Catholics Debate Obama Vote

townhall.com ^ | June 06, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

[xkaydet65]

Contraception, masturbation etc. are like all sins, sins of selfishness, putting our own pleasures before God. They are acts of the individual and most often affect no other person beyond the actor( actors in the case of a couple.) But abortion reaches beyond as it impacts the existence of another human.

The Holy Church sees contraception as sinful, but it understands that many others do not and to seek to impose Catholic dogma on the public is at best a return to medieval times. Abortion, however, is the taking of innocent human life and that action demands the Church speak out and endeavor to influence society.

Most non Catholics, and some Catholics, do not see the nuance here. They look at Church efforts against abortion as being the same as compelling Sunday Mass or meatless Fridays. Just another Catholic religious practice and belief that should never be imposed on non Catholics.

A question I always ask these people is are they absolutely sure the embryo is not a human life? If they are 100%certain then I cannot hope to sway them, but if they have even the slightest doubt, I turn the argument against capital punishment upon them. If there is the slightest question of guilt or responsibility for a crime then the final punishment should never be invoked. If there is the slightest possibilty of the true humanity of that embryo then ending its existence should never be an option.

[Jeff Head]

Obama proudly supports partial bith abortion, and as a senator in Illinois held up a bill and would not vote for it or allow it to come to a vote, that would have outlawed live birth abortions.

What's to debate?

Barack Hussein Obama is the apex of the hate-America, domestic enemy in this country. His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

[E. Cartman]

The question should be how could an American vote for Obama.

Vote for a real conservative. Vote for Bob Barr, or write in Tom Tancredo or Lou Barletta.

[RooRoobird20]

Barack Obama voted against the Born Alive Protection Act in the Illinois Senate. He’s a radical abortionist, baby killer, and by that vote, shows he supports infanticide. What’s the question here?

As the bumper sticker says: “You Cannot be Catholic and be in Favor of Abortion”

[Salvation]

No Catholic can vote for ;BabyKiller Obama' since he has voted repeatedly to support abortion and partial birth abortion. He also takes and gets earmarks for Planned Parenthood.

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CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches 1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm

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CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches 2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm

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CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches 2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm

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4:	CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

[Salvation]

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[Scotswife]

“No Catholic can vote for ;BabyKiller Obama’ since he has voted repeatedly to support abortion and partial birth abortion”

And he also has supported post birth abortion aka opposing the born alive infants’ protection act.

He thinks babies are “punishments.”

[Salvation]

You really want Obama to win, don’t you?

Think about it.

[padre35]

Barack also is big into supporting so called “Gay Marriages” and wants The Defense of Marriage Act “modified”.

Name your social, religious, or cultural issue and it is a safe bet that he is outside the mainstream.

[Salvation]

Another bumper sticker that I have seen:

Aren't you glad that your mother didn't believe in abortion"

[Salvation]

Any Catholic who votes for Obama is automatically excommunicating themselves.

[OpusatFR]

“Every fertilized egg, natural miscarriage and induced abortion is an immortal soul that presumably goes to heaven, since it has had no chance to sin...”

A miscarriage is a natural event and could be for God’s own purpose and plan. An abortion is the murder of an infant. The fetus doesn’t become a “dog is a pig is a whale is a human” a la PETA, but a human being in fetal or embryonic form.

The point is that by interfering with the development of a human being, we become the judge of who lives and who dies. IUD’s prevent an embryonic human from attaching to the womb to grow. An infant is clearly human early in the pregnancy.

Do we know for a fact that the little souls are present in the embryonic stage or in the early fetal stage? God said he knows us from before our gestation. Who are we to say otherwise.

There are 45,000,000 missing children in the world who had a purpose since we believe that each person is born with a specific God-given purpose, even if it is only to sit there disabled to teach someone something necessary in God’s plan or as a victim soul.

About baptism: “God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments...”

There is baptism by blood also. Those innocents who die by such violence in the womb certainly are baptised by blood.

Try this site for a better answer than my poor attempt:
http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=4050

[Chucky is a girlie man]

Divorce and abandoning one’s crippled wife for a younger, hotter, rich girl also isn’t indicative of “good family values.”

We can’t “pick and choose” which of the teachings of the Church to follow and which to abandon...but politicians aren’t saints. We have to choose the lesser of two evils once the primaries are done.

[oswegodeee]

Barack Obama would not even vote yes to protect an aborted baby who was alive when ripped from the womb. How can any Catholic support that?

I am not Catholic but I attended a Catholic School for 12 years. I was taught that murder was wrong, and it is! However, killing like in war is often necessary, but not especially desirable. A method of last resort. The Bible tells of necessary war. No one with a speck of humanity likes to see killing. To be anti-war can be noble but can also be ignorant and self destructive.

Abortion however is outright murder and anyone who votes for a candidate who approves/supports abortion in any stage of pregnancy is in my opinion also a murderer by proxy.

[gitmo]

Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?

I know a bunch of em who voted for Clinton. Twice. Actually thrice, if you include Hillary's primary run.

[SumProVita]

It CERTAINLY is worth repeating!

“Catholics need to know what their Church teaches. Know your candidate. Know abortion isn’t just any issue.”

[SumProVita]

Something else worth repeating:

“NO.

It isn’t just Obambi’s disregard for life, it is his Marxian worldview and his choice of friends.”

[SumProVita]

“The question should be how could an American vote FOR Obama.

Vote for Bob Barr, or write in Tom Tancredo or Lou Barletta. This will take votes away from McCain...and GIVE the election to Obama.

[nyyankeefan]

catholics voting for b. HUSSEIN is no different than Jews voting for b. HUSSEIN.....this closet muzzie will sell out both groups!!!!

[CWWren]

Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?

Only if that voter believes that the pope isn't Catholic.

How a practical, practicing Catholic could support ANY candidate that belongs to the party of death is difficult to understand.