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Let Lauren Live!
ChristtheKingMaine ^ | May 7, 2008 | Judie Brown

Posted on 05/08/2008 3:14:03 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

By Judie Brown

It has been a source of ongoing sadness to read of the difficulties Lauren Richardson’s father has had over the course of the past several months. For those of you who are not familiar with her case, Lauren overdosed on heroin on August 28, 2006. She suffered oxygen deprivation and, as a result of the overdose, is now in a coma and unable to speak out for herself. At the time of the overdose, Lauren was expecting a baby. Her parents honored what they knew would have been her wish and did all they could to keep her healthy and comfortable until the child was born. Today, though Lauren may not be aware of it, she is the mother of Ember Grace, who was born in February 2007.

Since the birth of her daughter, Lauren remains unable to speak of her concerns, but she has a loving father who is doing all he can to protect her from suffering the same fate as Terri Schiavo. However, Lauren’s mother, who has been named her legal guardian, is sadly not of the same opinion and is working with attorneys to pressure the courts to permit Lauren’s starvation.

Lauren’s father has kept hope alive, even at times when there appeared to be no hope in human terms. Lauren’s father is a man of hope in Christ and is dedicated to spending every breath he has on defending Lauren, regardless of what it might cost him in physical exhaustion and worldly goods. The most recent update for those concerned about Lauren tells us the following:

We struggle at times as we seek to share with the public the details of what is happening with Lauren because of the disagreement we have with Lauren’s mother. We cannot understand her reasoning in refusing a path of hope, healing and restoration for Lauren and insisting on causing her death by withholding food and water from her. The issue in Lauren’s case is the eternal truth that all people, no matter what their medical condition, bear the image of God and deserve basic care and an opportunity to be restored to health.

Bobby Schindler, Terri Schiavo’s brother, has written about Lauren in an editorial earlier this year, "False Compassion," and is working closely with Lauren’s father in order to provide expertise that he is uniquely qualified to share during a trying time like this.

There are many links on the Life for Lauren web site that will assist you in tracking this case and learning who is supporting Lauren’s ongoing care and who is opposing it. More importantly, there is something you can do to express your concerns.


The governor of Delaware, Ruth Ann Minner, is being asked by pro-life Americans across this nation to intervene in this case in order to save Lauren from what many fear is an imminent court order dictating that Lauren be starved and dehydrated to death. I am asking you to be one of those who communicates your passionate belief that Lauren’s life is sacred and deserves to be protected from those who would order her death. The governor’s e-mail address is

Further, it would mean a great deal to Lauren’s father, Randy, if you sent him a copy of your e-mail to Governor Ruth Ann Minner. Randy’s e-mail address is

During a recent visit to Anchorage, Alaska where Bobby Schindler was invited to speak, he told a reporter from The Catholic Anchor, "Once we accept that killing is an acceptable answer to human suffering, we lose any type of parameters. Euthanasia is a form of abandonment. It is not compassion."

Truer words were never spoken. As I frequently tell people who argue that we pro-lifers are being heartless and cruel for fighting to defend the rights of a "hopeless case," "God is the author of every human being’s life, and He has never given permission to a single one of us to arbitrarily rob another human being of life for any reason including disability or illness."

As Flannery O’Connor once wrote on the subject of false compassion, "In the absence of faith, we govern by tenderness. And tenderness leads to the gas chamber."

Lauren Richardson is not terminal – she is severely disabled. Lauren Richardson should not be murdered.

Judie Brown is president of American Life League and a member of the Pontifical Academy for Life.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charliecrist; googling; johnmccain; justsayno2johnmccain; lauren; moralabsolutes; prolife; richardson; schiavo; terridailies; vp
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To: All; grundle; narses; wagglebee; BykrBayb
No matter what the PP peeps try to show us, their intent is thinly veiled and their intent passes through. Thread by grundle. The topic is serious so please do not laugh. Thanks, narses, for the ping.


PP's list of honeydews...

Consumer Reports gives Plan Parenthood condoms worst possible rating for "strength" & "reliability"


1,401 posted on 09/14/2008 5:31:01 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Liberalism, the Pitts...

The left earns our pity if little else. For they cannot even conceive of our sense of good and evil. To them, we must have a collection of ideas which we categorize in a list ok for conservatives, and perhaps that list can be modified to fit the times. That is how they would do. What they are organically incapable of understanding is that we have solid and simple grasps of good versus evil, and some things fit as good and others do not.

We accomplish little when trying to convert them to our understanding. Sometimes they will buy what is on our "conservative" list, not because of comparable motivation but because it is something that fits their own collection at the time. But they will not grasp our motivation any more than our dogs would grasp our discussions of space travel. It is out of their realm. They DON'T get it because they CAN'T get it. With that, we have an example.


According to my correspondents, those conservatives in charge weren't really conservative at all. As Roy from Sanger put it in an e-mail: "If you believe what we have had in D.C. so far this century is a conservative Washington, your perceptions are colored by a memory loss of what real conservatism looks like."

The funny thing is, I agree. Stack the traditional definition of "conservative" alongside the events of the past few years, and it's hard not to. It is, for example, difficult to find evidence of government getting out of people's way in the Terri Schiavo affair. Or evidence of lean, mean government efficiency in the Hurricane Katrina debacle. Or evidence of fiscal restraint in a projected $500 billion budget deficit. Or evidence of accountability in the eagerness to duck blame for all the above.

Conservatism, an ideology once driven by principle, has shrunk until its purview can be, and often is, delineated in three syllables: God, guns, gays. Worse, it has embraced a win-at-all-costs ethos and intellectual dishonesty that are, even by the seamy standards of modern politics, astonishing....................................

LEONARD PITTS JR.: Conservatism shrinks to God, guns, gays


1,402 posted on 09/15/2008 3:32:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
But there is some good news...

Thread by wagglebee.


The first step in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion is to know the facts. Actually, we know what works. Child Trends and the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy published their own data and the corroborating findings of a vast body of scientific research which found that the recipe for delaying sexual activity is parental involvement, good friends, strong faith and participation in church activities. The bottom line, they said, is that parents and friends have tremendous influence on their children, regardless of socio-demographic or economic background and characteristics.

Obviously, many of the nation's adolescents don't have those positive influences in their lives; researchers from the left and the right acknowledge the problems associated with single parent families, father absence, declining church attendance, and lack of community networks...........

Reducing Teen Pregnancies and Abortions


1,403 posted on 09/15/2008 3:40:18 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; narses; wagglebee; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; Dante3; TheSarce
This ought to be interesting! Scientology, with its wisdom and its people, has bumped up against Terri plenty. I hearken back to my first post of this day just upthread about a gaggle of folks who don't "get it." Thanks, narses, for the ping.


Continuing the Saturday series on minority religions, a glimpse of Scientology:

Spanning 129 countries and about 500,000 members, Scientologists rank 22nd among world religions. It may be difficult for a full count, as it is more applied philosophy than religion, and thus allows members to belong to other faiths and still fully practice Scientology. Half of Scientologists also report being Christians...........

Scientology compatible with other religions


1,404 posted on 09/15/2008 3:52:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Janet Rivera update...

Actually it is a recap of what we know but refreshing that the story propagates.


A Sanger, California, heart-attack victim who was euthanized has won a verdict for life.


Family members had turned over the case of Janet Rivera to a public guardian who, after consulting with doctors, decided to remove her from a respirator and a feeding tube. According to, Rivera was "denied food and water for 11 consecutive days in the same manner as Terri Schiavo."
IV stand and bagJosh Brahm, education director of Right to Life of Central California (RLCC), notes the family united to fight the decision. "This is actually a landmark case," Brahm explains. "This is the first time you've had a case where a united family who all wanted, in this case Janet, to live was turned down by the county who said, 'No, we're going to let her die.'"
Doctors did, indeed, remove the respirator and feeding tube, and the result was astounding.
"She should have died within two days; however, she didn't. She started getting better; she started breathing on her own," Brahm recounts. "This was completely unexpected, and all the different ailments that she was in [were] starting to improve. And the doctors were amazed, but the doctors did not give her back her feeding tube."
The family won a court battle to have both her respirator and feeding tube restored. Rivera's husband hopes she recovers eventually and is seeking rehabilitative care to help.

Euthanasia victim survives, fights back


1,405 posted on 09/16/2008 5:44:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; BykrBayb; wagglebee; floriduh voter
"Hi, look at me! I am a stupid liberal and not ashamed of it..."

I excerpt what this leftie says. Just use the PP promoted devices like honeydew and watch what happens. Like magic, all will be well (or not, see related posts just upthread...)


Lipstick. Pig. Palin. Pathetic. OK, now that I have your attention, can we talk about something important?


It's not the business of outsiders -- any more than the difficult issues surrounding the case of Terri Schiavo were the business of Congress. But many Americans also believe that abortion is a morally troubling issue and would agree with Bill Clinton's formulation from his 1992 campaign: Abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." So why don't we all unite behind a broad public campaign to urge the use of contraceptives?

Campaign for contraception will reduce abortion rate


1,406 posted on 09/16/2008 5:55:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
The Puffington Host actually slips and leaves a slight nugget of truth in a barnload of muckables by reminding us of the Texas Futile Caregivers.


Let's recall some of the actions taken by Governor and then President George W. Bush, who partly owed his re-election to the bishops' ardent--if sometimes indirect--support for his "pro-life" agenda. In March 2003, he launched a wholly unnecessary war (firmly opposed by Pope John Paul II) that has taken the lives of more than 4500 American soldiers, maimed or mentally traumatized at least 30,000 more, and killed almost 90,000 Iraqi civilians. In March 2005, just about the time that he flew into Washington to sign the bill that called for re-inserting a feeding tube into the abdomen of Terry Schiavo, a six month old boy named Sam Hudson died after a Texas hospital removed his feeding tube because his mother could not afford to pay for it. The Texas Futile Care Law, which gives health care providers the right to overrule indigent family members in deciding when to end a life, was signed by Governor George Bush..................



1,407 posted on 09/16/2008 6:01:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Sometimes a great notion evolves in this example of self-loathing so evident in lefties. Thread by wagglebee.


LONDON, September 15, 2008 ( - The great grandson of 19th century naturalist Charles Darwin, told media that he was "bemused" at an apology offered by a prominent Anglican cleric to his long-dead ancestor. Andrew Darwin, called "pointless" an article written by a prominent Anglican cleric that apologised for the 19th century Church's response to the publication of the Origin of Species, the book that began the debate over evolution.

"Why bother?" Darwin said, "When an apology is made after 200 years, it's not so much to right a wrong, but to make the person or organisation making the apology feel better.".........

Anglican Apology "Pointless" says Darwin Descendant


1,408 posted on 09/16/2008 6:09:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Lest we forget innocent Eluana Englaro of Italy who languishes on death row alive only because doctors refuse the execution order asked by her father and ordered by the courts...

Thread by wagglebee.


Lourdes, France ( -- Pope Benedict XVI reminded Catholics to oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide in a Mass he conducted in France on Monday. He urged people to accept death "at the hour chosen by God," rather than succumb to the pressure or temptation of taking one's own life or that of another.

The message is important in Europe, where the Netherlands and Belgium have legalized euthanasia and Switzerland is tolerant of suicide clinics.......

Pope Benedict XVI Urges Catholics to Oppose Euthanasia, Assisted Suicide


1,409 posted on 09/16/2008 6:26:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Well, Mr. hair plugs, well, Nancy Legosi, well, Teddy bare, what would you say now?

Thread by wagglebee on word from Fr. Pavone...


Washington, DC ( -- A new liturgical guide written and distributed by the head of Priests for Life aims to help priests preach the pro-life perspective on abortion. Fr. Frank Pavone, the head of the Catholic group, says the guide is the culmination of a three-year project to assist pastors. “For the past three years, I have written homily hints on how to take the readings assigned to each Sunday and preach on abortion,” Father Pavone told

“The lectionary has a three-year Sunday cycle, and today we completed the reflections for each Sunday of each of the three years. Now, these homily hints can be used as each cycle continues to repeat through the years," he explained.

Pavone tells that many priests do not preach on abortion because they are not sure how to go from the Sunday readings into that topic....

New Liturgical Guide Helps Priests Preach Pro-Life Perspective on Abortion


1,410 posted on 09/16/2008 6:32:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; tcg; floriduh voter; wagglebee
While on similar topics, we have this thread from tcg. Thanks, FV for the ping. I guess Barat Obama doesn't go along with this stuff.


In 1987, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Holy See issued its important teaching entitled “Instruction on Respect for Human Life in its Origin and on the Dignity of Procreation”. Among the many questions it answered was: “What Respect is due to the human embryo, taking into account his nature and identity?” The answer:“The human being must be respected - as a person - from the very first instant of his (her) existence.”...............

Editorial: Who Will Speak for Human Embryonic Life?


1,411 posted on 09/16/2008 6:41:57 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
The story of Jason Crigler...

Thanks, Leslie, for the tip.


This is one of the good news stories that should be posted and distributed widely. When people are diagnosis as being in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) they do not expect that a person will recover in the way Jason Crigler has.

There is a very high rate of falsely diagnosis for (PVS) and if you look further into the condition you would have to conclude that Crigler was never in a PVS condition, but was rather cognitively impaired by the massive stroke.

The story states:

While playing a gig in a New York City club in 2004, Crigler - a strong, healthy man in his early 30s - fell to his knees. He went outside to get some air and crumpled to the ground. His wife, Monica, three months pregnant with their first child, was by his side. By the time an ambulance whisked him away, he was completely paralyzed.

Crigler had suffered a massive stroke, the result of an arterio-venous malformation, known more commonly as a bleed in the brain. Doctors predicted either death or a permanent vegetative state.

After six months of slow improvement at Boston’s Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital, doctors told the one-time ace guitarist he would always need round-the-clock institutional care. Nursing homes were contacted.

The story can only be understood within the context of the love of a family. Instead of living in a nursing home his family brought him home.

Crigler stated:

“My family’s love and support made all the difference,”

“It’s amazing how many fortuitous things happened. Certain doctors arrived at the right time. Playing guitar again was a big part of it. My work ethic, my strong will and my family’s support made the difference.”

“Ellie (his daughter) played a huge role in my recovery, and she doesn’t even know it,” said Crigler, who still can’t remember the 18 months after his injury. “In my darkest, deepest depressions, Ellie would walk into the room, and the darkness would vanish.”

The love and support of his family gave Crigler a new lease on life. The article states:

Before his stroke, Crigler was one of the top guitarists in the New York City singer/songwriter scene. He and his wife were members of the band Goats in Trees, and he played alongside Linda Thompson, Marshall Crenshaw, and Norah Jones. When Jones headlined a benefit show in 2005 to help offset Crigler’s medical bills, it pulled in $50,000.

Crigler’s parents set up a recording studio at his home. With their help, Crigler restarted the album project that had been half-finished at the time of his stroke. “The Music of Jason Crigler” features 13 diverse, expressive, self-written songs, with guest vocals by Crenshaw, Kenny White, Teddy Thompson and Eric McKeown.

“The album was a 9-year labor of love,” Crigler said.

He looked up, and, by chance, saw his mother and father-in-law across the street with his daughter, Ellie. He walked over and hugged her, smiling. This was one of the last facial expressions to come back to his once-immobile face.

Link to the article in the Boston Herald:

Four years after a massive stroke, Jason Crigler is back making music


1,412 posted on 09/17/2008 4:56:02 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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In Iowa...


ABERDEEN, S.D. (AP) - The South Dakota Right to Life state convention features a doctor who used to perform abortions and the brother of Terri Schiavo (SHY'-voh) as the main speakers.

Schiavo died in 2005 at the age of 41 after a nationwide debate over her care. She was diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state after her heart stopped in 1990. Her husband wanted her feeding tube removed against the wishes of her parents.

Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler, now runs a center for health care ethics.

Also set to speak is Dr. Anthony Levatino of New Mexico, who plans to tell how he ended his practice of performing abortions.

The convention is scheduled for Oct. 11 in Aberdeen.

Right to Life state convention set


1,413 posted on 09/17/2008 5:05:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Baroque Obumma, awww poor guy...

Written by a guy named Remington, I would expect something a bit less metro as he plays a joker wild as a race card...


Since John McCain picked Sarah Palin, I feel as if I’m living a real life version of the movie Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner? You know, the Civil Rights era movie starring Sidney Poitier, Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy? The entire movie is about the dilemma that a young, relatively inexperienced White woman presents to her family when she brings a Black man home.

The Black man is portrayed by Sidney Poitier, and he holds about 50 million academic degrees and is world renowned in the field of medicine. The young woman was only known for being pretty and White. The Poitier character, even after his many accomplishments, is suspect simply because he’s Black, which means he still might not be good enough to get a whiff.


But I can’t forget that the Republican Party involves itself in the private sex lives of individuals, the private reproductive rights of individuals, even the private critical family choices about the termination of life after illness, as was the case with Terry Schiavo. All of a sudden we shouldn’t pay attention to the choice of Palin’s teenage daughter to have a baby by a self-confessed teenaged redneck.

But again, if Obama’s hypothetical teenage daughter was a hood rat who decided to have a shorty with a neighborhood O.G., America would’ve collectively hollered, “Thanks for playing. Do not pass go. Do not proceed to the White House.”

So, as we proceed down the in-your-face, dumbed-down, anti-intellectual celebratory yellow brick road of ignorance that is contemporary American society, we must work hard for the change that we need. McCain and Palin have been very clever in switching this election from “What do you want?” to “Who do you want?” And if the question truly becomes “Guess who’s coming to dinner?” the racial double standard that is woven into the tapestry of this country may once again prove to be the ultimate decider.

Guess who’s coming to dinner: Obama forced to play rigged game with Palin


1,414 posted on 09/17/2008 5:26:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The Democratics, deconstructing over us Christianists, are once more in danger of dampening their fresh knickers as they fret uncontrollably at the growing prospect of oblivion. Sounds like they are on the wrong end of an exorcism.


To understand how Team McCain intends to get away with stealing this election, we must recall how Team Bush got away with it four years ago. (Those aren't two different teams.)

The plan for stealing this contest has everything to do with the ostensibly surprising choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's VP.


Those numbers tell a very different story from the one hyped proudly by the men atop the Christianist machine. In particular, they said that they helped Bush prevail through their well-managed opposition to gay marriage--which Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, called "the hood ornament on the family values wagon that carried the president to a second term." That there was evidently no such wagon did not blunt the impact of such theocratic propaganda, which quickly resonated all throughout "the liberal media," so that it now stands as the truth.

Indeed, it was accepted as the truth so quickly that it went unquestioned even after the dramatic mass reaction to the Terri Schiavo case a few months later, when Bush and the Republicans in Congress intervened in that domestic tragedy, trying to force the very outcome that the Christianists were calling for: "Americans broadly and strongly disapprove of federal intervention in the Terri Schiavo case," ABC News reported. The public supported the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube by 63% to 28%, according to the network's polls.............

Mark Crispin Miller: Why They Chose Sarah Palin ...And What to do About it...


1,415 posted on 09/17/2008 5:37:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Terri's Legacy is right in the thick of things as the contenders from the Obamunists battle to conquer our country. This notice of their motive comes from Ramesh Ponnuru of NRO.


Finally, there's a section called "Freddoso Thinks He's an Expert on Everything." Here we learn, for example, that "Freddoso Accused Michael Schiavo And The ACLU Of Trying To Starve Terri Schiavo." Well, that's what they were trying to do, and what they did. You might prefer another characterization of the events, but his is accurate. If the Obama campaign wants to stay in the speech-suppression business, it ought to find some better thugs.

The Case Against David Freddoso


1,416 posted on 09/17/2008 5:44:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Here we learn, for example, that "Freddoso Accused Michael Schiavo And The ACLU Of Trying To Starve Terri Schiavo."

There is a vast difference between an accusation and a statement of FACTS.

1,417 posted on 09/17/2008 5:48:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; Minn; TheSarce
Donning a fresh pair of knickers and in grave danger of soiling them too, this leftie prays Obamunism will conquer America Justin time. Thread by Minn with thanks to TheSarce for the ping.


It doesn't matter who wins! Seriously, guys, America is about to become, once again, the coolest place on Earth.

An era is ending. If you still think the US is home to all that is fatty and unwholesome and militaristic and cloth-eared and generally low-grade, and not much else, it may be time to give the Yanks another chance. Nothing Sarah Palin and her followers can do will prevent America's steady movement away from social conservatism.


Flabbergasted ping -- from the original article:
America's political recrudescence did not begin in 2008...

To be precise; at one o'clock in the morning of March 21, 2005, President Bush put pen to paper and (inadvertently) consigned the politics of the Eighties to the trash.

He had been woken by his staff to sign emergency legislation designed to save the life of Terri Schiavo...

28 posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:11:12 AM by TheSarce

1,418 posted on 09/17/2008 5:51:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee

For the Obamunists, accusation is a valid substitute for facts or truth.

1,419 posted on 09/17/2008 5:54:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; PhilDragoo
Check out the new work by PhilDragoo!

1,420 posted on 09/17/2008 5:57:30 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; PhilDragoo

That is awesome Phil!

1,421 posted on 09/17/2008 5:58:28 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; wagglebee
Yeah, sure...

Thread by wagglebee.


September 16, 2008 ( - Last week the L.A. Times ran a story: "Canadian doctor warns Sarah Palin's decision to have Down baby could reduce abortions." The story, based upon a Globe and Mail report, explained that Dr. Andre Lalonde, the executive vice-president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, is worried that Sarah Palin's decision to give birth to her Down syndrome son, Trig, could lead fewer women to choose abortion for their Down babies.

However, the L.A. Times now says that its story was all wrong and it has apologized for "mischaracterizing" Lalonde's remarks. The Times says that it should not have said that Dr. Lalonde was worried that Palin's example could reduce the Down abortion rate. Instead, it should have emphasized that Lalonde was worried that her example might "pressure" some women who "lack the resources" not to abort their Down children - even though the paper clearly explained this in the original story.........

The L.A. Times' Pointless Correction on Abortion and Down Syndrome


1,422 posted on 09/17/2008 6:00:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

I guess if you can support the idea that a living, breathing healthy baby would be better off dead, then there really isn’t any evil deed you wouldn’t support.

1,423 posted on 09/17/2008 6:01:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; wagglebee
Fire is no surprise. The kid killers were born in a lake of fire and it is their schtick. Debbie Tracy better learn fast about the critters out to stop her. Thread by wagglebee.


Lebanon, OR ( -- After what appears to be an attack from an abortion advocate, a pregnancy center in Oregon will rebuild. Police confirmed on Friday that the Pregnancy Alternatives Center in Lebanon was a victim of an arson fire in an incident that follows leading abortion advocates attacking pregnancy centers..........

Oregon Pregnancy Center Helping Women Avoid Abortion to Rebuild After Arson


1,424 posted on 09/17/2008 6:13:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Justice Scalia...

Thread by wagglebee.


Washington, DC ( -- Justice Antonin Scalia is one of the most outspoken jurists on the Supreme Court when it comes to talking about abortion. Scalia repeated the mantra on Monday that he's presented to college students and community forums about how the high court doesn't have the power to declare a right to abortion.

During a speech at Utah State University's Taggart Student Center, where 1,700 people came to hear the respected judge tell it like it is, Scalia criticized those jurists who engage in what he called "abstract moralizing."......

Supreme Court Justice Scalia: Nothing Qualifies Judge to Create Abortion Right


1,425 posted on 09/17/2008 6:17:39 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Oh Canada! The government up north sometime bothers me, not because they have a different share of death loving yo yo's than we have. It is that certain liberal concepts are actualized in their system, one being that a perp is really a victim we should pity and offer rehab. This bastrich is a flipping murderer serving a life sentence as the libs collectively wring their hands fretting over how to make his life more cozy. I bet they would even balk at his receiving a stern letter of reprimand for his murder.

This story comes from the blog of Alex Shadenberg with thanks to Leslie for the tip.


It appears that Robert Latimer may be transfering from Ottawa to Victoria BC to fulfill the requirements of his parole.

An article in the Globe and Mail indicates that Latimer was granted a request to change the location where he serves his parole.

The article also indicates that Latimer wants to continue training as an electrician. Latimer received training as an electrician while in jail.

Robert Latimer was convicted of second-degree murder for killing his 12 year old daughter Tracy who had cerebral palsy.

Link to the article in the Globe and Mail:

Robert Latimer may be moving to Victoria BC


1,426 posted on 09/18/2008 3:12:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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'Round here, we know the Terri Legacy will be tied inevitably to the election and especially Sarah Palin as it is the albatross around the collective neck of the liberals and democratics. But it may backfire just a little. Case in point:


BLACKMAN TOWNSHIP — I am responding to Froma Harrop's column Sept. 7, "The Palin pick." Ms. Harrop describes Gov. Palin as parading around a dysfunctional family. She also says Gov. Palin's family is out of control. How outrageous!

Since when does a 17-year-old becoming pregnant label a family dysfunctional or out of control? Where did Ms. Harrop grow up? Perfectville?

She says Gov. Palin has no foreign-policy experience. Excuse me, but Mr. Obama doesn't have any, either, and he is the one running for president of the United States. She goes on to call Gov. Palin's daughter's fiance a "stud." What kind of language is that?

Then she goes on to talk about the Terri Schiavo incident. How insensitive is that to the parents and siblings of Terri? What does that have to do with this election?

This column clearly shows that Ms. Harrop is an angry woman. She vented her rage about so many things that my head was spinning. This wasn't journalism; it was trash and very hateful. I am really disappointed that the Citizen Patriot would print such garbage.

A person doesn't have to be labeled a "conservative Christian" to have a heart, but I certainly am questioning if Ms. Harrop has one!

— Carol Rose

Column about Palin was vindictive, spiteful


1,427 posted on 09/18/2008 3:18:16 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Getting it wrong consistently...

Not to pull sympathy away from this poor anorexia victim, but we notice the libs just have to bring in Terri. In this case they ressurect the disproven mantra that Terri was an anorexic, and perhaps, just like this poor lady.

Grrrr... Terri did not die from an eating disorder! She was killed! The bulemia story was but a feeble disproved excuse.

This poor lady died a horrible and misunderstood death, but why bring Terri into it? The libs can't help it.


Heather died the night of March 9, 2003. The direct cause was cardiac arrhythmia, a result of lethally low electrolyte levels. A similar case was that of Terry Schiavo, whose husband contended she battled with bulimia and suffered brain damage due to dangerously low potassium levels.......

Eating disorders kill. Just ask Featherweight Inc.’s Debbie Begeny.


1,428 posted on 09/18/2008 3:27:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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I will be kind and just call Justin Webb dopy, wonder if he is an echo of another namesake. Here he charms the brits with his brilliant castigation of Sarah Palin and ends with the obituary of us pro-lifers in America. But, it gets a reaction...


Americans are generally too kindly to take to all this Old Testament stuff in really large numbers and the creationist museum in Kentucky is - literally and metaphorically - isolated. The social conservaties perished (well, all right, lost this battle) with Terri Schiavo.



1. At 09:44am on 18 Sep 2008, R-Snail wrote:

I do find it interesting that those who advocate the "right to choose" most loudly are those who have already had the priviledge of being born.

I assume that Terri Schiavo could be considered a fourth trimester abortion in a sense... she couldn't voice her opinion so someone else was appointed by a judge to choose for her.

That judge had life and death powers, which is why I want somebody who is not an elitest as President, who will appoint judges that if they err... err on the side of the poor creature whose voice is not the loudest.

Too kind to burn witches


1,429 posted on 09/18/2008 3:36:01 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Just say no to the Puffington Host. Sometimes I imagine the worshippers of the left as green with envy over the pick of Sarah Palin, and that goes for the usual Gang Green as well.

Fascinatingly, though they once again link Sarah to Terri.


Can a patient say NO? Can a patient say NO to care, even if that care that might save his or her life? Why would someone choose death? Some providers conclude that such a person is depressed or crazy. If the former, give Zoloft. If the latter, then the person is incompetent and decision-making authority can be taken away. A Dartmouth Center Study reports that many elderly patients may not want "everything possible" done for/to them. When they try to place limits on their care, they meet great resistance from the medical providers.

Terri Schiavo or Nataline Sarkisyan both made national headlines while in vegetative states. They were unable to say NO to a feeding tube or a liver transplant respectively. Their families spoke for them and emphatically said yes! Suppose the girls had left living wills stating that they did not want to be sustained on life support. There are numerous cases showing where the State sided with families against the expressed wishes of the patient.

There are medical circumstances where the patient cannot "just say NO."...........

"Just say NO"...but can you?


1,430 posted on 09/18/2008 3:42:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Actually, it was unfair of me to accuse the Puffington Host of linking Sarah to Terri, as it was separated in the above article. They don't see it that way, do they? Nawww. It was a natural mistake for me since the article was surrounded by pans of Sarah.


1,431 posted on 09/18/2008 3:46:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
"It's the economy life, stupid!"

Intriguing concept in a thread by wagglebee...


September 17, 2008 ( - In a Radio Vatican interview yesterday, Father Richard John Neuhaus, editor-in-chief of First Things, a US based faith and culture magazine, stated that despite the rickety economy, Americans consider the "culture of life issues" to "cut the deepest" when it comes to voting considerations.

A former Lutheran minister turned Catholic priest, Father Neuhaus, 72, has been referenced congenially by President George Bush, who explained that Father Richard "helps me to articulate these [religious] things"...........

"Not Even the Economy Trumps Culture of Life Issues in This Election": Fr. Richard Neuhaus


1,432 posted on 09/18/2008 3:51:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Fie upon the Librarians!

Thread by wagglebee.


Washington, DC ( -- A writer for a libertarian group has written perhaps the most scathing attack on pro-life vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin since the Alaska governor was announced weeks ago as John McCain's running mate. Nicholas Provenzo condemns Palin for the birth of her baby Trig, who has Down syndrome.

Provenzo, who writes for the Center for the Advancement of Capitalism, not only bashes her for allowing Trig to be born, but says she should have made the so-called morally justifiable decision to kill him in an abortion.

The Center for the Advancement of Capitalism bills itself as a group "dedicated to advancing individual rights and economic freedom through Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism."

"Like many, I am troubled by the implications of Alaska governor and Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's decision to knowingly give birth to a child disabled with Down syndrome," Provenzo writes.

"Given that Palin's decision is being celebrated in some quarters, it is crucial to reaffirm the morality of aborting a fetus diagnosed with Down syndrome (or by extension, any unborn fetus)—a freedom that anti-abortion advocates seek to deny," he adds.

Provenzo advocates not only a discriminatory, but apparently a pro-eugenics view of the disabled that rivals that of Nazi Germany............ .......................

Libertarian Group Condemns Sarah Palin for Not Killing Disabled Baby in Abortion


1,433 posted on 09/18/2008 3:57:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Death to Life! The Democratics cannot help it, just gotta push their core beliefs.

Thread by wagglebee.


Washington, DC ( -- The Democratic Party platform promotes unlimited abortions paid for at taxpayer expense and Barack Obama's convention featured speeches from leading abortion advocates.

Providing further evidence the party is linked to the abortion industry, leading Democratic strategists are telling large donors to give money to Planned Parenthood to bash John McCain..............

Democratic Strategists Urge Donations to Planned Parenthood to Attack McCain


1,434 posted on 09/18/2008 4:01:30 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Catholic, huh! I can call myself a North Korean, but that does not make me so. Nobody would mistake me for kin of Kim or Kmeic even.

Jill Stanek would remind us of the true horror of background in that situation and in the interviews Obama attempted to block in Chicago, the horrors would be portrayed along with the singular stand in support of the killings by Broke Obuma.

Thread by wagglebee.


Washington, DC ( -- Catholic attorney Douglas Kmiec, who claims to be pro-life, is continuing his defense of presidential candidate Barack Obama's pro-abortion position. In a new piece, Kmiec says he would have voted for a bill to protect newborns who survive botched abortions, but he can understand why Obama didn't.

The debate comes on the heels of a new television ad running in battleground states that features a woman who survived a late-term abortion criticizing Obama for opposing the bill for medical care for infants who survive like her.

In the article, Kmiec says he would have voted for the Illinois bill to protect born-alive infants had he been in the legislature, but he does not fault Obama for voting against it...

Douglas Kmiec Defends Barack Obama's Vote Against Abortion-Infanticide Bill


1,435 posted on 09/18/2008 4:12:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Karen Weber, R.I.P.

Karen Weber died of natural causes.


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- A woman on a feeding tube at the center of a legal dispute similar to the fight over Terri Schiavo has died.

Her family's case is now moot.
Fifty-seven year old Karen Weber had been hospitalized in Okeechobee since having a stroke in December. She was on a feeding tube and suffered from meningitis.
An attorney for Weber's mother says Weber died Wednesday night.
Weber's husband sought earlier this year to have the feeding tube removed. He said she would not want to live this way. But Weber's mother was fighting to keep her alive.
The arguments in Weber's case were similar to those made over Schiavo, whose husband wanted her feeding tube removed against the wishes of her parents.

He eventually prevailed and Schiavo died in 2005.

Woman on feeding tube dies, case moot


1,436 posted on 09/19/2008 3:13:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Karen’s case IS NOT “moot.”

Karen was allowed to LIVE her life to the end as God, not the culture of death, intended.

Godspeed Karen

1,437 posted on 09/19/2008 3:53:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Great minds and all that... But you beat me to the draw. I was just starting a key in on that topic! Several news reports repeated that "moot" thingy as if it ended as a draw, but it didn't! Karen and the good guys won! Death dealers lost. She went under God's terms, not at the hands of the drooling executioners. Liberals may not comprehend this, but it is all we seek!
1,438 posted on 09/19/2008 4:12:09 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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I’m so sorry to read this. Karen was very fortunate to have
such a tiger for a Mom and articulate sister fighting for
her every step of the way!!

Others in similar situations can learn much from the
tenacity and grace this family showed, when face to face
with the forces of death, so prevalent in America.

My our Lord hold them close as they mourn Karen’s passing!!

1,439 posted on 09/19/2008 8:21:45 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: 8mmMauser

Thanks, as always, for the info.

1,440 posted on 09/19/2008 9:22:25 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Twink; Lesforlife

Her passing was sad, but we may be heartened as wagglebee and I noted, that it was on God’s terms, and not under the clutches of the death squads.

Deo gratias.

1,441 posted on 09/20/2008 3:55:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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This is a bit lengthy, but worth the read.


Today Hot Air reveals that top British moral philosopher, Baroness Warnock, thinks that the government should license senile people to be "put down" so they can stop being a drain on society.


The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are “wasting people’s lives” because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.


She insisted there was “nothing wrong” with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.


The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be “licensed to put others down” if they are unable to look after themselves. …


Lady Warnock said: “If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives – and you’re wasting the resources of the National Health Service.


“I’m absolutely, fully in agreement with the argument that if pain is insufferable, then someone should be given help to die, but I feel there’s a wider argument that if somebody absolutely, desperately wants to die because they’re a burden to their family, or the state, then I think they too should be allowed to die.


“Actually I’ve just written an article called ‘A Duty to Die?’ for a Norwegian periodical. I wrote it really suggesting that there’s nothing wrong with feeling you ought to do so for the sake of others as well as yourself.”

Sure, let's go back to the days of Nazi Germany when the handicapped, disabled, senile and all those over the age of at least 70 can be disposed of.  After all, these segments of society are not actually contributing any benefits, are they? 


Why not push this "right to die" belief and extend it to those who are unable to make the decisions for themselves, especially if they lack the cognitive ability.  This right to die belief could then be called "must die" and could be implemented for all senile patients.  After all, those people with Alzheimer's should be willing to sacrifice their life and not be such a burden on their families, whether they are sane enough to realize how worthless they are or not.


Neil Hunt, who is the chief executive of the Alzheimer's Society in Britain, stated:  "I am shocked and amazed that Baroness Warnock could disregard the value of the lives of people with dementia so callously." 


Sadly enough, these statements are not shocking at all to me in this day and time.  The belief in the sanctity of human life has gradually been chipped away in the U.S.  The beginning of the end of our belief in this sanctity started with Roe v. Wade in 1973 which has resulted in millions of babies being murdered over the last thirty-five years.  Additionally, euthanasia is now regarded as perfectly acceptable and in fact favored - people should have the "right to die."  As a nation we stood by and watched while Terri Schiavo was starved to death because her husband, who already had a family by another woman, conveniently said Terri would have wanted it that way.  


I am reminded of an article I read just this week by Dr. Allan Carlson.  The article is entitled "Death Wish II:  Euthanasia, the Second Time Around" and talks about the similarities of the "mercy killing" movement in the U.S. (and other countries) and the Germany of 1920. 


The same impulse emerged in Germany as well.  In 1920, the prominent jurist Karl Binding and the distinguished psychiatrist Alfred Hoch published a book entitled (in translation) The Release of Life Devoid of Value.  The volume described those "absolutely worthless human beings" held in psychiatric institutions and asylums for the retarded who had "neither the will to live or die" and "whose death is urgently necessary."  The book labeled these poor souls a vast army of "ballast existences," outlined how a euthanasia program could be organized, and emphasized the financial economies to be gained.


These views, I hasten to add, were not those of cranks or cruel thugs.  These judges, doctors, and scientists were leaders in their fields, progressives, self-styled "modernists," who sought to apply the successful techniques of industry and the values of efficiency and cost-accounting to questions of healing, life, and death.  They rejected the old, "discredited" Christian principle of "the sanctity of human life" in favor of a rational measure of utility, and a readiness to relieve suffering at any cost.

You may read Carlson's entire article here.   


Do you notice any similarities in the statements of Baroness Warnock and those of Binding and Hock?  Their beliefs are eerily similar; they all believe "worthless human beings" or "senile people" should be dealt with, stating these people's deaths are "urgently necessary" and they should be "helped to die."


In any society, the value of all human life is degraded when killing some members of that society is seen a positive thing and is called necessary for the good of the public.  If the "right to die" does exist in the U.S., and it certainly does, how far away are we from the "license to kill" policy which Baroness Warnock speaks of above?


Put the Senile Out of Their Misery


1,442 posted on 09/20/2008 4:10:52 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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They are looking beyond the truth. Is that so specific, or just a trait of Democratics in general?


Other races where Democrats think the strategy could be employed include the New Jersey Senate contest between two Jewish candidates, Democratic Senator Frank Lautenberg and GOP Representative Dick Zimmer, and Minnesota, where Republican Senator Norm Coleman faces a challenge from Democrat and fellow Jew Al Franken.

“Israel is just the beginning of Jewish values. It’s not the end,” Seals told the Forward.

Seals and Kirk both back a two-state solution for Middle East peace, Israel’s right to defend itself and the Israel security fence. But Seals paints Kirk as out of touch with his district, because of his support of the Iraq War. He also cites Kirk’s votes to use federal funding in the construction of a 29-foot-tall cross on Mount Soledad near San Diego, and his support for legislation to allow a federal judge to review the case of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed in 2005, as an example where the incumbent is out of touch with Jewish voters.

“Folks just think that was overstepping the bounds of government,” Seals said of Kirk’s support for the Schiavo bill.....................

Dems Ask Jewish Voters To Look Beyond Israel


1,443 posted on 09/20/2008 4:15:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Stirring things up a bit is this thread by wagglebee. I tend to see it in simplistic terms. Put two badly damaged patients side by side, identical chances of survival, but borderline fitting the definition of "brain dead." One has usable spare parts and the other doesn't. Guess who gets the nod, and who gets the thumbs down on continuing life.


We are bombarded with propaganda that encourages organ donation. For an organ to be suitable for transplantation it must be taken from a living person.........

The Demise of "Brain Death"


1,444 posted on 09/20/2008 4:23:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

The Baroness is 84, what use is she to society any more, honestly? Just think of the resources that could be re-allocated were we to be rid of Her Uselessness.

I wonder what her response would be to that question.

1,445 posted on 09/20/2008 4:34:52 AM PDT by kenth (Will Rogers never met Barack Obama.)
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Well, she is a leftist. That explains a whole lot. To them, rules they seek for others never apply to themselves. I do note frequently enough, the rules they would imply on others are diametric opposite of what they would have for themselves.

It would be something, though if she would volunteer to set an example.

1,446 posted on 09/20/2008 4:51:04 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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When you are assigning a monetary value to a human life as a measure of whether that person should be allowed to live or not, where do the “homeless” come in? Although the left loves to wax on about how much they “care” about the homeless, it seems to me that a strong argument can be made that those people are a drain on our resources.

This looks like a situation where two leftist “ideals” could be butting heads. I guess that’s a consequence of not living by any rational values.

1,447 posted on 09/20/2008 6:35:25 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: 8mmMauser

What a terrible place a country would be if Warnock had her way.

1,448 posted on 09/20/2008 8:37:47 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: exDemMom

It is so intrinsic to leftist thinking, a special term applies to them, cognitive dissonance. They have that ability to believe fervantly in two opposing and even mutually exclusive arguments. Yet with these two sitting side by side in their little brains some mysterious wall keeps them from gobbling each other up.

These days, it is defined as a tension or anxiety due to holding these beliefs, but I think it is their own modification of the term so it sounds better. From what I have seen they can hold some of the most outrageous beliefs this way and never feel a twinge of discomfort. You hit upon a good example.

Another is to promote the killing of baby humans while weeping over trying to save baby seals.

1,449 posted on 09/21/2008 3:21:51 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Wow from down under! Once again, the highly touted stem cells from little unborn babies are nowhere to be found. But then the goals are opposite. Adult Stem cell use may save lives and heal while embryonic stem cell research is primarily only to kill unborn babies.


ADELAIDE, Australia, September 19, 2008 ( - Researchers within the University of Adelaide's new Centre for Stem Cell Research are aiming by the end of this year to show repair in stroke-damaged brains using stem cells taken from adult teeth.

The world-leading research using dental pulp stem cells from extracted human teeth and stroke-affected rat brain tissue will be outlined as part of the launch of the Centre for Stem Cell Research.

The focus of the new Centre will be on turning novel basic research into potential life-saving treatments and cures for serious conditions and diseases.

Adult Stem Cells from Teeth Could Heal Stroke Damaged Brains


1,450 posted on 09/21/2008 3:36:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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