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Worlds in collision [planets 300 ly distant, inferred from extraordinary quantity of dust]
physorg.com ^ | September 23, 2008 | astronomers at UCLA, Tennessee State University and the California Institute of Technology

Posted on 09/23/2008 5:06:40 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko

Two terrestrial planets orbiting a mature sun-like star some 300 light-years from Earth recently suffered a violent collision, astronomers at UCLA, Tennessee State University and the California Institute of Technology will report in a December issue of the Astrophysical Journal, the premier journal of astronomy and astrophysics.

"It's as if Earth and Venus collided with each other," said Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy and a co-author on the paper. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system."

"If any life was present on either planet, the massive collision would have wiped out everything in a matter of minutes — the ultimate extinction event," said co-author Gregory Henry, an astronomer at Tennessee State University (TSU). "A massive disk of infrared-emitting dust circling the star provides silent testimony to this sad fate."

Zuckerman, Henry and Michael Muno, an astronomer at Caltech at the time of the research, were studying a star known as BD+20 307, which is surrounded by a shocking 1 million times more dust than is orbiting our sun. The star is located in the constellation Aries. The astronomers gathered X-ray data using the orbiting Chandra X-ray Observatory and brightness data from one of TSU's automated telescopes in southern Arizona, hoping to measure the age of the star.

"We expected to find that BD+20 307 was relatively young, a few hundred million years old at most, with the massive dust ring signaling the final stages in the formation of the star's planetary system," Muno said.

Those expectations were shown to be premature, however, when Carnegie Institution of Washington astronomer Alycia Weinberger announced in the May 20, 2008, issue of the Astrophysical Journal that BD+20 307 is actually a close binary star — two stars orbiting around their common center of mass.

"That discovery radically revised the interpretation of the data and transformed the star into a unique and intriguing system," said TSU astronomer Francis Fekel who, along with TSU's Michael Williamson, was asked to provide additional spectroscopic data from another TSU automated telescope in Arizona to assist in comprehending this exceptional binary system.

The new spectroscopic data confirmed that BD+20 307 is composed of two stars, both very similar in mass, temperature and size to our own sun. They orbit about their common center of mass every 3.42 days.

"The patterns of element abundances in the stars show that they are much older than a few hundred million years, as originally thought," Fekel said. "Instead, the binary system appears to have an age of several billion years, comparable to our solar system."

"The planetary collision in BD+20 307 was not observed directly but rather was inferred from the extraordinary quantity of dust particles that orbit the binary pair at about the same distance as Earth and Venus are from our sun," Henry said. "If this dust does indeed point to the presence of terrestrial planets, then this represents the first known example of planets of any mass in orbit around a close binary star."

Zuckerman and colleagues first reported in the journal Nature in July 2005 that BD+20 307, then still thought to be a single star, was surrounded by more warm orbiting dust than any other sun-like star known to astronomers. The dust is orbiting the binary system very closely, where Earth-like planets are most likely to be and where dust typically cannot survive long. Small dust particles get pushed away by stellar radiation, while larger pieces get reduced to dust in collisions within the disk and are then whisked away. Thus, the dust-forming collision near BD+20 307 must have taken place rather recently, probably within the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, the astronomers said.

"This poses two very interesting questions," Fekel said. "How do planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system, and could such a collision happen in our own solar system?"

"The stability of planetary orbits in our own solar system has been considered for nearly two decades by astronomer Jacques Laskar in France and, more recently, by Konstantin Batygin and Greg Laughlin in the U.S.A.," Henry noted. "Their computer models predict planetary motions into the distant future and they find a small probability for collisions of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime in the next billion years or more. The small probability of this happening may be related to the rarity of very dusty planetary systems like BD+20 307."

"There is no question, however," Zuckerman said, "that major collisions have occurred in our solar system's past. Many astronomers believe our moon was formed from the grazing collision of two planetary embryos — the young Earth and a body about the size of Mars — a crash that created tremendous debris, some of which condensed to form the moon and some of which went into orbit around the young sun. By contrast with the massive crash in the BD+20 307 system, the collision of an asteroid with Earth 65 million years ago, the most favored explanation for the final demise of the dinosaurs, was a mere pipsqueak."

In their 1932 novel "When Worlds Collide," science fiction writers Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer envisioned the destruction of Earth by a collision with a planet of a passing star. The 1951 classic movie based on the novel began a long line of adventure stories of space rocks apocalyptically plowing into Earth.

"But," Zuckerman noted, "there is no evidence near BD+20 307 of any such passing star."



TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; immanuelvelikovsky; velikovsky; worldsincollision
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1 posted on 09/23/2008 5:06:40 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: KevinDavis

Space Ping!


2 posted on 09/23/2008 5:11:42 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Mike Fieschko

“Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system.”

gulp (in honor of Oktoberfest)

Thanks! I’ll sleep so much better tonite knowing this. :-)


3 posted on 09/23/2008 5:12:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... This poster makes vast right wing turns on a Rockefeller dime.)
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To: Army Air Corps

damn, I sure hope we don’t collide with Venus anytime soon..... who’s steering this ship, anyway?


4 posted on 09/23/2008 5:13:06 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMAGATE: Iraqi Foreign Minister Says Obama Tried to Derail Agreement on Troop Withdrawals!!!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Velikovsky ping!


5 posted on 09/23/2008 5:16:32 PM PDT by februus
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To: Mike Fieschko
Wow, maybe you people should read a little on theories of Earth.
Try Worlds in Collision, Earth in Upheaval
Actually Emanuel Velakovsky wrote a series of three books on his theories on Earth. Many of his theories are now part of scientific fact. As an example the one large Continental land mass that has split to form the Continents of Asia, Europe and the Americas.
Unfortunately these books were written in the 50’s but you may be able to still get them
They are very interesting and give insight to the present theories of how and why?
6 posted on 09/23/2008 5:17:25 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Mike Fieschko

“This poses two very interesting questions,” Fekel said. “How do planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system”

No idea. Something to do with the binary star?

Also, older animation vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYmO4S_Dkk


7 posted on 09/23/2008 5:18:12 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Another catastrophe from the Bush foreign policy.


8 posted on 09/23/2008 5:19:16 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Doc91678
Thanks, I will search Amazon.

I'm going back to school for a MS in Geophysics so this stuff is very interesting to me.
9 posted on 09/23/2008 5:20:08 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
Thanks, I will search Amazon.

This one looks interesting. It's listed at Amazon. http://www.velikovskian.com/sagan.htm

I found the whole business a bottomless pit when I read V's books + criticisms in the early 70s. Sagan hadn't burst onto the scene at the time. Things may be a bit clearer 35 years later, not necessarily because of Sagan's efforts. Good luck.

"Billions and Billions"

10 posted on 09/23/2008 5:46:43 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Mike Fieschko

“UCLA, Tennessee State University and the California Institute of Technology’

How in the world did Tennessee State get in that mix? It just detracts from the credibility of the other two. Don’t flame, I’m from Tennessee and I know a bit about TSU


11 posted on 09/23/2008 6:01:00 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: caveat emptor

Bottomless pit is a good description. I was totally enamored with Velikovsky from ‘67 through ‘71. I went to see him at a conference at Lewis & Clark College in Portland back then. His books were thrilling to read and he was probably a genius. He could be correct in his reinterpretation of Egyptian history, but I no longer believe that his catastrophes happened in the way he posited in historic time, or that his theories offer much to explain human history. Too much detail work has been done by diligent geologists, tree ring and carbon 14 experts, geneticists and historical anthropologists since 1950 that confirms a more uniformitarian interpretation of history and geology.


12 posted on 09/23/2008 6:05:40 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

catastrophism and xplanet ping


13 posted on 09/23/2008 6:34:26 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Planets are mostly balls of molten rock. Its not obvious to me that the collision of two balls of molten rock make dust.


14 posted on 09/23/2008 6:36:19 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: Enchante
who’s steering this ship, anyway?

Well, if elected, Obama the Messiah will be. All that turning back the oceans and such.

15 posted on 09/23/2008 6:44:07 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

It sounds more like the asteriod belt between Mars and Jupiter. That’s considered to be wannabe planetoids that couldn’t form due to Jupiter’s enormous mass.


16 posted on 09/23/2008 7:10:02 PM PDT by xJones
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To: februus

I believe his third book was named ‘Ages in Chaos.”


17 posted on 09/23/2008 7:40:42 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I’m no expert in orbital physics. But, I thought it was generally regarded that planets orbiting around binary stars would likely get into trouble, sooner or later...

For one thing, it seems like it’d be a “natural” to build up oscillations in the system that could sling a planet a bit off course.


18 posted on 09/23/2008 7:58:12 PM PDT by Paul R. (Ok, I am ready to meet the devil. What are the details?)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Uhh.. that means that we are actually observing an event that occurred 300 years ago - 300 light-years away... This even took place ~260 years B.O. (Before Obamasiah)! Uhh.


19 posted on 09/23/2008 8:19:40 PM PDT by cqnc (Vote before midnight and here's what you'll receive...)
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To: Kevmo; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; ...
"It's as if Earth and Venus collided with each other," said Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy and a co-author on the paper. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system."
Thanks Kevmo!
 
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20 posted on 09/24/2008 6:16:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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