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The Unraveling
The New Republic ^
| May 26, 2008
| Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank
Posted on 05/26/2008 7:28:38 AM PDT by Nony
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posted on
05/26/2008 7:28:38 AM PDT
by
Nony
To: Nony
nothing surprising here about the big picture. the fear that Iraq would be a breeding ground for terrorists, when all that could be seen was slaughter of innocents and self-slaughter has always been a shibboleth of the leftists and their policy proxies, Scowcroft, Odom, Armitage, etc. The whole movement is being degraded by Bush’s steadfastness, though the cost is very high.
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posted on
05/26/2008 7:38:38 AM PDT
by
gusopol3
To: Nony
A glimpse of a silver lining in the WOT.
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posted on
05/26/2008 7:53:36 AM PDT
by
wildbill
To: gusopol3
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posted on
05/26/2008 8:03:05 AM PDT
by
MissionMan
(Africa - Bound)
To: Nony
Thanks to GWB - all through this article it was apparent that the pressure applied to al Quaeda and jihadists by the U.S. has caused them get more and more deperate, and basically discredit themselves and their caise in the process.
To: Nony
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posted on
05/26/2008 8:29:46 AM PDT
by
kalee
(The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
To: Nony
To: Nony
Hey Slick,
You better put some ice on that.
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posted on
05/26/2008 8:45:53 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
(Huma for co-president!)
To: Nony
That was fascinating. Equally amazing is how little of this information is part of the WOT discourse in the US. It may be that Bush was right all along in his “hearts and minds” campaign. Let’s hope so.
To: Nony
Good read, thanks for the post.
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posted on
05/26/2008 11:24:49 AM PDT
by
ScreamingFist
(Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
To: Nony; All
The war in Iraq against Al Queda has been a cathartic but necessary endeavor, in which the true and bloody face of Al Queda has been brutally witnessed by the people, demonstrating the myth and the lie in the “Arab Street” about Al Queda’s intentions, about how they would rule if they could.
The cost has been high but the long term value will be worth it - Al Queda is showing itself as the enemy of Arabs and Muslims.
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posted on
05/26/2008 11:59:27 AM PDT
by
Wuli
To: Nony
To: Nony
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posted on
05/26/2008 3:29:17 PM PDT
by
happygrl
To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; freema; ...
Pinging to this truly excellent read about the jihadists and the WOT.
To: Lancey Howard
"The starting point has to be that jihad is legitimate, otherwise no one will listen, " says Benotman
This appears to me to be the most significant statement for the USA. It is failure that has them rethinking their current strategy. The proper way to think about his article is "Since this strategy is losing the people, then we declare this strategy to be wrong."
No one is saying that the act of murdering innocent civilians is wrong. The difference between a soldier and a terrorist is that the terrorist intentionally targets innocents as part of his strategy. A soldier targets the enemy's military and military capabilities.
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posted on
05/26/2008 9:04:41 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
To: Nony
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posted on
05/26/2008 9:34:02 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
To: Nony; Lancey Howard
Good piece, thanks for the post and ping.
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posted on
05/26/2008 9:58:10 PM PDT
by
jazusamo
(DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
I think this is a duplicate, but I’m going to bed without checking. G’night all.
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posted on
05/26/2008 11:27:01 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
To: SunkenCiv
All this has created a dawning recognition among Muslims that the ideological virus that unleashed September 11 and the terrorist attacks in London and Madrid is the same virus now wreaking havoc in the Muslim world. Yep, things are looking up -the muslims are afraid of their own fanatics.
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posted on
05/27/2008 3:47:28 AM PDT
by
Fred Nerks
(FAIR DINKUM!)
To: Nony
Most of these clerics and former militants, of course, have not suddenly switched to particularly progressive forms of Islam or fallen in love with the United States (all those we talked to saw the Iraqi insurgency as a defensive jihad), but their anti-Al Qaeda positions are making Americans safer. If this is a war of ideas, it is their ideas, not the West's, that matter. The U.S. government neither has the credibility nor the Islamic knowledge to effectively debate Al Qaeda's leaders, but the clerics and militants who have turned against them do. Juan Zarate, a former federal prosecutor and a key counterterrorism adviser to President Bush, acknowledged as much in a speech in April when he said, "These challenges from within Muslim communities and even extremist circles will be insurmountable at the end of the day for Al Qaeda."The greatest anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life collective in the history of civilization DOES NOT HAVE 1 MEMBER WHO HAS AN IDEA THAT INTERESTS ME.
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posted on
05/27/2008 6:29:25 AM PDT
by
PGalt
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