Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.
Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.
The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
The McMartin case in LA mentioned by the other Freeper was one of the biggest and most famous. But you are correct that there was a similar very big daycare witchhunt case in either Oregon or Washington. There was also a very big one prosecuted by Janet Reno in Miami, and one in Boston as well.
I was living in Boston at the time some years later when it became clear that the whole story of magically disappearing rooms was entirely fabricated and planted by CPS workers. Amazingly, although they released the 2 women from jail, they refused to release the son of the daycare owner, even though it was admitted by the government that the entire case had been bogus from the get-go.
These are sad cases where CPS does go above and beyond. I am not trying to be an apologist for CPS because they are pretty militant here in Texas.
But, you have to look at the big picture here. This is a religious cult whose members are well known for (and up until now pretty blunt about it) their polygamous lifestyle, but more importantly their indocrination and abuse of girls to have children. There are a lot of 18-year old in this group who have 5 natural children. How is that possible if they aren’t being raped?
Tell me again where the guys are from the ranch that went into hiding to avoid charges when the DNA tests come back?
They have been in Texas for years.
Name them
And you obviously believe pretty much what Obama and Hillary belive about DUE PROCESS and the US Constitution!
By your standard, even 911 operators should doubt and try to sort out people dying. Come on people! They acted on what they thought was a true emergency. I don’t doubt their veracity in believing something horrible was going on.
It's to deal with such a case individually. It certainy is not to take a massive number of kids from their parents and throw them suddenly into foster care.
Big Brother wants your kids, and you had etter not ge in the way.
It's to deal with such a case individually. It certainy is not to take a massive number of kids from their parents and throw them suddenly into foster care.
Big Brother wants your kids, and you had better not ge in the way.
It's to deal with such a case individually. It certainy is not to take a massive number of kids from their parents and throw them suddenly into foster care.
Big Brother wants your kids, and you had better not get in the way.
They can adopt, some have previously been married and had children during the marriage, and they can produce children via willing females either naturally or artificially. But of course, if the FLDS-was-wronged crowd had their way, there would be no way to find out how they got the children or whether they were genetically related to them, since CPS wouldn’t be allowed to take the children and DNA test them, and require the fathers to be DNA tested or provide other proof of legal custody.
Do you begin to see the problem? If we say the FLDS has the right to prevent any effective investigation of their children until AFTER clear evidence of abuse has been obtained, then the same goes for NAMBLA and radical Muslim groups and every other group that wants to abuse children, and we’d never be able to rescue any children from abuse by adults who choose to keep them away from any unsupervised contact with the outside world.
If you dont know the difference between ones own kids and someone elses kids, I am not sure I can do anything to help you out here.
Here! Here! My thoughts exactly! Anonymous tips like this one was should be outlawed! Whatever happened to "facing your accuser"? Some on FR seem to overlook the following....
Amendment FourThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment Six
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
This ruling isn’t about what they found, but how they found it. You can’t go into a person’s home and take away their children because it looks like the mother might have been forced into having sex, and becoming pregnant. They had a warrant for a specific person, he was not there, nor was the alleged victim. Nothing else was visibly observed. The law is the law. If they could get away with this with this cult, they could get away with it with anyone, anywhere.
So what if the men were not available for DNA testing. That is not proof of guilt, is it?
This idiocy is going to cost the state of Texas plenty, and the worst part of it is that the money is going to go to this bizarre cult to support more bigamy.
Point to me EXACTLY where Texas has lied here? They acted in good faith on what they believed was a danger to a minor and they found information in the course that showed there is a huge problem her.
Texas has not lied one iota in this mess. They are investigating under a microscope.
Also, there is the issue of kids transported across state lines illegally. Common knowledge this is leverage for the groups hierarchy to rape the girls. Also, it is easier for a freak mother to send someone else’s girl to be raped instead of her own.
So everyone that claimed there was no due process for the Duke Lacross players supports rape and prostitution. Gotcha.
Due process prevents guilty people from walking just as much as it prevents not guilty from being convicted. Funny how it works that way. In this case some guilty parties are going to walk. That's not justice, and that's not due process.
So your point is what? Also those people married at that age came from families who did not tell them they were going to hell if they didn’t do this.
PLEASE rethink what you said.
Do you doubt that each of these children was loved by their parents? Especially their mothers?
Do you think that Texas Government loves these children?
Do you think all 400+ children will by placed in loving homes, and none will suffer the abuse that is rampant in foster homes?
Or are you just pissed at some "Religious Weenie-waggers" that you have heard about, from dubious sources?
“By your standard, even 911 operators should doubt and try to sort out people dying. Come on people! They acted on what they thought was a true emergency. I don’t doubt their veracity in believing something horrible was going on.”
Uh...right... as they drove the tank up the road there was a 12 year old getting married to some 98 year old guy with an oxygen tube. Riiiiight.
Explain taking a newborn baby away form its mother — what, our 98 yar old on oxygen was gonna marry her too the next day?
“Here I thought I was watching a touching story of love and redemption, but according to the lynch mob here at FR, it turns out the movie was really about a child-rape cult. “
You with the stupidity award for the most ridiculous comparison of all. You equate a young women with several children being brainwashed. Sad to be you.
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