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Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'. (Drudge's Title)
(YouTube Via Drudge) ^

Posted on 12/18/2007 7:41:42 AM PST by mnehring

YouTube video via Drudge- Ron Paul quote this morning on Fox and Friends- "When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. "


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To: JerseyHighlander
Stop using such the flimsy canard of rolls of self selecting donors to smear candidates, it doesn’t hold any weight in rational discussions.

Nothing flimsy about taking donations from Truthers and Fascists. Nothing right about it either. It's disgusting.

Do you want the anti-sweatshop coalitions to be made aware that Mitt Romney, McCain, Clinton and others are accepting donations from slavers, and that both Bushes and both Clintons did the same?

Go for it, if that's what you want.

How about the fact that several states have Republican parties that are significantly by business owners who have over 50% illegal labor?

Disgusting. And I'm against it. Anything further you want to know?

351 posted on 12/18/2007 11:13:16 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Ohioan

Interesting, one thing about Paul is that he does not use common definitions of terms and so is often misunderstood. I don’t think he pays a lot of attention to the media or common culture. One example of this was in an interview where Paul was asked about what he meant by ‘neoconservatives’, a term which I always sort of shuddered due to its popular meaning/implication, especially its association with leftist ideology. Paul explained that his defintion of neoconservatism was simple conservatives who were domestic liberals who also believed in overseas intervention. In other words, they favored a big government approach at home and abroad. So, a fiscal conservative small government domestic person would not be considered a ‘neoconservative’ even if they supported basing our troops in the over 130 countries and 700 bases around the world. At least this was my understanding of it. However, Paul does need to be careful about what he says and how is perceived because not everyone is versed in his defintions of these things.


352 posted on 12/18/2007 11:15:12 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks
Reminds me of this...


353 posted on 12/18/2007 11:15:33 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: darkwing104

“Down here in the Redneck Rivera I have only seen one. A few bumper stickers (Non-Military). Pretty much non existent.”

Here in Arizona they are everywhere.


354 posted on 12/18/2007 11:17:27 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Badeye
I often wonder how many people who were banned run to those sites to badmouth the FR...


355 posted on 12/18/2007 11:17:34 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: RightCenter
I think the quote is something along the lines of "fascism will come here, but it'll call itself 'anti-fascism.'"

I think the modern day interpretation would be "when fascism comes here it'll be calling itself 'tolerance' or 'diversity.'"

I don't think the movement being addressed was necessarily patriotism, or Christianity, notwithstanding Huckabee's crass appeal to religious bigotry during this campaign.

356 posted on 12/18/2007 11:18:05 AM PST by Reaganite1984
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To: darkwing104

You can see it easily enough by hitting the ‘biker bar’ section from the home page, and just looking back over the past couple of years.

Its rare for a week to go by without a ‘Jim Robinson Watch’ thread being put up, or a cut and paste of an exchange between two of the thousands of posters registered here.

What really makes it laughable is the site hostess there has stated she won’t allow her site to be used to attack other forums....(chuckle)


357 posted on 12/18/2007 11:20:08 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: darkwing104
In the Dallas suburb where I live, I have seen just one Ron Paul bumper sticker and no yard signs, and two bumper stickers for Barack Obama. Ron Paul has yet to rise above the single digits in any state, much less nationally. His supporters’ enthusiasm and their ability to raise lots of money are meaningless if the votes are not forthcoming. The market for libertarian ideology is limited and the coalition is fractious. Can you imagine elderly Birchers who think Frank Sinatra was cutting edge abiding with 20 somethings with the stereotypical tattoos and piercings for much longer than the primary season?
358 posted on 12/18/2007 11:23:28 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Reaganite1984
I think this is a fictitious media creation, much like the Dean explosion,

Yes, there are some direct comparisons, but the social conservatives are still driving this and willingly now. So much so, that the MSM has shifted to dirt digging.

The national polls are reflecting this with solid numbers, and that did not last long in the case of Howard Dean.

I have not seen any breakdown yet, but I doubt that when it occurs the numbers will shift to Thompson. He is now dead in the water.

359 posted on 12/18/2007 11:24:51 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: mvpel; Izzy Dunne
What will fascism be wrapped in if/when it comes?

See post #6. That answer's about as concise as it gets. :-)

360 posted on 12/18/2007 11:26:14 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

love the tagline!! So true!


361 posted on 12/18/2007 11:26:17 AM PST by mosquitobite (The penalty for refusing to participate in politics is you end up being governed by your inferiors)
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To: Wallace T.
Ron Paul--Let The Second Phase Begin
362 posted on 12/18/2007 11:26:22 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: traviskicks
I guess those poor kids don't know what Ron Paul campaign funder Don Black has planned for them.
363 posted on 12/18/2007 11:27:32 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: GOPJ

I don’t think Ross Perot would agree with Run Paul’s idiology.


364 posted on 12/18/2007 11:27:54 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: Cold Heat
How is he dead in the water?

His numbers are increasing, his coverage is getting much better, and he's receiving endorsements from representatives of virtually every single pivotal conservative voting bloc.

Plus, he's hitting his stride in these debates, where he's 's made a distinctly positive impression upon potential voters.

There's no logical way for Huckabee's national numbers to be a realistic assessment of the Republican field, unless the Republican Party has suddenly a stand-in for the SBC.

365 posted on 12/18/2007 11:29:55 AM PST by Reaganite1984
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Liberalism is an ideology based in the 'faith' that no other Faith (ie. Christians) should dictate morals or values upon them and government should do everything to restrict and outlaw Christian influence in every aspect of daily life.

The majority of Dr. Paul's supports are Liberals, you can not deny that.

366 posted on 12/18/2007 11:33:21 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: traviskicks
Interesting, one thing about Paul is that he does not use common definitions of terms and so is often misunderstood. I don’t think he pays a lot of attention to the media or common culture.

You have put your finger on a problem, which is not limited to Paul, or any particular candidate for any office. The common definitions of all sorts of terms, in contemporary America, have been hopelessly corrupted by the talking heads and pseudo-intellectual poseurs of the mass media--who were in turn corrupted by the Leftwing faculties so prevalent in Academia today. The problem this creates for Conservatives is this:

Conservatism is based upon clear perception of truth. We are, after all, trying to preserve--and that is impossible without understanding what is, and what is not. But if we have to endlessly define how we are using terms, we use up the patience of our audience. Yet, if we do not carefully define our usage, we surrender the format of each issue to the Leftist word merchants--a disaster.

William Flax

367 posted on 12/18/2007 11:38:12 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Badeye

No, no, no no no.

The guy put down FR by saying the “FR way” and that offended me as a member ! read back through this darn thread. Read back through the thread. Read the damn thread before you make a false judgement. I know whatever kook site that is does not care about the truth.


368 posted on 12/18/2007 11:38:53 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Mike Huckabee for President !)
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To: SJackson; WakeUpAndVote

I’m thoroughly enjoying all of the new taglines this thread appears to have generated.


369 posted on 12/18/2007 11:39:29 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

‘Read the damn thread before you make a false judgement’

Yo, newbie. I DID READ THE THREAD.

I WASN’T PASSING JUDGEMENT.

I was noting your exchange with EEE is now fodder for the sites that exist primarily to serve those banned from FR.

Sheesh, don’t take that approach with me. We’re close neighbors here in small towns in Southern Ohio.


370 posted on 12/18/2007 11:43:16 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Badeye; darkwing104
You can see it easily enough by hitting the ‘biker bar’ section from the home page, and just looking back over the past couple of years.

< bragging mode> I was particularly honored recently on there with a nomination for "Worst FReeper." I can't tell you how flattering I found that. I didn't win, but I shall try harder.

< bragging mode off>

371 posted on 12/18/2007 11:43:35 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Badeye

I was more directing that to the kook site folks. Less to you.


372 posted on 12/18/2007 11:44:10 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Mike Huckabee for President !)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you!


373 posted on 12/18/2007 11:44:14 AM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Title: Another niner bites the dust
Source: “free”republic
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941213/posts#39
Published: Dec 18, 2007
Author: gcruse
Post Date: 2007-12-18 12:31:29 by gcruse
11 Comments

The proof of the pudding:

“What will fascism be wrapped in if/when it comes?”

Maybe freerepublic.com?

39 posted on 12/18/2007 10:50:40 AM EST by the tongue

A nine-year freeper sees fascism’s loss Of banning members for their opinions. For lack of a flag or wielding a cross, The tongue fell prey to RimJob’s minions.

I was thinking the same thing before reading the tongue’s post and would have made the same comparison myself had I not been already banned for similar observations.

Welcome to exile, Tongue, or up from fascism, it that is your pleasure.

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1. To: gcruse (#0)

Free Republic became just a shill for the official elites of the GOP as soon as the Klintons left the White House.

glc1173 posted on 2007-12-18 12:36:27 ET Reply Trace


2. To: glc1173 (#1)

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
you are not going to be around here very long. I just get that gut feeling.

274 posted on 12/18/2007 12:49:55 PM EST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Mike Huckabee for President !) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 259 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

Another niner, EEE, is circling the Rim. Even a newbie sees it and comments. The oldest freepers seem to be getting the ax the most. Maybe it’s because they realize most what RimJob has thrown away.

gcruse posted on 2007-12-18 13:05:03 ET Reply Trace


3. To: gcruse (#2)

Maybe it’s because they realize most what RimJob has thrown away.
Or they feel more secure because they’ve got seniority. Doesn’t matter though if you’re not in goose-step with JR.

Millee posted on 2007-12-18 13:12:05 ET (1 image) Reply Trace


4. To: Millee (#3)

Or they feel more secure because they’ve got seniority.
When the most senior members, of a decade’s standing, are banned and labelled “trolls,” you realize security comes only from BEING RimJob.

gcruse posted on 2007-12-18 13:24:19 ET Reply Trace


5. To: glc1173 (#1)
Many of the posts on FR display fear and halting caution. Quite often one will see a poster say something slightly provovative but also add in qualifying ass covering statements so he doesn’t appear to be a “bad thinker.”

For instance- when freepers criticize Bush over something it is almost ritual that they must include a qualifier like:

“Bush has a poor record when it come to X issue- don’t get me wrong here- the DemonRATS are worse- much worse- but Bush could do better than he has on X issue.”

A counter balancing criticism of “Liberals” and the DemonRATS always has to be inserted when Dear Leader is being criticized.

Burkeman1 posted on 2007-12-18 13:26:41 ET Reply Trace


6. To: gcruse (#0)

Maybe freerepublic.com?
39 posted on 12/18/2007 10:50:40 AM EST by the tongue

Hey, he used a question mark to at least soften the blow.

Fred Mertz posted on 2007-12-18 13:54:23 ET Reply Trace


7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
The question mark prolly saved him from being nuked, instead of merely banned. LOL

gcruse posted on 2007-12-18 14:28:52 ET Reply Trace


8. To: gcruse (#7)

The question mark prolly saved him from being nuked, instead of merely banned. LOL
Did you know that Fred Mertz has his head up his ass?

Willie Green posted on 2007-12-18 14:33:44 ET Reply Trace


9. To: Willie Green (#8)

Did you know that Fred Mertz has his head up his ass?
Well, according to this freeper post, we’re all a bunch of kooks over her, anyway, Willie.

“Its worth noting a kook site is citing this exchange as an example of Free Republic and Jim Robinson ‘purging’ anyone that doesn’t toe the line here at FR.”

gcruse posted on 2007-12-18 14:42:13 ET Reply Trace


10. To: gcruse (#0)
It figures that freepers are too stupid to know how to read. The quote means that fascists will pretend to be Christians and Patriots while implementing fascism.

Rhino posted on 2007-12-18 14:43:14 ET Reply Trace


11. To: gcruse (#9)

“Its worth noting a kook site is citing this exchange as an example of Free Republic and Jim Robinson ‘purging’ anyone that doesn’t toe the line here at FR.”

...Don’t you ever wonder how and why the politically inexperienced, bad boy, G W Bush, got himself born again, rehabilitated and groomed to become governor of Texas? Not to mention front-runner in the Presidential race? What experience did/does he have for either position? A Bush presidency will be very dangerous for America.

30 Posted on 10/23/1999 18:02:42 PDT by Jim Robinson
(George Bush Covers-up for Clinton and China)

Willie Green posted on 2007-12-18 14:46:31 ET Reply Trace

(FYI)


374 posted on 12/18/2007 11:44:38 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Allegra
I wonder how many times I've been mentioned... :-)


375 posted on 12/18/2007 11:45:12 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Allegra

I saw that....(chuckle)

And the comment I would be offended by not being named ‘worst Freeper’.....LOL!


376 posted on 12/18/2007 11:45:42 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Shouldn’t have been directed at ME at all, SOYC.

I read these threads.


377 posted on 12/18/2007 11:46:17 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Badeye

I see. they took that out of context.

EEE did insult freepers.


378 posted on 12/18/2007 11:46:26 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Mike Huckabee for President !)
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To: Greg F
He quotes a socialist, athiest, and alcoholic in denigration of the flag and the cross when asked about Huckabee’s Christmas message. Sheesh. Are you an employee that has to pretend you don’t see the problem or that it’s a bone-headed move politically?

As I said...

It would seem to me that it's only "politically stupid" if the majority of the audience is subject to fits of hypersensitivity and/or overreaction - it would be expected of them to categorize any remarks Ron Paul makes in that context. As evidenced.

Now we've gone from Ron Paul "attacking" religion and patriotism to accusing someone of being a clueless employee of his campaign.

I think I've proven my point here.

379 posted on 12/18/2007 11:46:28 AM PST by dbwz (kthxbai)
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To: EternalVigilance

Peel away the layers of a liberal, and it won’t take long to reveal someone who has real issues with God.


I’ve noticed that with just about everyone I know...not so much the ethereal abstract “God” but real issues with an active involved Lord Jesus.


380 posted on 12/18/2007 11:46:49 AM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Figured you’d like to see what I was talking about.


381 posted on 12/18/2007 11:47:21 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Badeye

ok. I apologize my friend.


382 posted on 12/18/2007 11:47:23 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Mike Huckabee for President !)
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To: DesScorp

“When the Moonbats come, they’ll be carrying “Ron Paul Revolution” signs.”

I am in Mass and I have seen bumper stickers on buildings and property with Ron Paul for prez.

When I first saw those, I knew this guy was a loon.

I would see protesters with Ron Paul for Prez signs.
The usual protesters whining about the palistains.

I am willing to bet george soros is funding this guy.


383 posted on 12/18/2007 11:47:43 AM PST by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: mnehrling

Sometimes I wish TR would revisit Earth and beat the c**p out of certain persons who call themselves patriots.


384 posted on 12/18/2007 11:48:43 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

No problemo.


385 posted on 12/18/2007 11:48:49 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: TexasCajun
The majority of Dr. Paul's supports are Liberals, you can not deny that.

As an early Goldwater supporter, later Reagan supporter, I would emphatically deny your suggestion. Dr. Paul is the candidate of those of us who have throughout our adult lives fought for the values of the Founding Fathers, for a political society based upon individual responsibility and accountability; for public office holders who respect the limitations on their power and prerogatives; for sound money and secure borders.

You also define "liberals," in a way that really does not scan. What you have suggested is not "liberal," or libertarian, but part of the ACLU attack on the Faith that underpins the mettle of most American Conservatives. Certainly that is very far indeed from a fair comment here. Ron Paul is, himself, a man of strong relgious Faith. But as an advocate of the limited Government that the Founding Fathers vouchsafed to their posterity, that is not an issue in this campaign.

William Flax

386 posted on 12/18/2007 11:49:10 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: bcsco

Any candidate for President generally accepts donations from people of all kinds, including individuals who subscribe to collective ideas. We ought consider a danger those collective ideas that would, in practice, override individual rights and responsibilities, particularly when they would be subsumed under the authority of the Federal Government.

I do not want a President who attains to the office of Theologian in Chief. Such danger does not reside in the person of Ron Paul, but it might reside in a candidate who uses his particular faith explicitly as a reason to be elected.


387 posted on 12/18/2007 11:50:02 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Badeye; darkwing104
Heh! they're over there talking about this thread right now. LOL
388 posted on 12/18/2007 11:50:39 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Badeye

They’re offended by FR, who’d have thought.


389 posted on 12/18/2007 11:51:42 AM PST by SJackson (uh, Congressman, you know, uh, Gov Huckabee is not selling fascism, he's sending a Christmas message)
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To: servantboy777; TexasCajun

Dr. Paul and his wife were married in a Presbyterian church, and their five children were baptized Episcopalian. I’m not sure what church he attends now.

I am fairly sure that he’s not a Christian-hater, though.


390 posted on 12/18/2007 11:52:20 AM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: Allegra

Yep, thats why I copied it.

Its amusing, especially if you know the site hostess there posted in the last year she wouldn’t allow her site to be used to bash other forums....note how many FR bashing threads you can find in the ‘biker bar’ section, going back for years.

for a time they had a weekly - sometimes daily - thread titled ‘Jim Robinson watch’.

Ya know what else is amusing? That site owner still has an account here at FR....


391 posted on 12/18/2007 11:53:02 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: SJackson

Most of em are still pissed they got banned from here. Its basically the only reason that site exists, along with its ‘LP lite’ offshoots for the even more insane, like Freedumb4em....(chuckle)


392 posted on 12/18/2007 11:54:21 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Wallace T.

I’ve seen lots of Ron Paul campaign advocacy over here, which is surprising since this borough probably has more crossdressers than voters enrolled in the LP.


393 posted on 12/18/2007 11:54:28 AM PST by Reaganite1984
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

yep

I would prefer Christian haters to be honest....but they hide


394 posted on 12/18/2007 11:54:36 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Dr. Paul has promised his wife that he will only run as a Republican. So of course, he’d deny any intention of running third-party.


395 posted on 12/18/2007 11:55:14 AM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: mnehrling
You know, one of the things that bothers me about Huckabee, besides the fact he is another gov from Arkansas, is this wearing of religion on his sleeve. Perhaps its just the appearance--and perhaps that perception is because thats all the media can fixate on, but its my perception.

Now I am a registered independent, not a republican, so until November, I won't be able to place my mark.

I agree with Paul. The candiates are not running for National Pastor. And if Huckabee is nominated, say hello to Obama, or Hillary, or however.

Why? Americans like having a little religion with their candiates, but not to the point of thats their identity. We like our leaders to speak of g-d in those general terms, and those terms are ideas of hope and deliverance and thanks. I guess what I am saying is that as a nation we like haveing our president appearing to be non-denominational. We don;t mind the cross, we just don't want to be beaten with it.

As an independent, I like THompson and I like Paul. Methinks here on this board, the republicans don;t like Paul because his stance on getting away from foriegn entanglements. And quite frankly I dont; like my money going to the Palis (THanks Condi), or a host of other "Stanistans".

I also like the idea of abolishing govenment agency after government agency.

THe president is not the nations schools superintendent.

Although unrealistic, I would like to see the US bring ALL troops home. Build the militray back to a 2.5 million man army. Bring the Navy back to at least a 600 ship navy. Beef up the airforce.

I would also like to see a crash re-industrialization of America.

I would also like to see a full exploitation of our resources to the ends that we develop NEW renewable, "miracle" resources.

Borders that are secure, both north and south, east and west.

equal trade

No treaties, except for trade treaties. Maybe a 50 year "time out" from world entanglements. Neutral, Neutral, Neutral....

Isolation? Sure, why not for a while. Screw em all. But that doesn't not mean America as a pansy. Any threat will be met with total destruction and salt will be spread on the spot as a warning...

Its an unrealistic dream

But I have digressed severely here.

Well its enough to chew on for the moment. Flame on folks!

396 posted on 12/18/2007 11:55:54 AM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing"only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: italianquaker
That skid doesnt do well here in the south

You don't say. Well the few folks I've talked to that heard it in context and have seen Tax Hike Mike's ad think the criticism works quite well.

397 posted on 12/18/2007 11:56:50 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Allegra; Badeye; darkwing104
What’s really funny, or maybe ironic about tat is LibertyPost went through a purge of Paulvestites a while back and have banned Paul spamming.
398 posted on 12/18/2007 11:56:57 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: dbwz

If your point is that Ron Paul is the punch line of a political joke, I agree.


399 posted on 12/18/2007 11:58:44 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: mnehrling

Dag! I thought for sure it would be wrapped in a burqa and carrying the Koran.

Hot diggidy doodily! Sure is a swell thing to have all these neat politicians leading the way, neighbor.


400 posted on 12/18/2007 11:59:27 AM PST by incredulous joe ("Alan Keyes is my homeboy!")
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