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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: hocndoc

I think a LOT of people were praying for this event....even among those who never read FreeRepublic.

;-)

People are beginning to realize the seriousness of this election.


1,641 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:44 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: hocndoc

Yes, in such a substantial way. I do believe God is taking hold of this man’s heart. MAy God have mercy upon US if we do not choose God’s choice of these two.


1,642 posted on 08/16/2008 7:59:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: STARWISE
Great resume .. annoying, stiff and preachy speaker

America's Mother-in-Law.

1,643 posted on 08/16/2008 8:00:03 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Obama will be lucky if he gets nominated, after tonight. He was that bad.

The Hildabeast hears you, and probably a few super delegates do too. Me thinks the knives are out.

1,644 posted on 08/16/2008 8:00:11 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: hocndoc
..I'm not a McCain supporter, but IMHO he wiped the floor with marxist Obama

For many of us, the absence of discussion re the border issue was a disappointment but not a surprise...

1,645 posted on 08/16/2008 8:01:25 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: SumProVita

Obama will not get any press on his performance tonight. The leftists will not like his pandering to the faith base. McCain however said exactly what he needed to say.


1,646 posted on 08/16/2008 8:01:46 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: mnehrling
Thank you for that post and quote.
It is worth repeating.
So here goes:

I think we all are coming to the realization that our choice is Obama or McCain -
that's the real world. And to quote the late, great, Winston Churchill:

In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed,
to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.


1,647 posted on 08/16/2008 8:02:11 PM PDT by XR7
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To: anglian

ping


1,648 posted on 08/16/2008 8:02:18 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Earthdweller

OK, being re-broadcasted, for those of us who missed it.


1,649 posted on 08/16/2008 8:02:41 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: rdl6989; All

The rerun is about to start again. Bumping to the top for those of us who just read the play-by-play for the live version.

Request for those who watched it live, can you watch it again and let us know if it was edited.

(Did Warren just say that ‘faith is just a world view’?)


1,650 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:20 PM PDT by mnehring (http://www.heyobamababy.com/obama_baby_cool_cat.htm)
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To: maica

“President” will always be above his pay grade,


1,651 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Earthdweller
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/08/16/obama-says-pointed-abortion-query-above-his-pay-grade/

Reuters headline...”Obama Says Pointed Abortion Query Above His Pay Grade”

1,652 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:29 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: hocndoc; MHGinTN
“Who won the night?”

McCain by a mile. I can't imagine any Freeper thinking otherwise.

IMO—The so called undecideds if they are sane stable people will at least see McCain as more presidential and with much greater depth.

I think the MSM should start bringing up the Gravitas issue.

1,653 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:52 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: txflake
being re-broadcatsed...

When?
Where?
Would you be kind enough to post the links?
Thanks.

1,654 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:00 PM PDT by XR7
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To: All

Replaying on FOXNEWS now 10pm central


1,655 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:01 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: mnehrling

I will watch again


1,656 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:16 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: txflake

Thanks for telling us. I think I’ll tune into Phelps though, even though I would like to see this again.


1,657 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:47 PM PDT by Toki
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

Folks are lying when they say he didn’t support assistance to any child born who survived abortion. It’s offense for people to continue to push this, he says. Misrepresentation of my position he says.

~~~

And that’s an outright lie.

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To: STARWISE

Page 87

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf

Obama: And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.

332 posted on Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:09:59 PM by Son House

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2062196/posts?page=332#332


1,658 posted on 08/16/2008 8:05:05 PM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: TornadoAlley3

taxpayer funded gubermint handouts are not “compassion”.


1,660 posted on 08/16/2008 8:05:38 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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