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Ancient Greenland Mystery Has A Simple Answer, It Seems
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 11-29-2007 | Colin Woodward

Posted on 11/29/2007 10:26:32 AM PST by blam

Ancient Greenland mystery has a simple answer, it seems

First: A reproduction of Tjodhilde's Church stands in Brattahlid, Greenland. It was the first Christian church in North America. Colin Woodard

Did the Norse colonists starve? Were they wiped out by the Inuit – or did they intermarry? No. Things got colder and they left.

By Colin Woodard | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the November 28, 2007 edition

Reporter Colin Woodard describes an ecumenical service at a Greenland church built by legendary Norseman "Erik the Red."QASSIARSUK, Greenland - A shipload of visitors arrived in the fjord overnight, so Ingibjorg Gisladottir dressed like a Viking and headed out to work in the ruins scattered along the northern edge of this tiny farming village.

Qassiarsuk is tiny (population: 56), remote, and short on amenities (no store, public restrooms, or roads to the outside world), but some 3,000 visitors come here each year to see the remains of Brattahlid, the medieval farming village founded here by Erik the Red around the year 985.

When they arrive, Ms. Gisladottir, an employee of the museum, is there to greet them in an authentic hooded smock and not-so-authentic rubber boots. "There were more visitors this year than last," she says. "People want to know what happened to the Norse."

The Greenland Norse colonized North America 500 years before Christopher Columbus "discovered" it, establishing farms in the sheltered fjords of southern Greenland, exploring Labrador and the Canadian Arctic, and setting up a short-lived outpost in Newfoundland.

But by 1450, they were gone, posing one of history's most intriguing mysteries: What happened to the Greenland Norse?

There are many theories: They were starved off by a cooling climate, wiped out by pirates or Inuit hunters, or perhaps

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1 posted on 11/29/2007 10:26:33 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 11/29/2007 10:27:19 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Now scientists are pretty sure they have the answer: They simply up and left.

Wow, imagine that...........
3 posted on 11/29/2007 10:33:05 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Evidence for them “up and leaving” came to light as the glaciers melted and uncovered their settlements. [/sarc]


4 posted on 11/29/2007 10:35:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Poor Norse. A millennium later and global warming would have saved them...
5 posted on 11/29/2007 10:36:02 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: PeterPrinciple
They moved to Minnesota and started A Prairie Home Companion radio program...................
6 posted on 11/29/2007 10:36:48 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: null and void

If they would have just held out!!!!


7 posted on 11/29/2007 10:36:54 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: blam

You mean that Greenland really was green once and they didn’t merely name it that as a marketing gimick? :o


8 posted on 11/29/2007 10:37:24 AM PST by stefanbatory
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To: null and void

Wonder how they would have treated Algore?


9 posted on 11/29/2007 10:37:54 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Red Badger

Ya sure yu betcha!


10 posted on 11/29/2007 10:37:58 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: blam
Eric's son, Leif, explored the entire Eastern Seaboard - and had a winter camp on the south shore of Cape Cod.

The population of the Greenland community grew to about 30,000.

L lean towards the research that speculates that, in escaping the crushing cold of the approaching Little Ice Age, they took to the waterways in Canada and ended up intermarrying with North American Indian tribes along the Great Lakes - and most particularly, the Mandans.

Do some research on the Mandans...fascinating.

11 posted on 11/29/2007 10:38:23 AM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: blam

What the climate got cooler? How can this be? I thought the earth will be the temp of molten lead in a year or two


12 posted on 11/29/2007 10:38:47 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

There was a History show on awhile ago that blamed a cooling period AND their new-found Christianity to blame. The cooling was a fact and their crops failed, livestock died, etc.

The conjecture part (or maybe they had some old records/accounts) was that the Inuit survived by hunting seals, etc. (like they always had). They invited the Norse along, but because of their religious beliefs the Norse thought it would be wrong to go on the hunts as the start of the hunts always began with Inuit religous ceremonies.


13 posted on 11/29/2007 10:40:52 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: blam

Climate change is always happening. Climate and weather are never constant. Greenland is great evidence of the most recent changes. Stories like this need to get more publicity because it explains that weather was much warmer 800 years ago and the world did not come to an end. I bet the environmentalists and the cruises they host to indocrinate people never stop by to see the Greenland Norse settlements that are just now emerging from the ice.


14 posted on 11/29/2007 10:42:03 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: PeterPrinciple
It was amazingly easy for them to leave, too. After all, they had boats. That's why they were living along fjords and inlets.

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15 posted on 11/29/2007 10:45:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: blam

“Of course they ate fish,” she says. “One common way of preparing cod was to gut it, dry it, and then cook it in a pot for three or four hours and eat your porridge, bones and all.”

AHHHHH!!!! Not the LUTEFISK!!!!!!!

I wonder what Ingebjorg looks like without that hood?


16 posted on 11/29/2007 10:46:41 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: blam
I have printed this out and given it to College Professors, who believed that Greenland ever being green was a myth, that is until they read this!

Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
17 posted on 11/29/2007 10:47:14 AM PST by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: geopyg
"The conjecture part (or maybe they had some old records/accounts) was that the Inuit survived by hunting seals, etc. (like they always had). They invited the Norse along, but because of their religious beliefs the Norse thought it would be wrong to go on the hunts as the start of the hunts always began with Inuit religous ceremonies."

I think it was said on that program that they refused to eat fish too.

18 posted on 11/29/2007 10:48:21 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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19 posted on 11/29/2007 10:48:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, November 27, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Oh, yeah, almost forgot, in the late 1300s and early 1400s the Black Death opened up immense social opportunities throughout Europe.

With the population dramatically reduced, folks could pull back from those fringe operations in Greenland and Northern Iceland and live like human beings.

In Northern Norway the Norse died off, or abandoned their farms and the Sa'ami moved South to take over the fishing, or to actually begin farming themselves.

The Sa'ami had a very low death rate due to Black Death (and a bunch of other diseases that kill less rodent adapted humans in the Sunny Southlands).

Norwegian Sa'ami who adopted Norse lifestyles were no longer identified as Sa'ami. In the good old days no one knew that there were major genetic differences between the Sa'ami (cold adapted) and the Norse.

20 posted on 11/29/2007 10:49:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: blam

“Things got colder and they left.”

Yep.
Any explanation is acceptable to the Al Gore Crowd, except
noting THE REAL HEADLINE!

“Global Warming AND Global Cooling Happen All The Time”


21 posted on 11/29/2007 10:50:17 AM PST by VOA
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To: blam

“Things got colder and they left.”

Yep.
Any explanation is acceptable to the Al Gore Crowd, except
noting THE REAL HEADLINE!

“Global Warming AND Global Cooling Happen All The Time”


22 posted on 11/29/2007 10:50:17 AM PST by VOA
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To: ZULU
I wonder what Ingebjorg looks like without that hood?

Less møøselimb?

23 posted on 11/29/2007 10:50:38 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: blam
They were starved off by a cooling climate, wiped out by pirates or Inuit hunters, or perhaps

Bush's fault.

24 posted on 11/29/2007 10:52:52 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: null and void

Probably. But Scandinavian women are HOT!


25 posted on 11/29/2007 10:53:18 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: blam
The Innuit ate seals. The seals ate the fish. The Norse ate seals too. They moved because it got too cold for them. The Innuit are cold adapted, as are the Sa'ami. The Innuit continued to eat seals. The Sa'ami took over abandoned Norse farms.

This has been going on for thousands of years.

26 posted on 11/29/2007 10:54:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: blam

“I think it was said on that program that they refused to eat fish too.”

LOL - this from the guys that invented Lutefisk! (Although I’m not sure I would call it fish!?) Makes me think though - why wouldn’t the Norse eat fish??? That was and is a huge part of their diet? Perhaps the folks on Greenland haS become such landlubbers because of the good soil they forgot how to fish. And perhaps they refused fish from the Inuit for religious reasons?


27 posted on 11/29/2007 10:55:23 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: blam
But by 1450, they were gone, posing one of history's most intriguing mysteries: What happened to the Greenland Norse?

Somewhere long ago I read about some explorers who visited Greenland in the 1500s and found dead Greenland settlers. Spanish explorers, I think. I always wondered whether these explorers had killed and robbed the last Greenland Viking inhabitants. The only thing I found when searching today concerned a Dutchman named strangely enough, Jon Greenlander, who visited Greenland in 1540.

"Dutch whaling captain Jon Greenlander lands in Greenland and finds the last Norse colonist lying dead outside his hut with an iron dagger in his hand" [Source]

28 posted on 11/29/2007 10:59:55 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: stefanbatory

You’ve been watching the hysteria channel again, haven’t you?


29 posted on 11/29/2007 11:02:36 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: geopyg

AGLOOLIK
Good spirit that lived under the ice and helped with hunting and fishing.


30 posted on 11/29/2007 11:04:29 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger
They moved to Minnesota and started A Prairie Home Companion radio program.

And Garrison Keillor is cited as evidence that they intermarried....

with each other.

31 posted on 11/29/2007 11:11:14 AM PST by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

I’ve been studying climate change for over 60 years and have come to some startling conclusions:

1. Climate change first came to my attention as a young boy when I noticed that the days in S. Texas became hotter and hotter in the months from May to Sept. In the days before air-conditioning this was all but unberable. But we had to grin and bear it.

2. Then there would be a couple of months of tolerable temperatures during Sept to Oct, sometimes lasting through November. Some nasty cold rains though.

3. Usually by December the climate would reverse, becoming progressively colder through Feb. My personality frequently changed during this period for no reason at all.

4.Although March and April had some revisionist leanings, they usually provided a liveable climate that should have been a model for the rest of the year. Except for the thunderstorms with golf-ball sized hail and tornados. Of course, I was a poor boy and didn’t know what a golf ball was so I just called them ‘big as horse turds.”

5. But no...Mr Climate wouldn’t have that. May started the same ugly cycle all over again. I have seen this happen all the years without any significant variation and believe climate change to be all too real.


32 posted on 11/29/2007 11:13:47 AM PST by wildbill
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To: blam

‘Occam’s Razor’ comes to mind.


33 posted on 11/29/2007 11:15:13 AM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Foolsgold

Thanks for the link! Lack of trade due to ice-bound oceans and political changes - VERY interesting.


34 posted on 11/29/2007 11:15:22 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: wildbill

Hey, what’s that big round hot thing? There, in the sky? ;’)


35 posted on 11/29/2007 11:15:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, November 27, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

I didn’t know that Greenland was considered part of North America.


36 posted on 11/29/2007 11:18:39 AM PST by DManA
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To: ZULU

The Anthropologists are missing the most glaring cause here — they left BECAUSE of the lutefisk. Anyone would. We did. That would be a compelling reason to emigrate if any would.

The academics — they always miss the common-sense hypotheses.


37 posted on 11/29/2007 11:19:43 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: blam
And we all drowned and died.
38 posted on 11/29/2007 11:21:05 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Foolsgold

So, this article mentions the Skraelings. Wasn’t that the name used by the settlers in North America? “The Skraelings came and killed most of us” or something?? I think so. Must mean ‘barbarians.’

Hey, maybe there were Muzzies up there.


39 posted on 11/29/2007 11:22:21 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: blam
I think it was said on that program that they refused to eat fish too.

My understanding is that the Inuit diet is lethal to most other humans.

40 posted on 11/29/2007 11:27:00 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: PeterPrinciple

They probably felt guilty for living in Greenland, which appears disproportionately bigger on the mercatur projection map.

You know, this is racist, because lighter skinned people tend to live in the northern latitudes, and this map makes those lands seem more important by making them seem bigger than those in southern latitudes, more often populated with darker skinned people.

(Has anyone else seen this line of leftist bllsht?)


41 posted on 11/29/2007 11:36:25 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: geopyg

Wait a minute, I thought global warming was causing shorter growing seasons in Alaska... at least, that’s what that little sobbing girl giving Congressional testimony said...


42 posted on 11/29/2007 11:37:39 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: bboop

Sounds fishy to me! The were lefsa lone and went off in search of seals!!!


43 posted on 11/29/2007 11:37:52 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: stefanbatory
You mean that Greenland really was green once and they didn’t merely name it that as a marketing gimick? :o

Yeah, I love how some professors consider Greenland to be a bit of Erik the Red marketing.

44 posted on 11/29/2007 11:43:52 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I recently learned that Senator Ben Nelson (D) FL was visiting Greenland on a fact-finding mission with MS Stretch and other various (D) members of the House and Senate. I called his office requestuing that while there he ask why it is named Greenland. The staffers’ “consensus” was that it was a marketing gimick...He never did call me back with the answer...:(


45 posted on 11/29/2007 11:47:05 AM PST by stefanbatory
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To: ZULU
I wonder what Ingebjorg looks like without that hood?

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46 posted on 11/29/2007 11:48:09 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: blam
It's well established that Greenland was settled during the Middle Ages Warm period (800-1350 AD). When things cooled-down again, crops in Greenland failed and they starved.
47 posted on 11/29/2007 11:52:41 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Ghengis

Is that REALLY her?


48 posted on 11/29/2007 11:57:40 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Is that REALLY her?

No. Actress, Frances McDormand. But I see a resemblance.

49 posted on 11/29/2007 12:03:51 PM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: blam

I wonder what kind of credits Al Gore will sell if we experience global cooling all of a suddden?


50 posted on 11/29/2007 12:04:07 PM PST by sappy
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