Skip to comments.Conservatives, Time to Adopt Saul Alinsky Tactics
Posted on 11/05/2008 1:59:20 PM PST by samsmom
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Conservatives who feel displaced, disenfranchised need to start organizing. This is a great piece. I think we should all read "Rules for Radicals" and see how well it would work for us!
I agree so much it was the subject of a rare vanity by me.
I have both of Alinsky’s books...brought em when I first saw Obama rising.
Junk yard dog politics is where we need to go but that takes cajones and Republicans are sorely lacking in that area.
Sounds more like an axiom. And like many an axiom, it's...well...axiomatic. Why does anybody think this guy's brilliant?
And the brilliance of the Obama selection is that he is now and forever *THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT*
*THE FIRST MARXIST PRESIDENT*
Yes, and you go right to the streets of Chicago, and ask the ‘hood’ where’s all that stuff you were promised?
Obama, The Various Reverends, they all got their nice houses. O got his sweet real estate deal. Where’s YOUR sweet real estate deal? How’s come only your saviors and your so-called leaders get to enrich themselves when you put them in power, and yet you are still living in run-down slums?
Michael Medved sure doesn’t agree. Right now he is slobbering all over the one talking about how we should be respectful and how moving his acceptance speech was. Sickening.
I can agree that "Rules for Radicals" is a good read to get into the minds of and learn the tactics of the radical socialist/progressives/democrats, however; it would be a big mistake to act like them and become the moonbats that they are.
We should act like them and take the low road.
We have taken the high road for far too long IT DOESN’T WORK!
I never listen to Medved. As soon as he comes on, the radio goes off.
Medved wants to give Obama a “sinclair”
We should employ George Patton tactics:
“I don’t want to hear any of you say, ‘We are holding our position,’ — I don’t want to hear that kind of BS!!!”
“I want to hear that you are advancing...advancing all the time!”
“I don’t want to pay for the same real estate twice!!”
Adopt? No. Expose? Yes.
It is still true that daylight is the best disinfectant.
From Rules for Radicals, Alinsky outlines his strategy in organizing, writing:
"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."
 Saul Alinsky, The Latter Rain
I will NEVER lower my moral Christian moral standards to believe or act on the idea that “the end justifies the means.” Would you?
Also might open more eyes - to what are the daily practiced tactics of the Left so that these 'naive Repubs' can finally figure out 'who' they are dealing with.
Even now; am amazed at how many do not get it!
Ping for later reading
No. You don’t fight communism by becoming a communist!
They are despicable.
Send that to Fox News! Have been pleading with them to be ‘fair’ and tell the truth. If it had not been for ‘Joe, the Plummer; even the ‘S’ word; would not been uttered.
Expose? They have been exposed and nobody cares, we can’t cry and say “Look how mean they are” “Look how they cheat”
It doesn’t work, the ACORN coverage didn’t have one negative effect on them.
Fight fire with fire
Have you ever spent some time on DU or Daily Kos? They're some of the most bitter and hateful people. These are the same people that use Alinsky tactics.
We have taken the high road for far too long IT DOESNT WORK!
So we should act like the radical/socialists, the very people we loathe? I don't buy it, not by a long shot.
Radical Conservatives. I like the term.
Absolutely spot on!
We must **especially** take control of education!!!!!
* Government schools can’t be fixed because they are NOT broken! They are doing the job for which they were created. They are turning kids into citizens of the state and providing jobs for socialists. We must work to CLOSE DOWN every government K-12 school in the nation.
* Conservatives must start scholarship foundations that will award vouchers to students attending **CONSERVATIVE** private schools. These foundations could also award grants to CONSERVATIVE teachers will to open one room school houses and home school cooperatives. The foundations could certify the teachers, approve the curriculum, and test the students.
* Conservatives must start private sports leagues to break the monopoly of government schools on sports. It is the sports teams that attract so many of our conservative children to the government indoctrination camps.
* Re: Colleges and universities: Conservatives should pool their money so that they have group power to demand that donations to colleges and universities result in **CONSERVATIVE** curriculum and appointment of conservative professors.
* Conservatives should start summer camps that teach conservative leadership skills.
Please listen this this interview by the KGB spy. Marxism is our nation’s **most** serious threat. Schools are their biggest weapon.
Hopefully it is not too late. Likely it is too late.
Marking for later read.
I’ve been thinking, we need to know and understand his tactics and why they worked.
You are correct. The ends do not justify the means.
This is a golden opportunity for conservatism. With the libs getting at least a 2 year freehand to do what they will the chances of them really screwing things up a great. When all the freeloaders and Utopian’s realize they have been lied to, a smart conservative could rise up and make a wide sweeping change. Call it a cultural revolution that guides collective mindsets to individualist. People may start to take care of themselves when the government that promises everything fails to give them anything.
Now, we only need to find a leader that can pull that off.
I wouldn't be suprised if you found them on the "New Releases" stack at Barnes & Nobel.
Yeah, I don’t see “Alinsky-tactics” as being a model for moral/conservative behavior. It’s all based on deception (lies). Not something we should embrace.
To quote from "The Untouchables": "They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the *Chicago* way!"
Before we doing any of this, it will help for the GOP to first get back to conservative principles. President-elect Obama might be the high-colonic the GOP needs to purge itself of Bushonomics and the neo-cons.
I agree, not wanting to change tactics is like saying we should stand in line and accept fire like the British Army did or we should still use bayonet charges because it’s more “manly”. Why should we still be using the equivalent of single shot rifles against machine guns? Tactics are like fire - it’s the use and intent that defines whether it’s a force for good or ill.
The hundreds of millions of dollars Obama raised probably had more to do with his victory than anything Alinsky thought up. If Obama had to rely on Alinsky’s strategies, he wouldn’t have gotten very far.
I think the point is that there are some good lessons to learn from his books. Basic tactics and organiztional principles in order make things happen for your side. No one is suggesting they become a marxists.
The days of stumbling on ‘Joe the Plumber’ to get a boost must be put in the rear view.
This becomes a hot topic for PoliSci 101 and a chapter in future histories of the Obammunist movement in the 2008 election.
We would have gotten the LA Times tape if an agry mob stormed the LA Times and smashed furniture.
It very well may have changed the election.
Yeah, I think it's time to listen to music. He's the only one on in that time slot in the Chicago market so I usually listen, but I think I've had it with him.
For starters and before anybody right of center could do anything else meaningful in this country, we have to break the power of the NEA and govt. schools. Nobody could hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.
I agree. It’s like we’ve been showing up for gun fights unarmed, it’s time to fight back on the their level.
Yes! I am all for this. I have been saying forever we need to employ their tactics against them.
First off, start calling Hussein by his middle name just as Pres Bush was called dubya. Never refer to Hussein as anything but his middle name, Hussein. Option two is call him Hussein II. Muslims are dancing in the streets as middle east money just bought the US presidency for a clown without a clue. Lots of stupid people in the country but not as many as in Mexicomaybe. Middle east terrorists have successfully duped americans into electing their choice. They have divided the populace, manipulated the press, cultivated the ignorance of voters to their favor and put their chosen Hussein in office again.
No. Let’s dump you, so we can calmly plot a come back without a lot of backstabbing.
What’s wrong with mobilizing the masses? We did that once as conservatives and it worked. However, the GOP will not be able to do it again, conservatism will be left to another party.
Obama ran like General Petraus (sp?) fights. He took over territory, ran down the enemy and stayed in the territory doing community projects and reaching out to the citizens. Won the hearts and minds, very grassroots.
Im with you 100% - let us start to develop our ideas and principles on how we can apply his rules and principles. These work period - it will take time to infiltrate but we must move forward - incrementalism is the key - lets not focus on change overnight but over the next decade.
I did read your post. Alternatives to government schools are fine, I went to Catholic schools K-12 and got a great education.
My youngest son got a scholarship from a college that's pretty liberal (most are). He's learning first hand of how to deal with these folks and it's cementing his conservative identity. For the most part, political affiliation is not an issue, but he does see the liberals acting badly and has related those incidences to me.
Alinsky's tactics utilize lies and deceit and I am so disgusted from dealing with moonbats that are disciples of that man. Because of his "training" that he gave to some inner city ministers back in 1964 here in Rochester, we've had two generations of staged "victimhood" protests and those neighborhoods where the ministers are located have gotten worse, not better.
We reap what we sow and I for one am totally opposed to adopting Alinsky's tactics, the man was a Marxist for gosh sakes!
I think I will volunteer as a double agent with ACORN next time around.