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Al Qaeda Document: Zarqawi Came to Iraq Before The War To Prepare The Fight Against U.S
Al Qaeda document | March 16 2008 | jveritas

Posted on 03/16/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by jveritas

On February 17 2008, Al-Ekhlaas which is the largest terrorist forum on the internet published an Al Qaeda document that talks about the life of Abou Musaab Al Zarqawi and indicates that Zarqawi came to Iraq before the war to prepare the terrorist insurgency against the US troops. According to the document Zarqawi arrived to the Sunni areas in central Iraq. This document was written by one of Al Qaeda top leaders called “Saif Al Adel”.

There were many accounts about Zarqawi presence in Iraq before the war in particular in Northern Iraq with “Ansar Al Islam” an active Al Qaeda affiliated terrorist group that was present in the Kurdish areas of Iraq long before the war started. The document also proves that Ansar Al Islam helped Al Qaeda members establish themselves in Iraq before the war started.

The author of the document wrote that there were no relations between Saddam regime and Al Qaeda but this does not negate at all the most important fact that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before the war for the sole purpose of preparing for its most important front to fight the U.S and it is now in Iraq where Al Qaeda is suffering its most crushing defeat since its existence.

It is very important to note that despite the author of the document denial of a relationship between Saddam regime and Al Qaeda it does not mean that Saddam regime was not aware of Al Qaeda presence in Iraq. In fact the documents clearly points out that Zarqawi went to the Sunni areas in Central Iraq before the war and these areas were totally controlled and loyal to Saddam regime and it very hard to imagine that Zarqawi stayed and prepared his terrorist sleepers cells in these Sunni areas without the approval of Saddam regime.

El-Ekhlaas terrorist forum is a password protected so you cannot access the document unless you are registered there as a member.

Below is a partial translation of Al Qaeda document written by “Saif Al Adel”.

" We started the work and the contact with the leadership, and we began to support and help the leadership again, and this was our goal after we left Afghanistan. We began establishing the fighter groups. On one hand to return to Afghanistan and conduct planned operations there, and on the other hand we began to study the situation of the groups and bothers to find new places for them. After long discussions, brother Abou Mussab with his Palestinian and Jordanian companions decided to go to Iraq because of their dialects they can quickly mix and assimilate in the Iraqi society. Our analysis was that the Americans were going to make the mistake sooner or later to invade Iraq, that this invasion will lead to the fall of the regime, and that we should play an important role in the confrontation and resistance, and that this is our historical chance to establish the Islamic State who will have the biggest role in removing injustice and establish justice in this world allah willing. I was in agreement with brother Abou Mussab regarding this analysis. There were no relation between Al Qaeda and Saddam regime that is worth mentioning, as opposite to what the Americans are saying so they can create excuse and legal justifications according to their laws that they imposed on the world that is enslaved by the West, the Israelis and the Anglo-Saxons.

The plan was to have our brothers enter Iraq from the North, where the road is not controlled y the regime, and then go down South to the Sunni areas where we have some of our brothers. Also the brothers in “Ansar Al Islam” showed their willingness to give us any help to achieve this goal.

The Americans noticed that the Iranians were having a blind eye against our activities in Iran so they began a media attack against Iran accusing them of helping Al Qaeda and international terrorism. The steps taken by the Iranians had confused us and had caused 75% of our plans to fail. Many of our comrades were arrested. 80% of Abou Musaab Al Zarqawi group members were arrested. There should be a quick plan to arrange the escape of Zarqawi and the remaining of his group, the destination was Iraq and the route was the Northern borders between Iraq and Iran. The goal was to reach the Sunni areas in central Iraq and the beginning of the preparation to confront the US invasion and defeat it allah willing. The choice was not arbitrary but a studied one.

When he said goodbye to me leaving for Iraq, Abou Musaab has added a new dimension to his personality. This new dimension focused on punishing the Americans for the crimes that they committed in their bombing of Afghanistan and that he witnessed in his own eyes, the hate and hostility that Abou Mussab had for the Americans guaranteed to form new traits to Abou Musaab personality."

End of partial translation.


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; alqaedainiraq; bush; flypaper; iran; iraq; jveritas; prequel; prewardocs; saddam; terrorism; translations; wardocs; wot; zarqawi
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To: april15Bendovr

I will actually have a LOT of time this summer to help with a project like that. Just pretty busy till then.


201 posted on 03/17/2008 6:29:19 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: jveritas; ikez78; All
Joseph if we can take the best of all the ideas presented. I can have my wife edit it and send it off.

I like Ikez 78 idea of having everyone blanket McCains press adviser with the same email.

202 posted on 03/17/2008 6:31:26 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: ikez78
You have been very helpful and thank you for letting me use you Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson interview on my Salman Pak video.

That interview has helped people to understand what the Clinton administration knew before we invaded Iraq.

203 posted on 03/17/2008 6:39:48 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

If she’s an editor she’ll definitely know about that!

Now we need to think about content...


204 posted on 03/17/2008 6:48:33 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: april15Bendovr
Chris

Let us talk about it tomorrow over the phone if you have some time.

205 posted on 03/17/2008 6:56:42 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

I’m going to stomp out mental illness at 2pm. I am available up till them.


206 posted on 03/17/2008 7:01:39 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

Please give me a call in the morning when you have time. Thank you.


207 posted on 03/17/2008 7:08:10 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: ikez78

Right, Hillary is on the Senate Committee on Armed Services. She has more experience than Obama when it comes to foreign policy.


208 posted on 03/17/2008 7:28:00 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: april15Bendovr

Dear Rachel Dean:

cc: Liberal Main Stream Media

Dear America Hating Leftist Traitors,

You have steadfastly maintained ad nauseum that al Qaeda is NOT in Iraq. You forgot to send al Qaeda the message that they are not in Iraq.

Thank you,

Folks who don’t want to get blown up by Islamofascists


209 posted on 03/17/2008 9:16:35 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: avacado

bookmark


210 posted on 03/17/2008 9:48:50 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: navyguy

Pardon my ignorance, but what is MLA format?


211 posted on 03/17/2008 9:54:05 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: jveritas

“The Ekhlaas terrorist forum did not show a date on this document because they did not publish the full document. From the text it indicates that it was written by Saif Al Adel after the war in Iraq began. The document is a biography of Zarqawi by Al Adel.”

Thank you Joseph.

I was attempting to determine if the date on the document might tell us something. I am a little surprised that this document is on the website you found it on at this point in time. I presume it was posted as some type of propaganda for the terrorists. The only other thing that might make sense is if the document had been lost until recently. I guess I was wanting to see if there was a way to distinguish which way that ball bounced.

If you find the complete document at some later date, please ping me.

Thank you again FRiend.


212 posted on 03/17/2008 10:22:55 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast; jveritas; april15Bendovr
That's pretty good, though it might help to make more, smaller bulleted paragraphs.

Other than the introductory paragraph, if it sounds like a ready to use list of straight to the point one liners (all with citations), it'd be easy to memorize so easy to use, even in response to an unanticipated question.

He could have an aid do a quick fact check, then use the points as the backbone for a number of speeches.

It'd sure be worth a try.

213 posted on 03/17/2008 10:56:55 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: 4woodenboats

MLA is Modern Language Association. They basically define the proper format for things like research papers, essays, reference citations, etc... They have established a set of rules that define how non-fiction material should be formatted. For example: Indents should alsways be 5 spaces, all text should be double spaced, etc... It seems trivial but for ‘official’ documents its rather important. And if you really study it it’s actually very nit picky about almost everything you could ever type on paper.

Hope that helps!


214 posted on 03/18/2008 1:20:16 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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Bump


215 posted on 03/18/2008 2:15:13 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

I will do so.


216 posted on 03/18/2008 5:12:34 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: freema

Took note and responded to A and V. Thanks.


217 posted on 03/18/2008 12:18:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: april15Bendovr

Bump to break through the Obama monopoly of the news.


218 posted on 03/18/2008 1:12:34 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: avacado

Bump


219 posted on 03/18/2008 1:13:01 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: navyguy

Aye carumba ~ no habla MLA ;-)


220 posted on 03/18/2008 3:08:21 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: 4woodenboats

That’s OK... I barely speak it!

:-)


221 posted on 03/18/2008 6:13:27 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: jveritas
Good job, jveritas. You got it right. al-queda and all the other jihadis threw everything they had into the ultimate battle against the Infidels and earned nothing but virgin goats in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Take care and watch your back.

222 posted on 03/19/2008 4:59:24 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Eagles6

Thank you very much FRiend.


223 posted on 03/19/2008 6:09:54 PM PDT by jveritas (Rush Limbaugh (El Zibo) for President (extreme sarcasm))
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To: jveritas; All

This is a huge list of media contacts to get the word out that I wanted everyone to have/use in case they don’t already have.

http://www.conservativeusa.org/megalink.htm#talkshows


224 posted on 03/25/2008 12:26:48 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: jveritas

Joseph I found this link from The Jamestown Foundation, Global Terrorism Analysis helpful.

It describes very well the Zarqawi history including when he joined up with Ansar Al Islam.

http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369021

“After spending some time in a Jordanian prison, Zarqawi returned to Afghanistan and subsequently established a training camp in the western city of Herat. Though he apparently assembled 80 to 100 people, largely Palestinians and Jordanians committed to jihad but with no formal name for the group, there is not thought to have been any links to al-Qaeda at this time. Evidence gathered from Shadi Abdullah, an Islamist arrested in Germany in 2002, even points to competition between Zarqawi and bin Laden for recruits during this period, though Zarqawi seemed far more focused on overthrowing the Jordanian regime and recruited almost exclusively Palestinians and Jordanians.

After the U.S. attacked the Taliban, Zarqawi moved first to Iran. He was then pressured to move on and traveled just over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan as the only available place for refuge. Here he developed links with a new generation of Salifists who had not fought in the original Afghan jihad, including Ansar al-Islam, which had established itself on the Iranian border and taken control of a number of villages. Reports from militants claim that Iran was concerned over their location and asked them to move three miles from the border to avoid any direct contact between Iranians and the Ansar forces. Jihadist fighters then flowed into Northern Iraq from Afghanistan and Pakistan through Iran. [4]”


225 posted on 03/25/2008 3:49:40 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: ImaTexan

ping


226 posted on 05/03/2008 3:03:16 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: bjcintennessee

bump


227 posted on 05/03/2008 3:31:11 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: jveritas

ping


228 posted on 05/03/2008 3:33:02 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Also here is the transcript of the terrorists who got caught attempting a chemical attack in Jordan to kill 80,000 people and to hit US interests as they confess. They discuss how they set up camp in Iraq with Al Zarqawi after Afghanistan fell to the coalition forces.”

Its my view evidence that the Jordanian government has on Zarqawi training with Ansar Al Islam before this attempted attack makes this a slam dunk case. “the smoking gun”

The State Dept confirms it.

Country Report on Terrorism

Jordan

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/jordan/77378.htm


229 posted on 06/23/2008 5:22:46 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr
"Jordan’s State Security court, which has purview over terrorism-related cases, maintained a heavy caseload over the year, most of which involved Zarqawi-affiliated suspects. The Court in April sentenced eight men to death, including Zarqawi and five others in absentia, for the murder of USAID official Laurence Foley in front of his Amman home on October 28, 2002. "

From your link.

That plot was planned while Zarqawi was based in Iraq, pre Iraq war.

230 posted on 06/23/2008 5:54:31 AM PDT by avacado
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To: april15Bendovr

Thanks.,


231 posted on 06/23/2008 9:37:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

Correct

This report below is a very interesting read and the information provided ties a lot of the connections together between Ansar Al Islam, Krekar, Zarqawi and Saddam’s Mukhabarat including Abu Wael.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:siK3YClTlmcJ:www.cpt-mi.org/Ansar%2520al-Is

Ansar al-Islam Dossier

CENTER FOR POLICING TERRORISM

“CPT”

July 30, 2004

PREPARED FOR THE CPT BY DAN DARLING

“3. Middle East. In addition to its documented presence in Iran noted in Section
1.11a, Ansar also appears to have maintained at least some infrastructure in Syria.
Italian investigators believe that two of the group’s leaders, Mullah Fuad and
Abderrazak, were active in Syria prior to OIF. 101

These Syria-based leaders are believed to have been working to coordinate the travel of European extremists tothe Ansar enclave in Iraqi Kurdistan for training.102

There also appear to have been ties between Ansar and al Qaeda cells based in Jordan, possibly the same al Tawhid network that would later assassinate a US diplomat in October 2002 and attempt to use chemical agents against five targets in April 2004.10”

Now if you look at this article the Italian Judge also believed the same info after reading the phone taps of Omar.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=2267

Who is Abu Omar? Extracts from the Italian Police Surveillance Tapes

“** Judge Salvini notes that this “could be a reference to the terrorist organization Tawhid wal Jihad of Abu Mussab Al Zarqawi.”


232 posted on 06/23/2008 10:11:23 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas

bump


233 posted on 06/23/2008 10:12:35 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: navyguy

I would argue the piece above refutes your charges and does infact present a case for detailed and substantial plans.

You underestimate their abilites by a very wide margin.

Apparently you forgot they carried out very sophisticated, multipronged and successful attacks on 9/11.


234 posted on 06/23/2008 10:21:21 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: bert

I don’t underestimate their abilities, I am criticising their understanding of the term ‘analysis’. They PLAN things, but they aren’t very good at analysis.

And no, I haven’t forgotten 9/11 and yes, they are a bunch of sub-retarded goons, regardless of any planning they get away with.


235 posted on 06/23/2008 11:21:33 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

Adding to post #232

It appears Newsweek was aware of this.

Terror Watch: More Questions on Missing Imam

http://www.newsweek.com/id/49936/output/print

“The court summary identifies Abu Omar—describing him as an “Egyptian
extremist”—as one of a number of suspected terror operatives who were involved
in recruiting fighters for the camps in Iraq, as well as procuring and
distributing false travel documents and the raising of funds. It also quotes
from a June 15, 2002, wiretap of a conversation between Abu Omar and an
unidentified visitor from Germany in which the two talk about a “secret meeting
in Poland with the sheiks” that would help build a new jihadi organization to be
financed by sympathizers in Saudi Arabia. At one point, the visitor says, “We
are also waiting [for] the sheikh from Iraq”—an apparent reference, the
document asserts, to Mullah Krekar, the radical cleric believed to have been a
founder of Ansar Al-Islam. The document states that the conversation “clearly
demonstrated the intention to organize a new subversive international terrorist
structure ... that obeyed the decisions of Al Tawhid [Zarqawi’s organization
] for the commissioning of attacks.”

This transcripts and other records in the case show that Abu Omar was “directly
in contact with the representatives of the Zarqawi group and Ansar Al-Islam,”
says Jean-Charles Brisard, a Paris-based terror researcher who works closely
with lawyers representing families of September 11 victims.”


236 posted on 06/23/2008 12:53:55 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

Also add in this evidence at Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128193,00.html

Iraq Evidence Led Feds to Albany

Saturday, August 07, 2004

ALBANY, N.Y. — Information found in Iraq led federal investigators to become suspicious of an Albany, N.Y., mosque leader, FOX News has learned.

Last summer, U.S. troops discovered Yassin Muhhiddin Aref’s (search) name, telephone number and address in a book left behind in a vacated terrorist training camp, a U.S. official told FOX News. The book also revealed that Ansar al-Islam, the group running the camp, had given Aref a title: “the commander.”

Aref also made several telephone calls to individuals in Iraq within the past year, the official said.

Aref, 34, is the Imam of the Masjid As-Salam mosque in Albany, N.Y. He and one other mosque leader were arrested Thursday and charged with helping an undercover informant posing as a weapons dealer who was plotting to buy a shoulder-launched missile that would be used to kill the Pakistani ambassador in New York City.

Aref and Mohammed Mosharref Hossain (search), the 49-year-old founder of the mosque and owner of the local Little Italy Pizzeria, were allegedly collaborating with someone who was not a terrorist but an informant participating in a sting operation; no missile ever was exchanged.

Click to read the charges (FindLaw pdf).

Earlier on Thursday, law enforcement officials said the men had possible ties to Ansar al-Islam, which has been linked to Usama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda (search) terror network. However, that link was not noted in court documents.

Ansar al-Islam (search) has claimed responsibility for a series of bombings, kidnappings and killings in Iraq, and has ties to the U.S.-led coalition’s most-wanted terrorist there, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search).


237 posted on 06/23/2008 4:46:00 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

Excellent ....


238 posted on 06/23/2008 7:55:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: april15Bendovr

We need to run over the Taliban in the Pakistan Tribal area so we can get hold of more notebooks....


239 posted on 06/23/2008 7:56:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

This is what Congress knew.

Report for Congress prepared by Kenneth Katzman

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:-F7EhPU_DBQJ:www.fas.org/man/crs/RL31339.pdf+Iraq:+U.S.+Regime+Change+Efforts+%26+Post-saddam+Governance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Iraq: U.S. Regime Change Efforts
and Post-Saddam Governance
Updated November 25, 2003
Kenneth Katzman
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division

Congressional Research Service ˜ The Library of Congress

pg 9 of 47

Ansar al-Islam/Al Qaeda/Zarqawi. In the mid-1990s, the two main
Kurdish parties enjoyed good relations with a small Kurdish Islamic faction, the
Islamic Movement of Iraqi Kurdistan (IMIK), which is headed by Shaikh Ali Abd-al
Aziz. Based in Halabja, Iraq, the IMIK publicized the effects of Baghdad’s March
1988 chemical attack on that city, and it allied with the PUK in 1998.
A radical faction of the IMIK split off in 1998, calling itself the Jund al-Islam
(Army of Islam). It later changed its name to Ansar al-Islam (Partisans of Islam).
This Ansar faction was led by Mullah Krekar, an Islamist Kurd who reportedly had
once studied under Shaikh Abdullah al-Azzam, an Islamic theologian of Palestinian
origin who was the spiritual mentor of Osama bin Laden. Ansar reportedly
associated itself with Al Qaeda and agreed to host in its northern Iraq enclave Al
Qaeda fighters, mostly of Arab origin, who had fled the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan
in 2001. Prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom, during which its base was captured,
about 600 primarily Arab fighters lived in the Ansar al-Islam enclave, near the town

CRS-6
of Khurmal.4 Ansar fighters clashed with the PUK around Halabja in December
2002, and Ansar gunmen were allegedly responsible for an assassination attempt
against PUK prime minister Barham Salih in April 2002. Possibly because his Ansar
movement was largely taken over by the Arab fighters from Afghanistan, Krekar left
northern Iraq for northern Europe. He was detained in Norway in August 2002 and
now lives there under varying degrees of official restriction.

The leader of the Arab contingent within Ansar al-Islam is said by U.S. officials
to be Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an Arab of Jordanian origin who reputedly fought in
Afghanistan. Zarqawi has been linked to Al Qaeda plots in Jordan during the
December 1999 millennium celebration, the assassination in Jordan of U.S. diplomat
Lawrence Foley (2002), and to reported attempts in 2002 to spread the biological
agent ricin in London and possibly other places in Europe. In a presentation to the
U.N. Security Council on February 5, 2003, Secretary of State Powell tied Zarqawi
and Ansar to Saddam Hussein’s regime, which might have viewed Ansar al-Islam as
a means of pressuring Baghdad’s Kurdish opponents. Although Zarqawi reportedly
received medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002 after fleeing Afghanistan, many
experts believed Baghdad-Ansar links were tenuous or even non-existent; Baghdad
did not control northern Iraq even before Operation Iraqi Freedom.5 Zarqawi’s
current whereabouts are unknown, although some unconfirmed press reports indicate
he might have fled to Iran after the fall of the Ansar camp to U.S.-led forces. Some
recent press accounts say Iran might have him in custody.6 U.S. officials have said
since August 2003 that some Ansar fighters, possibly at the direction of Zarqawi,
might have remained in or re-entered Iraq and are participating in the resistance to
the U.S. occupation, possibly including organizing acts of terrorism such as recent
car/truck bombings (see below). One press report quotes U.S. intelligence as
assessing the number of Ansar fighters inside Iraq at 150.7 Ansar al-Islam is not
listed by the State Department as Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO).


240 posted on 06/23/2008 8:33:18 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas
“many experts believed Baghdad-Ansar links were tenuous or even non-existent”

Lets have congress name these people and find out if these so called experts would still stand by that belief considering all the evidence collected.

How do we know these so called experts aren't the Valerie Plames of the CIA?

I would like to know who these experts are and why they came to that conclusion when it is clear Ansar Al Islam was getting money, training and weapons from Saddams Mukharabat?

Post #240 could only make it more clear that Congress Knew Zarqawi was working with Al Qaeda and this Kenneth Katzman report is a confirmation.

Congress would benifit by reading the Jveritas translated document between Saif Al Adel and Zarqawi working with Ansar Al Islam. "But would they ever read it?"

241 posted on 06/24/2008 7:38:14 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

Ansar Al Islam terrorist group would not possibly exist without the backup and support of Saddam regime. Both Saddam and Ansar Al Islam had a common enemy: “The Kurds”.


242 posted on 06/24/2008 7:46:53 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: april15Bendovr; jveritas
" Although Zarqawi reportedly received medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002 after fleeing Afghanistan, many experts believed Baghdad-Ansar links were tenuous or even non-existent;"

I thought the new Pentagon report called the "Iraqi Perspective Project" stated that Saddam funded Ansar al-Islam as did Al-Zawahiri, independently of each other.

243 posted on 06/24/2008 7:53:24 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

Check out this article in the Weekly Standard

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/768rwsbj.asp?pg=1

Saddam’s Ambassador to al Qaeda
From the March 1, 2004 issue: An Iraqi prisoner details Saddam’s links to Osama bin Laden’s terror network.
by Jonathan Schanzer
03/01/2004, Volume 009, Issue 24

“A RECENTLY INTERCEPTED MESSAGE from Iraq-based terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi asking the al Qaeda leadership for reinforcements reignited the debate over al Qaeda ties with Saddam Hussein’s fallen Baath regime. William Safire of the New York Times called the message a “smoking gun,” while the University of Michigan’s Juan Cole says that Safire “offers not even one document to prove” the Saddam-al Qaeda nexus. What you are about to read bears directly on that debate. It is based on a recent interview with Abdul Rahman al-Shamari, who served in Saddam’s secret police, the Mukhabarat, from 1997 to 2002, and is currently sitting in a Kurdish prison. Al-Shamari says that he worked for a man who was Saddam’s envoy to al Qaeda.”

“In addition to weapons, al-Shamari said, the Mukhabarat also helped finance Ansar al Islam. “On one occasion we gave them ten million Swiss dinars [$700,000],” al-Shamari said, referring to the pre-1990 Iraqi currency. On other occasions, the Mukhabarat provided more than that. The assistance, he added, was furnished “every month or two months.”


244 posted on 06/24/2008 7:58:28 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas
The Al-Douri Factor
How one of Saddam's closest Baath party aides came to be an ally of militant Islamists.
by Dan Darling
07/20/2005 12:00:00 AM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=5851&R=ED839E

Such current ties to al Qaeda and its allies raise the inevitable question of whether or not any existed prior to the war. According to a March 2002 New Yorker article by Jeffrey Goldberg, another Iraqi imprisoned intelligence officer named Qassem Hussein Muhammed, who had been captured by Kurdish forces en route to the Ansar al-Islam enclave, had claimed that Abu Wael was “the actual decision-maker” for the group and “an employee of the Mukhabarat,” the Arabic name for Iraqi intelligence.

While traveling through northern Iraq in 2002, Jonathan Schanzer, a specialist in radical Islamic movements at the Washington Institute for Near East policy, met a former member of Iraqi intelligence named Abdul Rahman al-Shamari, who had been imprisoned by the Kurds since March 2002. Al Shamari revealed a wealth of purported information about pre-war ties between Iraq and al Qaeda, including details about the activities of Colonel Saadan Mahmoud Abdul Latif, a member of Ansar al-Islam's ruling council far better known as Abu Wael. Al-Shamari went even further than Muhammed, claiming that Abu Wael had married one of al-Douri’s cousins and had even met with Saddam Hussein “four or five times.” Claims of Iraqi assistance to Ansar al-Islam are even supported by the 9/11 Commission which—despite having been widely reported as having “debunked” claims of such a link—also noted cryptically: “There are indications that by then [2001] the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al-Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.”

Joseph

I spoke with Jonathan Schanzer on the phone when looking for the U.S. delegation that visited the Communist Party in Iraq. Mark gave me his name as a contact. He was very helpful.

245 posted on 06/24/2008 8:46:13 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: avacado

“I thought the new Pentagon report called the “Iraqi Perspective Project” stated that Saddam funded Ansar al-Islam as did Al-Zawahiri, independently of each other.”

There are five volumes

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/index.html

Do you know which volume I could look as a quick reference?


246 posted on 06/24/2008 9:58:38 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr
"Do you know which volume I could look as a quick reference?"

It was from a discussion here at FR from a NRO article that stated such... I believe.

247 posted on 06/24/2008 10:09:05 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78; jveritas

I found it in a Stephen Hayes Weekly Standard article.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=14889

Saddam’s Dangerous Friends
What a Pentagon review of 600,000 Iraqi documents tells us.
by Stephen F. Hayes
03/24/2008, Volume 013, Issue 27

“In 1998, the Iraqi regime offered “financial and moral support” to a new group of jihadists in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq.”

Joeseph

is there a way we could find out from Stephen what transalted document this quote came from?

Also was Stephen Hayes looking at both Docex and the Harmony Database?


248 posted on 06/24/2008 10:52:48 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr
Related thread to a related Weekly Standard article:

Harboring al Qaeda ( What the new Senate Intelligence Report says about Saddam's hospitality)

249 posted on 06/24/2008 11:06:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It always amazes me how much the Democrats and some Republicans pay no attention to any postwar intelligence that supports prewar intelligence.


250 posted on 06/24/2008 11:11:22 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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