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Was Obama's "Certificate of Birth" manufactured?
Blogtownhall ^ | 6/20/08 | Polark

Posted on 06/17/2008 6:00:53 PM PDT by freespirited

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To: usmcobra
In the hands of the state government in Hawaii. My own birth certificate is in the hands of the state government in Indiana. Ronald Reagan's is in the hands of the state government in Illinois. George Washington didn't have a birth certificate.

BTW, Abe Lincoln's mother and his sister died and were buried on one of my direct male ancestor's farms. So stuff it buddy. I'm an hereditary Republican and you're nothing.

241 posted on 06/18/2008 10:45:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

So you debunked the author’s analysis? I don’t think so.


242 posted on 06/18/2008 10:47:25 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: The Louiswu

You have a certificate of birth issued to your parents at the hospital. Else, if you have your “original” official document regarding your birth you could get into serious trouble with ICE. The original must necessarily be filed with the government where it is kept safe.


243 posted on 06/18/2008 10:49:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: originalbuckeye
Here's the deal, as you have been informed many times on FR by numerous far more expert folks than myself the basic theory of Islam is that everybody is born to Islam, but then they are led astray into manmade false religions.

So, any orthodox Moslem (Sunni) is going to inform you straight away that Obama was "born a Moslem", but he will also tell you that you, "originalbuckeye", were also "born a Moslem".

Capice?

The man's birth father (baby daddy in Rio Linda) abandoned the mother very early on. She then married a Moslem guy from Indonesia who, by reputation, was an Atheist. However, in Indonesia, as in every Moslem dominated country, you must report a religious affiliation. Failure to do so could result in severe penalties. His step father, as head of household, simply reported that he was Moslem, even when he was attending a Catholic school.

I think that's pretty easy to understand myself. Remember, not everyplace on Earth is run like the United States. Some of the countries are quite primitive and demand you account for your religious beliefs publicly in every venue. Also, don't wear an expensive wristwatch or other jewelry when you visit Indonesia. You may lose your hand or your head! See the difference. In the US they are after your tennis shoes.

244 posted on 06/18/2008 10:56:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pissant
Pissant, the author of the "analysis", if you must call it that, used a "transcript" of his own "certification of birth" which refers to "facts on file" as a point of comparison for the Obama document from Hawaii.

I'd say he got off to a bad start.

Frankly, I'd like to see the author come up with a simple black and white photocopy of his actual "birth certificate" which contains those "facts on file", not some stupid "transcript" created in 2007 (as clearly indicated in the date stamp on the face of the document).

The Obama document is not less original than the item proposed by the author to be authentic.

So, what is there to debunk? The guy's looking into his top hat and reading us a Gospel or something. Some might believe. Most don't!

245 posted on 06/18/2008 11:17:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Then you did not understand his analysis.


246 posted on 06/18/2008 11:19:33 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
There is no "analysis" to understand. Those who've had any experience with authenticating documents know very well that our civil records system does not rely on the existence of a single piece of paper. It's a vast system with several variations. It makes use of a wide variety of technology.

If Hawaii says the facts claimed are true, that's as good as it gets.

247 posted on 06/18/2008 11:22:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
This is 1961 information - not something out of today’s PC milieu. It was a simpler time. Officially even Jews were still referred to as “Hebrew”.

It's useless, and so is this thread. Without another birth certification, issued by the State of Hawaii in the same year (2007) for comparison, all the analysis of print and borders is silly. There's no reason to believe this isn't authentic. Most states (all that I know of) offer this short-form of certification, and it's a perfectly legal proof of birth.

I've done a lot of genealogy research, acquiring documents from many states and time periods, and you are correct, there was no uniformity in racial categories, or even in the information supplied, across time periods. But if people want to engage in conspiracy theories and comparison of apples to oranges, while there's so much more that's questionable about this candidate -- such as his refusal to release his college transcripts from any of three institutions he attended -- well, it's useless arguing with them.

248 posted on 06/18/2008 11:23:03 AM PDT by browardchad ("We are all mavericks now." -- Rush Limbaugh)
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To: muawiyah

It is a detailed analysis of why this is not a print out from a template gov’t document with BO’s info, but a forged attempt to make it look like one. You can disagree with his analysis, but analysis is exactly what it is.


249 posted on 06/18/2008 11:25:35 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: muawiyah
The earlier thread addressed each and every issue being raised in this thread and rational answers were provided for each and every issue.

A couple of issues have been addressed. There are still several which haven't. I am not satisfied that jpeg compression would eliminate the background. This document should have an embossed seal stamped on it, with a stamped signature, perhaps that is on the back. But the stamped seal should have been noticeable even in the scan. Really, a scanned image is too easy to manipulate. I could show a scanned image of me on mars. Unless some unbiased source examined the actual document, this does not prove a thing. All this image does is raise questions which could easily been answered if the document was made available.

250 posted on 06/18/2008 11:26:30 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: muawiyah

You are right. The race could have been anything but in my years of public records searches I have never seen African. But you are right. It was not standardized then.


251 posted on 06/18/2008 11:28:03 AM PDT by esquirette (If we do not have our own world view, we will accept theirs.)
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To: pissant
Look, the very next item on his board AFTER his initial claim is a picture of a document he seems to believe is his own birth certificate.

I hope you caught that. He said " Here's a genuine copy of a real certificate of birth -- my own:" but the document itself says that it's actually A TRANSCRIPT of information kept somewhere.

After ROTFLMAO for several hours I hopped back into this thread to see what other wonders we might see tossed at us.

There were plenty of them, but none so strange as the ones claiming Hawaii had been a foreign country in 1961.

Obviously we have been undermined by trolls if that sort of thing can be claimed with a straight face by anyone.

252 posted on 06/18/2008 11:31:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Always Right
There happens to be a "date stamp" on the back. Another poster played with one of the two different internet images and was able to bring it up. That's on the earlier thread.

This is not a Dan Rather moment. There we didn't have the originals ~ in fact, the guy who created them said he'd destroyed them after he made copies.

What we did have was incontrovertible time dilation effect info ~ namely, "kerning had been left on" when the guy prepared the "original" forgeries! (bwahahahahahaha!!!!).

Here we can go to the original fabricator, the State of Hawaii, and see what their doggone transcript certification looks like. Anyone can do that. Folks rarely forge such easily verified materials except as a joke.

253 posted on 06/18/2008 11:37:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You are grasping at straws.


254 posted on 06/18/2008 11:38:09 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Call Hawaii. See what they say. Then get back to me.

So far none of you guys have come up with anything meaningful. Besides, State Department issued him a passport. If this is the document Obama showed them, and their highly skilled document examiners accepted it, then it's OK.

I bet none of them thought Hawaii was a foreign country like "New Mexico" really is eh?!

255 posted on 06/18/2008 11:40:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: esquirette

Look, maybe you should look at deed covenants in a title for a property in, perhaps, Shaker Heights circa 1961. They’ll be using “African Race” and “Hebrew Race”.


256 posted on 06/18/2008 11:42:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; pissant
This is not a Certificate of Live Birth, but a Certification. A Certification, is computer generated, and can not be used for passports, etc.
257 posted on 06/18/2008 11:52:00 AM PDT by NathanR (Obama: More 'African' than 'American'.)
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To: NathanR

And it is a fraudulent certification at that, according to this author’s analysis


258 posted on 06/18/2008 11:56:45 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: muawiyah
Besides, State Department issued him a passport. If this is the document Obama showed them, and their highly skilled document examiners accepted it, then it's OK.

Why do you assume Obama used this to get a passport? I just applied for a passport and unless your birth certificate has a signature and a embossed seal (go to the state department website yourself if you doubt), it will get sent back. This document could not have been used for a passport. There may be nothing here, but this image proves nothing.

259 posted on 06/18/2008 11:57:35 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: muawiyah

“Stuff it buddy” that is kind of personal don’t you think?

Now that I know you are the type that will resort to personal attacks when you cannot debate I’ll round file whatever comments you make from here on out as droolings.


260 posted on 06/18/2008 12:19:37 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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