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Conservatives, Time to Adopt Saul Alinsky Tactics
Discoverthenetworks.org ^ | April 2008 | John Perazzo

Posted on 11/05/2008 1:59:20 PM PST by samsmom

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Alinsky taught that the organizer's first task was to make people feel that they were wise enough to diagnose their own problems, find their own solutions, and determine their own destinies... "If the common man had a chance to feel that he could direct his own efforts … that to a certain extent there was a destiny that he could do something about, that there was a dream that he could keep fighting for, then life would be wonderful living."[38] ...

Conservatives who feel displaced, disenfranchised need to start organizing. This is a great piece. I think we should all read "Rules for Radicals" and see how well it would work for us!

1 posted on 11/05/2008 1:59:20 PM PST by samsmom
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To: samsmom

I agree.

I agree so much it was the subject of a rare vanity by me.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107351/posts


2 posted on 11/05/2008 2:04:16 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: samsmom

I have both of Alinsky’s books...brought em when I first saw Obama rising.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 2:04:16 PM PST by Def Conservative (IT'S THE HISPANICS, STUPID!)
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To: samsmom

Junk yard dog politics is where we need to go but that takes cajones and Republicans are sorely lacking in that area.


4 posted on 11/05/2008 2:04:44 PM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: samsmom
His motto was, "The most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results."

Sounds more like an axiom. And like many an axiom, it's...well...axiomatic. Why does anybody think this guy's brilliant?

5 posted on 11/05/2008 2:05:20 PM PST by gundog (We shall overcome.)
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To: samsmom

And the brilliance of the Obama selection is that he is now and forever *THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT*

NOT

*THE FIRST MARXIST PRESIDENT*


6 posted on 11/05/2008 2:05:27 PM PST by sodpoodle (Man studies evolution to understand His creation.)
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To: All

Yes, and you go right to the streets of Chicago, and ask the ‘hood’ where’s all that stuff you were promised?

Obama, The Various Reverends, they all got their nice houses. O got his sweet real estate deal. Where’s YOUR sweet real estate deal? How’s come only your saviors and your so-called leaders get to enrich themselves when you put them in power, and yet you are still living in run-down slums?


7 posted on 11/05/2008 2:05:49 PM PST by Madeleine Ward (.)
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To: samsmom
In other words, we should use derivative and immoral tactics that our enemies already know very well and which they are far more experienced than us in using.
8 posted on 11/05/2008 2:05:53 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: samsmom
I think we should all read "Rules for Radicals" and see how well it would work for us! I can agree that "Rules for Radicals" is a good read to get into the minds of and learn the tactics of the racial socialist/progressives/democrats, however; it would be a big mistake to act like them and become the moonbats that they are.
9 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:06 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: samsmom

Michael Medved sure doesn’t agree. Right now he is slobbering all over the one talking about how we should be respectful and how moving his acceptance speech was. Sickening.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:21 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: samsmom
I think we should all read "Rules for Radicals" and see how well it would work for us!

I can agree that "Rules for Radicals" is a good read to get into the minds of and learn the tactics of the radical socialist/progressives/democrats, however; it would be a big mistake to act like them and become the moonbats that they are.

11 posted on 11/05/2008 2:08:18 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: rochester_veteran

We should act like them and take the low road.

We have taken the high road for far too long IT DOESN’T WORK!


12 posted on 11/05/2008 2:08:58 PM PST by Def Conservative (IT'S THE HISPANICS, STUPID!)
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To: samsmom
First dump and marginalize the moderates and RINOs and DFAPP’s
13 posted on 11/05/2008 2:10:44 PM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: jonathonandjennifer

I never listen to Medved. As soon as he comes on, the radio goes off.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 2:11:09 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: jonathonandjennifer

Medved wants to give Obama a “sinclair”


15 posted on 11/05/2008 2:11:32 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: wideawake

We should employ George Patton tactics:

“I don’t want to hear any of you say, ‘We are holding our position,’ — I don’t want to hear that kind of BS!!!”

“I want to hear that you are advancing...advancing all the time!”

“I don’t want to pay for the same real estate twice!!”


16 posted on 11/05/2008 2:11:44 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: Def Conservative

Adopt? No. Expose? Yes.

It is still true that daylight is the best disinfectant.


17 posted on 11/05/2008 2:11:47 PM PST by Brookhaven (.)
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To: samsmom
No way. His tactics are based in lies, distortions and mass hypnosis. I don't want to win that way. Unless you mean that The Messiah's policies will result in TRUE desperation and hopelessness. Then it wouldn't be lying. If so, then Yes We Can "Change" America back to what it is supposed to be!

From Rules for Radicals, Alinsky outlines his strategy in organizing, writing:

"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."[2]

[2] Saul Alinsky, The Latter Rain
http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/alinski.htm

18 posted on 11/05/2008 2:12:31 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: samsmom

I will NEVER lower my moral Christian moral standards to believe or act on the idea that “the end justifies the means.” Would you?


19 posted on 11/05/2008 2:12:55 PM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: samsmom
Thought the same - a long time ago. Remember David Horowitz trying to reach Bush and give him tips on the art of 'war' here. Guess, he did not get through. . .There are things to learn here; we don't have to be dishonest as per the 'Left' MUST be; but yes, our swords should be sharpened on the same stone.

Also might open more eyes - to what are the daily practiced tactics of the Left so that these 'naive Repubs' can finally figure out 'who' they are dealing with.

Even now; am amazed at how many do not get it!

20 posted on 11/05/2008 2:13:18 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! T hank You ~ U..S.A. Military~)
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To: wideawake

Ping for later reading


21 posted on 11/05/2008 2:13:47 PM PST by djl_sa (A happy republican now that Sarah is in the race!)
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To: samsmom

No. You don’t fight communism by becoming a communist!

They are despicable.


22 posted on 11/05/2008 2:15:07 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sodpoodle

Send that to Fox News! Have been pleading with them to be ‘fair’ and tell the truth. If it had not been for ‘Joe, the Plummer; even the ‘S’ word; would not been uttered.


23 posted on 11/05/2008 2:15:14 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! T hank You ~ U..S.A. Military~)
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To: Brookhaven

Expose? They have been exposed and nobody cares, we can’t cry and say “Look how mean they are” “Look how they cheat”

It doesn’t work, the ACORN coverage didn’t have one negative effect on them.

Fight fire with fire


24 posted on 11/05/2008 2:17:41 PM PST by Def Conservative (IT'S THE HISPANICS, STUPID!)
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To: Def Conservative
We should act like them and take the low road.

Have you ever spent some time on DU or Daily Kos? They're some of the most bitter and hateful people. These are the same people that use Alinsky tactics.

We have taken the high road for far too long IT DOESN’T WORK!

So we should act like the radical/socialists, the very people we loathe? I don't buy it, not by a long shot.

25 posted on 11/05/2008 2:18:14 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: samsmom

Radical Conservatives. I like the term.


26 posted on 11/05/2008 2:18:33 PM PST by Clock King (Democracy has failed completely.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Absolutely spot on!

We must **especially** take control of education!!!!!

* Government schools can’t be fixed because they are NOT broken! They are doing the job for which they were created. They are turning kids into citizens of the state and providing jobs for socialists. We must work to CLOSE DOWN every government K-12 school in the nation.

* Conservatives must start scholarship foundations that will award vouchers to students attending **CONSERVATIVE** private schools. These foundations could also award grants to CONSERVATIVE teachers will to open one room school houses and home school cooperatives. The foundations could certify the teachers, approve the curriculum, and test the students.

* Conservatives must start private sports leagues to break the monopoly of government schools on sports. It is the sports teams that attract so many of our conservative children to the government indoctrination camps.

* Re: Colleges and universities: Conservatives should pool their money so that they have group power to demand that donations to colleges and universities result in **CONSERVATIVE** curriculum and appointment of conservative professors.

* Conservatives should start summer camps that teach conservative leadership skills.

Please listen this this interview by the KGB spy. Marxism is our nation’s **most** serious threat. Schools are their biggest weapon.

http://www.bafweb.com/2007/09/26/yuri-bezmenov-les-idiots-utiles-du-socialisme/

Hopefully it is not too late. Likely it is too late.


27 posted on 11/05/2008 2:19:46 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: samsmom

Marking for later read.

I’ve been thinking, we need to know and understand his tactics and why they worked.


28 posted on 11/05/2008 2:20:56 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: SumProVita

You are correct. The ends do not justify the means.

This is a golden opportunity for conservatism. With the libs getting at least a 2 year freehand to do what they will the chances of them really screwing things up a great. When all the freeloaders and Utopian’s realize they have been lied to, a smart conservative could rise up and make a wide sweeping change. Call it a cultural revolution that guides collective mindsets to individualist. People may start to take care of themselves when the government that promises everything fails to give them anything.

Now, we only need to find a leader that can pull that off.


29 posted on 11/05/2008 2:20:58 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: rochester_veteran
Please read post #27. It is possible to apply Alinsky principles in a moral manner.
30 posted on 11/05/2008 2:21:22 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Def Conservative
>>>I have both of Alinsky’s books.....<<<

I wouldn't be suprised if you found them on the "New Releases" stack at Barnes & Nobel.

grin!

31 posted on 11/05/2008 2:21:36 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: SumProVita

Yeah, I don’t see “Alinsky-tactics” as being a model for moral/conservative behavior. It’s all based on deception (lies). Not something we should embrace.


32 posted on 11/05/2008 2:22:45 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Def Conservative
We have taken the high road for far too long IT DOESN’T WORK!

Exactly.

To quote from "The Untouchables": "They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the *Chicago* way!"

33 posted on 11/05/2008 2:23:20 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: samsmom
Conservatives who feel displaced, disenfranchised need to start organizing. This is a great piece. I think we should all read "Rules for Radicals" and see how well it would work for us!

Before we doing any of this, it will help for the GOP to first get back to conservative principles. President-elect Obama might be the high-colonic the GOP needs to purge itself of Bushonomics and the neo-cons.

34 posted on 11/05/2008 2:23:29 PM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: samsmom

Jay Severin on Radio Now


35 posted on 11/05/2008 2:25:27 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: Def Conservative

I agree, not wanting to change tactics is like saying we should stand in line and accept fire like the British Army did or we should still use bayonet charges because it’s more “manly”. Why should we still be using the equivalent of single shot rifles against machine guns? Tactics are like fire - it’s the use and intent that defines whether it’s a force for good or ill.


36 posted on 11/05/2008 2:25:29 PM PST by JMS
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To: samsmom

The hundreds of millions of dollars Obama raised probably had more to do with his victory than anything Alinsky thought up. If Obama had to rely on Alinsky’s strategies, he wouldn’t have gotten very far.


37 posted on 11/05/2008 2:26:25 PM PST by x
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To: Clock King

I think the point is that there are some good lessons to learn from his books. Basic tactics and organiztional principles in order make things happen for your side. No one is suggesting they become a marxists.

The days of stumbling on ‘Joe the Plumber’ to get a boost must be put in the rear view.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 2:26:46 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: samsmom

This becomes a hot topic for PoliSci 101 and a chapter in future histories of the Obammunist movement in the 2008 election.

39 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:20 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: SumProVita

We would have gotten the LA Times tape if an agry mob stormed the LA Times and smashed furniture.

It very well may have changed the election.


40 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: SMCC1
I never listen to Medved. As soon as he comes on, the radio goes off.

Yeah, I think it's time to listen to music. He's the only one on in that time slot in the Chicago market so I usually listen, but I think I've had it with him.

41 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:38 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: samsmom

For starters and before anybody right of center could do anything else meaningful in this country, we have to break the power of the NEA and govt. schools. Nobody could hope to prevail in any sort of a culture war while sending their children off to the enemy for indoctrination.


42 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:42 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: samsmom

I agree. It’s like we’ve been showing up for gun fights unarmed, it’s time to fight back on the their level.


43 posted on 11/05/2008 2:28:37 PM PST by black_diamond
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To: samsmom

Yes! I am all for this. I have been saying forever we need to employ their tactics against them.


44 posted on 11/05/2008 2:30:55 PM PST by riri
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To: samsmom

First off, start calling Hussein by his middle name just as Pres Bush was called dubya. Never refer to Hussein as anything but his middle name, Hussein. Option two is call him Hussein II. Muslims are dancing in the streets as middle east money just bought the US presidency for a clown without a clue. Lots of stupid people in the country but not as many as in Mexico—maybe. Middle east terrorists have successfully duped americans into electing their choice. They have divided the populace, manipulated the press, cultivated the ignorance of voters to their favor and put their chosen Hussein in office again.


45 posted on 11/05/2008 2:31:45 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: xcamel

No. Let’s dump you, so we can calmly plot a come back without a lot of backstabbing.


46 posted on 11/05/2008 2:32:30 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: samsmom

I agree.

What’s wrong with mobilizing the masses? We did that once as conservatives and it worked. However, the GOP will not be able to do it again, conservatism will be left to another party.

Obama ran like General Petraus (sp?) fights. He took over territory, ran down the enemy and stayed in the territory doing community projects and reaching out to the citizens. Won the hearts and minds, very grassroots.


47 posted on 11/05/2008 2:34:52 PM PST by gotribe (obama just sucks - your wealth away)
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To: samsmom

Im with you 100% - let us start to develop our ideas and principles on how we can apply his rules and principles. These work period - it will take time to infiltrate but we must move forward - incrementalism is the key - lets not focus on change overnight but over the next decade.


48 posted on 11/05/2008 2:35:02 PM PST by sasafras (Dont be fooled - the DIVERSITY MANTRA - is the left's tool to incite hate, racism and division)
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To: wintertime
Please read post #27. It is possible to apply Alinsky principles in a moral manner.

I did read your post. Alternatives to government schools are fine, I went to Catholic schools K-12 and got a great education.

My youngest son got a scholarship from a college that's pretty liberal (most are). He's learning first hand of how to deal with these folks and it's cementing his conservative identity. For the most part, political affiliation is not an issue, but he does see the liberals acting badly and has related those incidences to me.

Alinsky's tactics utilize lies and deceit and I am so disgusted from dealing with moonbats that are disciples of that man. Because of his "training" that he gave to some inner city ministers back in 1964 here in Rochester, we've had two generations of staged "victimhood" protests and those neighborhoods where the ministers are located have gotten worse, not better.

We reap what we sow and I for one am totally opposed to adopting Alinsky's tactics, the man was a Marxist for gosh sakes!

49 posted on 11/05/2008 2:36:09 PM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: samsmom

I think I will volunteer as a double agent with ACORN next time around.


50 posted on 11/05/2008 2:36:13 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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