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New technique creates cheap, abundant hydrogen: report
AFP ^ | Nov 12, 2007

Posted on 11/12/2007 10:45:42 PM PST by Rick_Michael

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1 posted on 11/12/2007 10:45:44 PM PST by Rick_Michael
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Won’t they have to get above 300 percent in order to break even with the added electricity?
2 posted on 11/12/2007 10:50:27 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Rick_Michael

More grand plans, theories, and futurism. I’m full, thanks.


3 posted on 11/12/2007 10:51:41 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Rick_Michael

Sounds good!

Add this info to this posted study and it seems to be moving along better and better.

University of Virginia Scientists Discover Record-Breaking Hydrogen Storage Materials for Use in Fuel Cells

http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=3273


4 posted on 11/12/2007 10:51:44 PM PST by crazyshrink (Being uninformed is one thing, choosing ignorance is a whole different problem.)
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To: Red Badger

Ping to you, sir.


5 posted on 11/12/2007 10:52:16 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Rick_Michael

Cellulouse ?

Why not use sewage? Compost heaps?

Wetlands?

Dead liberals? 8<)


6 posted on 11/12/2007 10:54:42 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Kudzu! I keep saying, kudzu will save the world.


7 posted on 11/12/2007 10:59:13 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

heheh we are arranging transport now.


8 posted on 11/12/2007 10:59:30 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: dr_lew; patton; neverdem; secret garden; xsmommy; VRWCmember; NeoCaveman; CholeraJoe
Shuuuuuuusssssssssssssssh!

Kudzu grows too fast for anybody to keep up - no matter HOW they try to dispose of it.

It is the plant that ate the planet!

On the other hand, imagine a Japanese immigrant bringing a single sprig of kudzu in from Japan to the first trail across the Cumberland - following innocently along behind ole Danial Boone as he hacks his way across virgin woodlands and trackless forests.....

They reach the end of the trail.
Turn around, intending to make their slow way home using the blazes cut in tree bark on the way west.

And find ......

Billions of kudzu vines, covering tens of thousands of square miles of (former) forest lands .... Trackless and overhung. With tons of green drooping vines that will burn in the winter in unstoppable Forest fires - yielding only more spaces to cultivate more kudzu vines the next season.

America would have never been settled.

9 posted on 11/12/2007 11:05:24 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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America would have never been settled.

That's rather unsettling.

10 posted on 11/12/2007 11:08:35 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("The bourgeoisie will remember my carbuncles until their dying day," -Karl Marx)
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To: crazyshrink

Maybe you should start a ping list, CrzyShrnk. I was just going to comment that storage (and accessing of Hydrogen by an engine in as it is needed) is the other hurdle. Then I read your post. Finally some experimental results from institutions I have more faith in (than, say guests on Art Bell or that other guy’s radio program). Step by step . . .


11 posted on 11/12/2007 11:12:03 PM PST by bajabaja
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To: Jeff Chandler

You try clearing a field to grow corn, beans, potatoes, maize, or cotton with only axes and hoes ...

When every vine around the edge of every field is growing longer and longer: 12 to 36 inches.

Per day.

Every day........ 8<)


12 posted on 11/12/2007 11:12:55 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
You try clearing a field ... with only axes and hoes ...

That's the kind of talk that got Imus in trouble, if you axe me.

13 posted on 11/12/2007 11:16:13 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("The bourgeoisie will remember my carbuncles until their dying day," -Karl Marx)
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To: bajabaja

Thanks for the suggestion. I believe there is already an alternative fuels pinglist. I posted the hydrogen storage study around noon and someone did the “ping list thing”.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 11:17:56 PM PST by crazyshrink (Being uninformed is one thing, choosing ignorance is a whole different problem.)
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To: Rick_Michael
generated hydrogen gas at nearly 99 percent of the theoretical maximum yield using aetic acid, a common dead-end product of glucose fermentation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aetic Acid?

Is that related to lysergic acid diethylamide?

Aetic Acid. Never heard of it.

Maybe the article means Acetic Acid?

Just use the LSD, and then you can have a trip without getting in the freekin electric car.

LOL

15 posted on 11/12/2007 11:44:40 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
288% more energy out would indicate that you put in 1 watt of electricity in and get out 3.88 watts worth of power (2.88 watts more). This isn’t magic like so many other claims because it is consuming both the electricity and the aetic acid chemical energy to produce the output energy. So the key question becomes how abundant (and therefore inexpensive) is aetic acid (or what it is made from)?
16 posted on 11/12/2007 11:46:30 PM PST by DB
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" also can be used to convert wood chips into hydrogen to be used as fertilizer. "

Could they also use leaves from trees also ? or does it have to be wood ?
17 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:09 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: DB

Sounds like somebody’s thinking on this thread.


18 posted on 11/13/2007 12:24:09 AM PST by TheThinker (Clarity, Honesty, Logic, Imagination. These are the keys to truth and the defense against liberalism)
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To: DB

An acid that is produced through cellulose fermentation is acetic acid. It runs about 65 cents a pound. If this is the acid the article is talking about, then it is fairly cheap and abundant. The Chinese have been inflating the cost over the last several years due to its use of acetic acid in manufacturing.


19 posted on 11/13/2007 1:02:05 AM PST by TheThinker (Clarity, Honesty, Logic, Imagination. These are the keys to truth and the defense against liberalism)
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That’s pretty expensive as I have to guess the energy density is lower than oil. Crude oil weighs about 302 lbs a barrel. At $100 a barrel that is about $0.33 a pound.


20 posted on 11/13/2007 1:59:01 AM PST by DB
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