IMHO, it has to look like "somebody else" ( like the RNC or McCain) leaked it with NONE of Hill & Bill's fingerprints anywhere near it ( kinda like Edwards).
Posted on 08/09/2008 10:37:19 AM PDT by dascallie
You do realize you can get replacement birth certificates?
With all the COLB controversy, it is apparently tougher to play Little League than run for POTUS.
Nobody has ever said this was a copy of the original 1961 BC, but that it’s a copy of a later ordered duplicate BC. For example I don’t have my original BC instead I have a duplicate I ordered from vital records in the 90’s. This “copy” was actually printed in June 2007 it looks like (reverse the imprinted date from the back)...well after the laser printer was invented, so that is a null issue.
The issue is that this fake BC was photoshopped and it is actually his sister’s birth certificate with data changed to represent it as Obama’s.
It is rather interesting he would take a break right now from campaigning.
How would you prove the following?
I didn't get the package.
He never telephoned me.
I wasn't born in Kenya.
I don't think anyone is going to disqualify him for not having one.
In fact I have no idea who is the final arbiter of whether or not a presidential candidate is a natural born U.S. citizen and what the official legal process would be to challenge someone's citizenship in running for president.
I don't think it's been remotely an issue in modern history. And I would doubt that more than 1/3rd of Americans know that you have to be a native-born citizen to be President.
I just posted this link, that I happened across, on another thread. It poses a number of possibilities. The post is long, so I won’t paste it here. Check it out:
Very interesting.
You would think that Obama would have had to show a birth certificate before 2007 for something - passport, new job, clearance, etc. And if the point was to refute claims of legitimacy, wouldn’t you want to try to show the original, or at least an earlier official copy?
That may be the most detailed Message Board Post in history. I found the part about “imaginary characters” in his book interesting...I haven’t heard that before.
> McCain has no natural born citizenship problem.
Then why was SRES 511 ATS necessary?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:3:./temp/~c110k8pkLr::
... and is it sufficient (binding on the Electoral
College, and on Congress when they approve the
election results)?
> Both McCain’s parents were US Citizens.
That makes him a citizen, but not necessarily a
“natural born” citizen, which has a vague
definition, which has changed over time.
> McCain’s father was serving in the armed forces
> of the USA at the time of his birth.
In Panama, which may not have been “U.S. soil” for nbC
purposes, and JSM3 was reportedly born off-base,
hence the apparent need for SRES 511.
Ironically, both Clinton and Obama were co-sponsors of
SRES 511. Wonder what McCain gave up for that.
Both presumptive candidates are under eligibility clouds.
BHO2’s cloud is much darker than JSM3’s.
Here’s a better link to Senate Res 511 ATS
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:sr511ats.txt.pdf
McCain's father was a U.S. military officer ; his mother was a military dependent. Under the UCMJ John McCain was a "natural born citizen". There's no "cloud" over McCain.
Obama, on the other hand, has nothing but bogus birth certificates.
IMHO, it has to look like "somebody else" ( like the RNC or McCain) leaked it with NONE of Hill & Bill's fingerprints anywhere near it ( kinda like Edwards).
I agree!!!
> There’s no “cloud” over McCain.
Then let me ask again - if that’s obviously the case, why
was an attempt at formal cloud removal necessary?
(Senate Resolution 511, April 30, 2008)
And is S.Res.511 binding on the Electoral College
and the Congress, should the DEMs decide they don’t
like the outcome of the election?
By the way, it is not my position that McCain is
ineligible. My opinion is that he is.
As for Obama, we have insufficient evidence to
make a determination. The COLB so far presented
is a fake document. Unlike the TANG fakes, there
likely is a real Obama birth cert. What is says
is anyone’s guess.
Let's get the National Enquirer to investigate!
Now that they have helped McCain resolve his qualifications, now McCain and the GOP are obligated to help "resolve" Obama's potential "issues" if and when they arise.
As for Obama, we have insufficient evidence to make a determination. The COLB so far presented is a fake document. Unlike the TANG fakes, there likely is a real Obama birth cert. What is says is anyone’s guess.
Many of us here at FR, including myself, realised that Obama's online CoLB's were bogus because they deliberately concealed the area where the all important Certification Number was supposed to be. If you, or anyone else attempted to hand in a CoLB where one was required, and it had the C.N. blacked out, it simply would not be accepted. No way, no how.
When the Obama camp wants to present a CoLB with a Certification Number that is visible, then maybe we can begin to view the issue differently.
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