Posted on 08/27/2008 8:00:04 AM PDT by ETL
About the Weather Underground-related police killings mentioned in the new anti-Obama ad/video
For those of you who do not know, the 'police killing' mentioned in this latest video on Bill Ayers, his wife Bernardine Dohrn, and their revolutionary communist / "domestic terrorist" organization, the Weather Underground, occurred during a 1981 Brinks truck robbery in Upstate, N.Y. -ETL
From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"On October 20, 1981 -- long after the Weather Underground had ceased to exist -- former Underground member Kathy Boudin and her soon-to-be husband, David Gilbert, were accomplices in the robbery of a Brinks armored car in Nyack, New York. In the course of that heist, one Brinks guard and two Nyack police officers were murdered. Also involved in the robbery was Judith Clark, who had served a prison term for her participation in the 'Days of Rage.' Boudin hired attorney Leonard Weinglass, a law partner of her father, to defend her in the case.
Weinglass arranged for a plea bargain whereby Boudin pled guilty to one count of felony murder and robbery, in exchange for a prison sentence of twenty years to life. She was paroled in 2003, however, over strong opposition from New York State police. Gilbert remains in New York's Attica State Prison, having refused to bargain.
In 1985, former Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg (who also was implicated in the Nyack robbery [Brinks truck robbery/murder]) and Linda Evans were apprehended while transporting 740 pounds of explosives which they both acknowledged were slated for use in additional bombings. Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in prison, Evans 40; President Bill Clinton pardoned both women in January 2001."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808
AMBUSH: THE BRINKS ROBBERY OF 1981
[triple murder involving former Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army and Black Panthers members]
Jeral Wayne Williams (AKA Mutulu Shakur
[stepfather of murdered rapper Tupac Shakur]
"The armored truck's final stop was the Nanuet National Bank on the second level of the mall. The crew was due to pick up almost $1.6 million dollars in cash from the bank. Inside the truck was an additional several hundred dollars in cash from earlier collections. Pete Paige was assigned to guard his partner as he handled the cash. His partner was assigned to enter the bank, retrieve the moneybags with Paige and place them into the back of the armored vehicle.
Also in the same parking lot that afternoon was a red Chevy van that cruised the area while the guards went inside the mall. The rear and side windows had been covered with plastic so no one could see inside. Inside the van was a man named Mutulu Shakur, 31, already a veteran of several armored car and bank robberies committed in the Bronx, Mt. Vernon, NY and Paramus, NJ. Shakur was an adopted name. His real name, or slave name as he described it, was Jeral Wayne Williams. He was a black nationalist who ran a financially corrupt acupuncture clinic in Lincoln Hospital in New York City, the first such clinic in the Bronx. Williams was an articulate and persuasive individual who recruited many disciples to follow him. Under the banner of black self-determination, he convinced his accomplices that it was up to them to seize funds from legitimate sources and "redistribute" the money to various black causes. With each robbery committed, the gang improved on its methods and became more sophisticated. They studied the reaction of guards and the police. They took the time to learn how police handled and investigated such crimes. Then, they made the appropriate adjustments on the next job.
David Gilbert mugshot
Kathy Boudin
"David J. Gilbert, 37, rented the vehicle that same day in the Bronx. Gilbert was a long time member of the Weather Underground and a fugitive from the state of Colorado where he faced charges of assault and possession of explosives. The passenger in the front seat of the U Haul was Kathy Boudin [another former Weather Underground member], on the run from the law since the townhouse explosion in 1970. The couple had dropped off their one-year old child with a babysitter in the morning and was waiting for the return of the red van."
"In the back of the red van were Cecilio 'Chui' Ferguson, 35, Samuel Brown AKA Solomon Bouines, 41, Samuel Smith AKA Mtayari Sundiata, 37, and Donald Weems AKA Kuwasi Balagoon, 35. There were others present, but it has never been proven who, or how many. All the men in back of the van were members of a group they called 'The Family.' Most of them had ties to the Black Panthers or the Black Liberation Army, radical political groups that had many violent confrontations with police during the 1970s."
"At approximately 3:55 p.m., Paige, a 24-year Brink's veteran and his partner, Joe Trombino, 48, exited the doors to the Mall rolling out the moneybags on a hand truck. They walked over to the Brink's truck and began to load up the bags onto the rear deck. Simultaneously, the red van pulled up and the rear doors swung open. One of the suspects, armed with a shotgun, ran to the front of the truck and immediately fired two blasts directly at the bulletproof windshield. The guard in the front seat ducked just in time and was unhurt.
Another suspect, wearing a ski mask, opened up with his M-16 automatic rifle before his feet even hit the pavement, striking Paige in the neck, arm and chest. He was killed instantly.
Joe Trombino fired just one shot before he was hit several times in his upper arm and shoulder. The bullets all but severed his arm off his shoulder. "I've got no arm!" he screamed. But Trombino would survive that day, only to perish years later in another terrorist attack at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/brinks/4.html
The Investigation
The suspects were often described as "urban terrorists" in the press and cops everywhere were deeply worried about the role of the Black Liberation Army.
The B.L.A. was a notorious and violent group of extremists who planned and carried out unprovoked shootings of uniformed police officers. During the 1970s and early 1980s, there were several of these types of killings of which the B.L.A. were suspect. On May 20, 1971, New York City Police Officers Joseph Piagentini and Waverly Jones were shot and killed in an ambush in Harlem. The following year, on January 28, 1972, officers Gregory Foster and Rocco Laurie were murdered outside a restaurant in Manhattan. Another such shooting occurred on the night of April 16, 1981 when uniform cops pulled over a suspicious van in the St. Alban's section of Queens. Without any warning, two men jumped out of the rear of the van with machine guns and opened up on the unsuspecting cops. Both were immediately killed. This cold-blooded killing enraged cops everywhere. A later investigation indicated that an escaped radical, Joannne Chesimard, one of the most sought after individuals in America, may have been in that van. She was serving a life sentence for her role in the murder of a New Jersey State trooper in 1973 when she escaped from custody in 1979. This theory was never proven, but to this day, many of the investigators who worked on that case believed it to be true.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/terrorists/brinks/10.html
"[Bernardine] Dohrn [Bill Ayers' co-terrorist wife] once was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List. She served seven months in prison for refusing to cooperate with a grand jury investigating a 1981 armored truck robbery in Nyack, N.Y., in which two police officers [and 1 Brinks guard] were killed."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011101/aponline190504_000.htm
"They [Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn] later became legal guardians of Chesa Boudin, the son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, after his parents were arrested for their part in the Brinks Robbery of 1981.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0
"Officer Waverly Brown and Sergeant Edward O'Grady were shot and killed by heavily armed members of the Black Liberation Army who had just robbed a bank and were attempting to escape. The suspects had just murdered an armored car guard and wounded two other guards before loading themselves into the back of a rental truck to be driven away by accomplices. The truck was stopped at a roadblock manned by several Nyack officers."
Sergeant Edward O'Grady
http://www.odmp.org/officer/10136-sergeant-edward-j.-ogrady-jr.
Officer Waverly Brown
http://www.odmp.org/officer/2372-police-officer-waverly-l.-brown
BRINKS KIN RIP JUDGE
By MARSHA KRANES
September 27, 2006 -- Outraged relatives of the two cops and a security guard slain in the 1981 Brinks armored-car heist blasted a federal judge yesterday for ordering that the woman convicted of driving the getaway car get a new trial.
"It defies comprehension. It defies logic," the son of slain Brinks guard Peter Paige said of the decision handed down by Manhattan federal Judge Shira Scheindlin.
Meet the Newest Member of the Faculty
Clinton pardons a terrorist, and now she's teaching in Clinton, N.Y.
BY ROGER KIMBALL
Friday, December 3, 2004
At Hamilton College--an elite liberal arts institution in Clinton, N.Y.--you can take courses in Roman civilization, Shakespeare and the "Emergence of Modern Western Europe, 1500-1815." All well and good. You can also take something called "Resistance Memoirs: Writing, Identity and Change." That last course--a month-long, half-credit seminar--is scheduled to begin next month. Its teacher is Susan Rosenberg, formerly of the Weather Underground.
Remember the Weather Underground? Its self-described revolutionaries, mostly middle-class, dedicated themselves to supporting radical black causes and tearing apart American society in the 1970s and early 1980s. In 1970, they blew up a townhouse when a bomb detonated prematurely and killed a few of their troops. Kathy Boudin, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other high-profile members of the group spent the next decade or so running from the police and, some of them, continuing to pursue careers in criminal violence.
Ms. Rosenberg did her part. In October 1981, in an operation code-named "The Big Dance," several black radicals and members of the Weather Underground held up a Brinks armored car in Nanuet, N.Y. In the course of that act of domestic terrorism, they murdered Peter Paige, a Brinks guard, and police officers Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown, the only black officer on the Nyack, N.Y., force. Ms. Rosenberg, then still at large, was indicted as an accessory.
According to John Castellucci's "The Big Dance," an account of the Brinks robbery, Ms. Rosenberg's role in the Brinks job was performing surveillance, driving a getaway car and transmitting orders. "Any white who had taken part in the robbery," Mr. Castellucci writes, "would have received orders from her."
Mr. Castellucci reports that the Brinks robbery was only one of several violent episodes that Ms. Rosenberg was involved with in the late 1970s and early 1980s. She was finally apprehended in November 1984 while unloading a cache of weapons--including 740 pounds of explosives--at a storage facility in Cherry Hill, N.J. ..."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110005979
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And here is a link to the new anti-Obama Weather Underground video:
Do you "Know Enough" about Barack Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0pC_bpY
I agree, wholeheartedly... I truly fear for what may become of our country if Obama is elected... Heck, I’m kinda fearful of what may happen unless it’s a landslide victory against him... Even THEN I’m not so sure the agitators in our country will let it go by without causing some huge problems in our major cities. I think they’ve been looking for an excuse for some time now... Especially all those “youngsters” who are brainwashed into believing this crap, and are filled with adrenaline, and hate right now... Scary times, indeed.
For the time being, I removed the photo from my FR Profile/Home page, because you might be right. But if anyone here has photos or links to photos showing support for the Weather Underground among the commie-led "anti-war" movement protesters, please post it here and ping me. Tanks.
What’s the difference bewetten Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh?
What’s the difference bewetten Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh?
What’s the difference bewetten Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh?
What’s the difference bewetten Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh?
Thank you for appreciating it. :)
Hmmm... That’s actually kind of a tough question. Have you ever read the book by Jayna Davis titled, “The Third Terrorist”?
If I had to give you an answer off the top of my head it would have to be that the people who perpetrated the OKC bombing were tied to Islamic Radical Terrorists, while Bill Ayers is tied to Communists Revolutionaries. Not a whole heck of a lot of difference there when it comes down to it. Just depends on who you’d rather have oppressing you, I guess...
Actually, I could probably come up with a lot of differences between them - one’s dead, the other is free as a bird. There were serious problems with defense and evidence in the OKC bombing according to Davis’ investigations - Ayers walked away due to a technicality....
However, ultimately their actions had as their goal the same outcome - the downfall of the US (and her government). And, nowadays, it would appear that the Islamic Radicals and the Communists are building alliances, so perhaps they are not all that much different after all?
Does that kind of answer your question? Or, would you like to tell me what your answer to that question is?
For one thing, Timothy McVeigh was basically an isolated psycho, not part of a huge international movement to overthrow the American government. Another is that Timothy McVeigh didn't help launch John McCain's political career. Also, McCain didn't serve on a board with McVeigh for several years, or appear with him at various speaking events such as the following:
The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference
[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]
"This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society."
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm
WOW! ! And Many Thanx for cogent presentation of THE ONE!......
You're welcome, and thank YOU for the compliment. (I had to look up "cogent"!) :)
"Appealing to the intellect or powers of reasoning; convincing: a cogent argument. See Synonyms at valid."
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/cogent
Great points, ETL... I don’t think McVeigh was an isolated psycho exactly, and I do think he had ties to Islamic Radicals (see Jayna Davis’ book “The Third Terrorist”).
However, the other points you make are very good...
One thing that occurred to me right after I posted is this - and correct me if I’m wrong, but was this what you were getting at, massgopguy?
1. McVeigh was (according to his beliefs and statements) fighting against the radical socialist and anti-Constitutional/anti-gun actions of the Clinton’s and the Democratic Party when they were in power. If one is to believe what we read - McVeigh was supposedly getting revenge for Waco by participating in the OKC bombing. It was more of a convenience factor I believe that he worked with the Islamic Radicals. [This doesn’t, IMO, make what he did right - I don’t think we’re at the point to call for a revolutionary war/civil war, as McVeigh had suggested in the years leading up to the bombing.]
I also truly believe that the Clintons capitalized on McVeigh’s involvement thus letting the real masterminds - the terrorists who have ties to the same cell that went on to commit 9/11 (the group STILL in Norman, OK), and some say most likely the OU Bombing too - get away all in an effort to prove their point about how “dangerous” the “bible-clinging, gun toting”, Constitution-loving, “conservatives” were in our country at the time... (to paraphrase Obama).
2. Ayers is on “their side”... (meaning leftists, liberals, communists, and Democrats) and has NO INTENTION of keeping our constitution intact should they ever have the opportunity to do away with it... He has readily admitted that the revolution he is calling for is NOT to restore the Constitution, but rather to dismantle our government and set-up a Communist government in its stead.
Gosh, you’ve got me writing a pamphlet here, eh??? LOL
If I were to really examine these things closely I may have expressed some of these things differently, and I would definitely double-check some of the things I have attributed to McVeigh, as it’s been a LONG time since I’ve delved into those subjects, honestly.
I go to a small Catholic university on the Main Line in Philadelphia. I’m trying to do my part to fill their quota of (evidently one) conservatives on campus.
You can hardly compare any movement McVeigh might have been associated with or inspired by to the vast international revolutionary communist movement. Communists are teaching in our schools, all throughout the movie, television and music industries, leading the so-called "anti-war" movement, and now are on the door step of planting one of their puppets president of the United States. Also, Ayers' group and others like it were aided by foreign communists, including the KGB. Please see my post again.
Please don’t get me wrong - I’m not saying that McVeigh had anywhere near the “connections” or the ability to ravage our country like the communists, have and ARE doing presently. In that sense you are definitely correct that he was an isolated psycho - I can definitely see your point and I agree... The Communists have been working at this long and hard, and are very methodical. McVeigh was more the “angry” type that “broke”.
Sorry I wasn’t more clear on that.
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Yup - Thanks
I can composite a tiny /X/BLACK.gif square on upper left TV of the one I enlarged and cropped to a 4:3 980x735 size
The other 2 might make a good 1-2 animated .gif - Sometimes they work out well by adjusting the delay speed
The trick is too try to crop and resize photos where the cameraman or TV camera has moved from frame to frame
I found the following while using Google.com - from Obama’s website. Granted this isn’t about Obama and Ayers, but it does show another connection with these communist revolutionaries and the Democrat Party...
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/DMBfansforObama
Will the Lies ever stop?
By Ba-Rock the vote - Apr 25th, 2008 at 6:41 am EDT
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The following was posted in Talking Points Memo 4/25/2008 under TPM Campaign Wire Hill on Brinks radical: I didn’t know!
hillary423
In an interview yesterday, Hillary — whose connection to President Clinton’s 2001 sentence commutations for two members of the Weather Underground has become an issue since she tried to raise questions about Obama’s acquaintance with another ex-Weatherman — told “Inside Edition” that she “didn’t know anything about” the 2001 clemency case.
You can watch the video below. If it’s true, it means that she got the worst briefings in the world when she was running for Senate in 2000 and the clemency issue was hot in Rockland County, and it means that Chuck Schumer didn’t even bother to mention the issue to his fellow NY senator-elect/ First Lady after promising the widows of two dead cops to fight against one of the clemencies.
Here’s the chronology:
On October 19, 2000, as Hillary was hunting for Senate votes throughout New York, Rockland County’s biggest paper, the Journal News, ran a front page story reporting that imprisoned radical Susan Rosenberg — linked to the 1981 Weather Underground Brinks robbery that left two Nyack cops dead — was seeking clemency from Bill Clinton.
The next day, the widows and fellow state and local police attended a memorial service for the two dead cops at the site of the killings. Also in attendance: Sen. Chuck Schumer, who in that fall was frequently campaigning with Hillary. According to another front page story, on Oct. 21, he made a pledge to the widows to fight the clemency: “I intend to take our opposition as high as I can in government.”
On December 16, 2000, after Hillary became New York’s Senator-elect, the paper did another Page 1 story about an upcoming 60 Minutes episode on Rosenberg’s clemency application. It included a quote from one of her new constituents, Diane O’Grady, wife of one of the dead cops: “This is a woman who has taken lives.”
On December 17, 2000, the “60 Minutes” piece on Rosenberg’s case and clemency request ran.
So, Clinton — in her effort to avoid being connected in any way to the case — now says she knew nothing about it. Nobody briefed her, either while she was running or after she was elected, on an emotional hot-button issue that intersected her husband with her constituents. Her husband, who invited her to sit in on a White House meeting with another group of Rockland County residents seeking pardons for four Hasidic members of their community, never so much as mentioned Rosenberg.
And Schumer, after making a pledge to widows, never thought to even bring it up with his fellow Senator-elect, who owed him for helping her get elected, and recruit an ally who was widely seen as an influential advisor to her husband, the president. This being the same Schumer who figured out how to take the Senate away from the Republicans!!!
We asked Schumer spokesman Josh Vlasto whether his boss ever spoke to Hillary: “Chuck was the leading advocate against the pardons. He made his arguments to the Justice Department....He talked to the people who could effectuate the decision.” We asked for a more direct and responsive answer on whether he ever mentioned it to Hillary, and couldn’t get one.
In her assiduous efforts to have nothing to do with the Rosenberg case, Clinton’s spokesman has previously said she had no opinion about it except to think that a presidential pardon is a presidential pardon.
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