OK this is what I’ve never understood about this: Maybe I’m stupid, but isn’t any child born to a US citizen, even while overseas, is still born a US citizen?
What am I missing here?
His dad was Kenyan
“What am I missing here?”
His mother was too young to meet the age and residency requirements as they stood in 1961 for passing on her US citizenship to a child born abroad. His father was a Kenyan.
“OK this is what Ive never understood about this: Maybe Im stupid, but isnt any child born to a US citizen, even while overseas, is still born a US citizen?”
Depends. If the parents are in that country on military orders then yes. If the parents file the appropriate paperwork then yes. Only one parent has to be a US citizen I think.
One of my kids was born overseas. Had to file paperwork with the US Consulate and most importantly claim US citizenship for the child.
So was he born in Hawaii or was he born in Kenya? IMHO it doesn’t matter cause the checks have cleared for all the people that have been bought. In 6-12 months we freepers will be sent to education camps in North Dakota.
If it's true, at best he is a naturalized citizen and is not eligible for the presidency. At worst, he never became a naturalized citizen and is in the US illegally and is also not eligible to be a US Senator.
His mother was not old enough to give him citizenship according to the Constitution.
Say he was legit, somehow — because his teenage mother was american....do you think it matters that Obama has perpetuated fraud on the American people by posting a fraudulent document and claiming he was born in Hawaii?
The legal argument as to whether he may or may not have citizenship while being born in Kenya is actually academic. He’s already in too deep if it is proven he LIED to advance his career—to the ENTIRE Country. I wonder who all his accessories will be?
Do you think he can still be POTUS after perpetuating that level of lie?
It is not that simple.
What am I missing here?
You can be born a US citizen overseas, but you may not meet the requirement(s) of being a natural born US citizen according to the law. Anne Dunham did not meet the law requirement that was in effect in 1961 for her son Barack to be considered a 'natural born citizen' because she was still considered a minor. Dunham had to live 10 continuous years inside the United States when her baby was born, and 5 of those years had to be over the age of 21.
She had Barack at the age of 17 or 18. Therefore, Obama did not meet the test required by law and cannot be president. The law was not changed until 1986 and it was not retroactive.
Not a stupid question at all. A constitutional requirement to be president is being a natural-born citizen. That's a higher threshold than just "citizen." Natural-born means born on US soil. US military bases and zones overseas are also considered US soil. Parents can confer citizenship to a child born overseas, but not the natural-born part. That's a function of geography. So my understanding of it is, it wouldn't matter if both parents were US citizens. If he was born in Kenya, he would not be a natural born citizen. The age of the mother is only an issue if he were born in Hawaii, as the automatic US citizenship that comes with being born on US soil has exceptions that fall in the date range that Batack was born.
Since it's never really been tested in the Supreme Court, I'm sure that everyone (meaning democrats) will want to just dismiss all that as antiquated technicality.
My children are all US citizens, but none can run for president. They are not “natural born citizens”. They were born in foreign lands and then adopted, first in their foreign lands, and re-adopted again here in the US. So although they came here as the “children of US citizens”, they had to undergo naturalization procedures. Thus, they will never be eligible for the presidency.
NOT when the father is a foreigner and the mother is under 18, which unfortunately was the case.
If you’re going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
From this site: http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm
Oh, about 500 posts which previously explained it.
There is a distinct difference under the law between the citizenship status of a child born to two American citizen parents overseas, on the one hand, and a child born to one American citizen parent and one alien parent overseas, on the other hand. BO falls into the second category. According to the law in effect at the time of BO's birth, his mother at the time was not old enough for her child born abroad to qualify at birth as an American citizen.
I don’t think your stupid, just a product of public education...ill informed. The initials U.S. stand for the name of the government that the Founding Fathers from the thirteen united States of America established with the adoption of the Constitution in 1789. This government, named United States, aquired territory, and called these territories States. Shortly after 1908 these territories were grouped together into what is known as the United States of America. These United States of America includes Washington D.C., Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, Virgin Islands, and any oth territory of the United States. Hawaii and Alsaka were States of the United States until they were admitted into the Union, wherein they became one of the united States of America. You must be a u.S Citizen.