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Market Drowns in Sea of Oil; Dow Dives 325
FoxBusiness ^ | 6-6-08 | Matt Egan

Posted on 06/06/2008 12:09:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: The Wizard
the Dow dives 300 points every few weeks....it’s still over 12,000, give me a break, a few years ago it was 5,000

The Dow Industrials is just an average of thirty stocks and it is heavily MANIPULATED by constantly changing stocks. I am not sure why they are still called the industrials, when it has McDonald's and Coke. When the Dow was 5000, the average was a little more deserving of the the title industrials. It contained Bethlehem Steel and Woolworth's, they are not in the Dow anymore and for good reason they no longer exist.

41 posted on 06/06/2008 12:41:43 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: rightinthemiddle
Bush said it: We must wean ourselves from our addiction!

The only problem with that statement is that it takes an awful lot of oil to break our addiction. In order to migrate from oil we must build an entirely new energy infrastruture. That means we need a lot of steel, concrete, copper and aluminum...and all of theose raw materials require huge quantities of oil to mine, process, transport and construct. My fear is that for lack of oil, we may not be able to migrate away from oil quickly enough.

42 posted on 06/06/2008 12:41:49 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: TampaDude
I hope all those speculators throw themselves out of windows when the oil bubble bursts.

We all know most Americans have reduced their gas usage considerably. We alone have reduced ours by as much as 25 percent, eliminating all needless trips and combining others. Most people are already rationing their use.

Yet prices continue to rise rapidly.

If this continues, we're all going to witness a massive collapse.

43 posted on 06/06/2008 12:43:19 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Revelation 911

“do you think this is intentional on the part of congress?”

Is Obama a liberal?


44 posted on 06/06/2008 12:43:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

our addiction to oil or our addiction to freedom of movement and to live in the country not the city? Bet McCain and Obama would answer those questions VERY differently...


45 posted on 06/06/2008 12:44:04 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Nervous Tick
So the rising oil prices might not be a classic “bubble”.

So, “It’s different this time”? :-)

Yes!!! China and India are industrializing at a dizzying pace. If the price of oil begins to go down they will simply suck that up.

46 posted on 06/06/2008 12:44:20 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: rightinthemiddle

Speculator apologist shows up right on cue.


47 posted on 06/06/2008 12:44:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I put a little into the RYDEX short fund "RYACX" last week. It trades as the inverse of the NASDAQ. I'm neutral so far on that ... the NASDAQ has held up ok until today. Now it's going lower, along with the Dow (DJIA) and S&P 500. I'm smiling ...
48 posted on 06/06/2008 12:45:06 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: KamperKen
driven by a political correction that has to occur first, unfortunately

Ding! We have a winner.

49 posted on 06/06/2008 12:46:43 PM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: TLI
"what was that? SPECULATION."

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

50 posted on 06/06/2008 12:48:43 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Was your post really necessary? Conserve electrons for the war effort.)
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To: Paladin2

Did you know that a diesel engine will run just fine on a 50/50 mixture of regular gasoline and filtered, used motor oil? And people will give used motor oil away.


51 posted on 06/06/2008 12:48:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Not I...my message was full of sarcasm.


52 posted on 06/06/2008 12:49:10 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I blame the Saudis. The last time any serious effort was made to achieve energy independence, the Saudis opened up the taps and oil went from $100 (in today's dollars) to $10. The US energy industry went into depression. So in spite of the insane oil prices, the energy industry is hesitant to invest what it will take to develop domestic oil shale or the like.

So here's my modest proposal: Bomb Saudi Arabia. This will immediately solve the problem of our reliance on Saudi oil, and the resulting energy shortage will guarantee that we develop our own vast supply of oil shale, tar sands, coal-to-liquids, etc. And more immediately, start producing the 85% of our continental shelf oil now off limits due to environmental concerns.

53 posted on 06/06/2008 12:49:16 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: NRG1973

>> If the price of oil begins to go down they will simply suck that up.

Do you believe in “peak oil”?

I don’t.

I do believe there may be a time lag bringing new sources on line.

Eternal high prices sort of depend on zero-sum supplies, do they not?


54 posted on 06/06/2008 12:50:06 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

...”sea of oil?” Ha, ha, ha! It’s wishful thinking economics.

Drill and build factories in the liberal, commie-hiring, rich folks’ back yards. Then you’ll have enough oil and jobs close to home. Until then, enjoy your suffering.

No-vote!


55 posted on 06/06/2008 12:50:45 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: KamperKen
Hard as it is to believe, there is an upside to all of this.

Who knows...maybe this will give the GOP enough backbone to start pushing hard for drilling in all domestic locations and building more refineries.

56 posted on 06/06/2008 12:51:36 PM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama, or McCain.)
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To: Nervous Tick; TLI
If there is a speculative component to this debacle, I've suggested that someone with DEEP pockets go in and pop that bubble by selling a bunch of contracts short and gunning the stops the speculators always put in to manage risk on the downside when they're bullish. And that deep pockets trader would be someone like Billy Ray Valentine hired by the DOE, who could back short contracts with physical actuals, like from the SPR.

I was part of a scale trading partnership in the previous life and when the managers wanted to have a little fun with speculative capital they would go gunning the stops in thinly traded markets like cocoa and flaxseed oil. It was easy (relatively speaking) to slam those markets with big sell orders and trigger the stop loss orders, since anyone who could read charts and knew technical trading could tell where the stops likely were placed. Trouble here is, crude isn't exactly a thinly traded market. You'd need a huge flood of sell orders to slam the market significantly. Still, someone like DOE, with the SPR reserves backing up their short contracts, could do it. If people are worried about overspeculation, this would be a way to flush a lot of them out of the markets.

57 posted on 06/06/2008 12:51:56 PM PDT by chimera
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To: dragnet2

“If this continues, we’re all going to witness a massive collapse. “

And Congress could reverse the trend of rising gasoline prices in a single vote, yet they would rather kiss the collective asses of a few environMENTAL whacko.


58 posted on 06/06/2008 12:52:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

This would be a great opportunity for McCain to come out and call more drilling on U.S. soil, but I’m not holding my breath...it’s going to be a long eight years.


59 posted on 06/06/2008 12:55:49 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse (especially Iran's)")
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To: megatherium

“So here’s my modest proposal: Bomb Saudi Arabia. This will immediately solve the problem of our reliance on Saudi oil, and the resulting energy shortage will guarantee that we develop our own vast supply of oil shale, tar sands, coal-to-liquids, etc.”

And in the ten years it takes to do this we pay $10/gal for gasoline.

Uh, no thanks. I’ll work on pressuring Congress to open ANWR and the Gulf for more drilling and more oil refineries.


60 posted on 06/06/2008 12:56:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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