat your grey gruel.
I know... and my post was in that context. A Republican win with a RINO at the top of the ticket would be the END of Conservatism in the Republican Party.
If anything the circular reasoning is on the other side of this discussion: Mr. Robinson has expressed an implicit desire to have fewer connections to the Republican party because of its dearth of conservatives. Mr. Robinson is a conservative himself and he still wants out?
Jim Robinson can speak for himself, but I assure you that many, many on this board, myself included, are exactly of his opinion. Moving the party leftward does nothing for the Conservative cause.
No, it is not. You seem to be confusing "Republican" with "Conservative". They are not the same thing.
Now that we’re here we have to figure out how to get back!
That ain't gonna happen with RINOs in control, and certainly won't happen with RINOs heading the ticket.
I’ve been reading this thread for the last two weeks. What really bugs me are the people who equate the opposition to killing babies as being a purely “religious” issue. There were a few in the posts between 200-600.
Horse tooth jackasses.
You don’t necesarily need to believe in Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, Buddha, Yahweh, Vishnu to realize that sticking sharp objects into a crying infants skull is pure evil.
The very thought that we even need Gubmint and laws to prevent mothers from killing their own children makes me sorry to call myself a member of the same species as these people.
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS BEYOND CORRUPT, IT’S ALSO EVIL.
And what is this evil that triumphs when good men do nothing? What are we really talking about here and is it worth fighting for? Is it worth turning our heads and allowing evil to continue on while we do nothing? (and I count voting for a third party candidate when knowing that he has absolutely no chance of defeating the Democrat, and worse, actually planning and hoping to knock out the Republican candidate who otherwise might have defeated the Democrat, as doing nothing).
Corruption is accepting campaign cash from the Chinese in exchange for military hardware. Corruption is accepting campaign cash as bribes from Indonesian power brokers, from Buddhist Monks, from corrupt corporate moguls. Corruption is defined by the myriad criminal acts and practices of the Clintons and the Gores and their corrupt Democrat minions.
Corruption is the land grabs, the power grabs, the gun grabs, the bribery, the shady deals, the high crimes and treason. Corruption is the theft of campaign dollars through forced labor union deductions. Corruption is the systematic indoctrination of several generations of our youth with socialist dogma via government school systems. Corruption is the removal of God from public life and substituting in the evil homosexual/feminist agenda and the destruction of moral society. Corruption is lying to the public about global warming and the selling of the Kyoto treaty. Corruption is giving up our national sovereignty to the United Nations. Corruption is the abuses of office, obstruction of justice, lying, perjury and subornation of perjury.
The Democrat Party is thoroughly corrupt. There is no question about that, but it’s way beyond corrupt. It’s also evil.
Waco was evil. The killing of innocent men, women, children and babies is evil. Torturing them for weeks on end, gassing them, and then burning them alive is pure evil. This was perpetrated by a corrupt and evil Democrat Administration and covered-up by corrupt and evil Democrat Congressmen and Senators, many of whom you are saying should be allowed to remain in office even today.
And as bad as that is, it pales in comparison to the Democrat government sanctioned and funded wholesale slaughter of the most innocent life of all, the murder of innocent human life in the womb. This is evil. Pure evil. And this evilness is openly perpetrated by a thoroughly corrupt and evil Democrat Party. The same corrupt and evil Democrat Congress and Judiciary whom you are now saying deserve to remain in office.
IMHO, allowing these Democrats to remain in power is aiding and abetting the corruption and treason, and is acting as an accessory before and after the fact to the murderers of innocent human life. Is doing nothing and allowing this evil to triumph evil itself?
I love my country. I love the Constitution. I love life. I love God. I know that the Democrats hate my country, hate the Constitution, hate God and hate human life. I see that the only Party capable of blocking and defeating the evil Democrats is the Republican Party. I see that many races are so close that as little as a one percent siphon of conservative votes to a third party could be the difference between success and failure. I see allowing a Democrat to remain in power when it could have been prevented as a triumph of evil.
Well, I hate big government. I believe the Founders intended for government to remain severely limited in power, size and scope. The limits have been removed by successive populist, progressive and liberal governments.
Government excesses need to be rolled back and the limits enforced and our Liberty restored. That is a fact and I doubt many FReepers would disagree.
I hate socialism in all it’s forms. I think the income tax is an unconstitutional slave tax and that it should be repealed and replaced with an excise tax as the founders intended. I think social security is also an unconstitutional slave tax and should be repealed and not replaced. The same can be said of medi-care or any socialized health care program. The founders never intended any of this.
I hate government involvement in education. The public school system has become nothing but an expensive socialist government indoctrination camp. We can go on and on with all of the things that are wrong with this government and need to be fixed or removed, mostly removed, and I know that both parties share in the blame for much of this.
However, I see the Democrat Party as the leading cause and the primary mover for socialism in America. Their goal is to expand government and socialism even further. They will not rest until we have a completely socialized health care system.
They’ll continue expanding their evil government funded abortion programs. Their taking of God and faith from every aspect of our public conscience and replacing it with homosexuality, feminism, and whatever other victimhood program they can institute.
Their goals are to systematically remove whatever defenses we may have left. They’ll take our guns. You can bet on that. They’ll take our right to campaign for the values we hold dear. They’ll take our right to speak out or to openly resist.
Their goals include removing any all remaining constitutional restraints that stand in there way and then completely surrendering the last hopes for freedom and national sovereignty.
When President Gore or President Hillary signs the next round of international treaties, they’ll be turning the keys for America over to the U.N. and other socialist world government organizations. These treaties are on equal footing with the Constitution. They become the supreme law of the land. That is the way they will finally destroy the final constitutional limits and destroy American freedom once and for all. A shot will never be fired, but we will lose it all.
And, yes, there are some Republicans who allow this to happen. Even some who join right in there. I’d love nothing more than to dump them with the evil Democrats, however, there is one giant obstacle. Political majority.
In this two party system, the party that holds the majority is the party that controls the agenda. They choose who will chair the committees and what legislation will be moved and what legislation will be killed. They control which nominees get voted on and which get shunted aside. They effectively control the judiciary. They ratify the treaties. A Democrat majority plus a handful of liberal Republicans and it’s all over.
Wall-to-wall liberal activist judiciary, nothing but expanding socialist government programs as far as the eye can see, and nothing but sovereignty and freedom robbing treaties on the horizon.
You can dump the moderates and liberal Republicans if you wish, but what are you going to replace them with? Democrats? Surely you do not believe that a Libertarian or other tiny conservative third party candidate will defeat a liberal in a liberal state or district?
You will give up the Republican and give the seat to the Democrat. That’s like a two for one free gimmee for the socialists. That will only make it that much harder to obtain a Republican majority.
I’ll keep the moderates and attempt to dump the democrat in any race, thereby maintaining or increasing the Republican majority. There is no other way to block the socialists. We must overcome their votes.
Support and vote for the most conservative candidate, hopefully a Republican, in the primaries. That’s where we can increase conservative influence and send the message. But vote for the Republican in the general election. That’s were we directly re-take or increase the majority and maintain the block on the socialist agenda, and, hopefully, someday soon that majority will be large enough and conservative enough to actually start rolling it back.
That is the part where I have to agree with you. We can learn something from liberals about the concept of incrementalism (maybe they learned it from Ronald Reagan, I dunno).
Changing the culture and the public attitudes about infanticide is going to take decades and decades. Instead of trying to hit an 8 run homer, we should take a page out of the liberal progressive playbook and just slowly single and walk them into submission.
And meanwhile...tick, tick, tick...another 3 to 4 thousand American children were brutally done to death today...
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