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Recommended Gun List for Freepers (Vanity)
11/09/2008 | SoftwareEngineer

Posted on 11/09/2008 8:26:46 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer

I would like to request that fellow Freepers help us non knowledgeable gun owners in recommending guns that we can buy before gun laws get changed. Many of us have only a basic semi automatic hand gun and have never given much thought to anything else.

However, before gun laws change I would like to complete my gun collection and even buy guns that I can leave to my children.

Maybe we can organize the recommendations as follows:



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1 posted on 11/09/2008 8:26:49 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

bfl


2 posted on 11/09/2008 8:30:49 PM PST by nodumbblonde (Just doing the jobs my cat won't.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

What about us that are deeply entrenched in Liberal bastions?


3 posted on 11/09/2008 8:33:46 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Joe Brower

ping


4 posted on 11/09/2008 8:34:18 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

With all The Obamafuhrer has to do, I don’t think he’ll want to get in to a second amendment quagmire, it would stir the conservative base too much. And, it would take too long. I do think, however, he’ll just quietly put regulations on the manufacture, import, and sale of ammo of all kinds. Watch for that, and stock up on ammo. And keep your powder dry.


5 posted on 11/09/2008 8:34:52 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Thanks for posting, this should be very helpful. Don’t forget to BLOAT...


6 posted on 11/09/2008 8:35:18 PM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

will the NRA allow this?


7 posted on 11/09/2008 8:35:19 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
I personally just purchased, a P350 12 ga pump shotgun and the Cougar 8000f, both made by Stoeger (Bonnelli, Beretta), and are very dependable as well as affordable.

Both have received excellent reviews and come highly recommended.

8 posted on 11/09/2008 8:35:34 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: wastedyears

I don’t have any clue about other states. However, here is Texas, we can get good choices in buying guns. We have good dealers and good gun shows. Once I have a good list, I am sure I will be able to get them within a month or two.


9 posted on 11/09/2008 8:35:46 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I’d like a recommendation for 2 and 6. Please private reply.


10 posted on 11/09/2008 8:35:52 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (RINO Hunting)
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To: television is just wrong; FrdmLvr

I have no idea what Mr. Obama’s administration will or will not do. However, I want to make sure, I have done all I can. Legally.


11 posted on 11/09/2008 8:37:49 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Thank you for that. Where did you read these reviews? A lot of the sites on the internet seem very unreliable when it comes to gun tests etc. It almost seems that they are fake review sites put up by the gun manufacturers or dealers.

I am not experienced enough to know which review sites are the genuine ones and which ones are not.


12 posted on 11/09/2008 8:39:55 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: FrdmLvr

Greetings FrdmLvr, Did that last week and the ammo guy was swamped. Phones ringing, customers everywhere. Hey if Nobama makes it tough to get ammo, what good is an empty gun, right? Might as well carry a rock. From my cold dead hands...


13 posted on 11/09/2008 8:40:46 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Wow ya should have been here earlier I just sold all of mine ......


14 posted on 11/09/2008 8:41:02 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

At this point, anything that requires a magazine is probably too expensive. For handguns, I recommend a revolver and plenty of speedloaders. .38 is the minimum caliber, you want the most powerful cartridge you can fire accurately. I’m partial to Smith and Wesson, but some people still have grudges.

Shotguns: police like Remington 870s, the Marines prefer Mossberg 500 series. Both are good, but I’ve got a Mossberg.

And the SKS is the way to go for rifles. Cheap, reliable, and no magazines to get lost or damaged.

That’s what I’ve got, and what I recommend. Whatever you’ve got, PRACTICE.


15 posted on 11/09/2008 8:41:52 PM PST by Mountain Troll
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To: SoftwareEngineer

You can’t beat a Remington 870 pump shotgun. Also—don’t underestimate the value of a good lever action rifle.


16 posted on 11/09/2008 8:43:46 PM PST by RandyGH (Democrats--So far left they've left America)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

What do you want these for? Self-defense, target shooting, hunting? For example, a “high-end” target pistol might be a Smith&Wesson Model 41 .22, but you wouldn’t purchase that for self-defense. Knowing your intended use would make it easier for folks to give meaningful suggestions.


17 posted on 11/09/2008 8:46:50 PM PST by jrp
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To: nodumbblonde

mark for later


18 posted on 11/09/2008 8:47:55 PM PST by UB355 ( Slower traffic keep right)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Not sure what you mean by “high end” necessarily, unless you just mean more expensive.

My personal picks are:

For the home - Winchester Model 1300 Defender 12 GA 2 3/4 / 3”. It’s a pump with an 18” barrel. I use 4shot ammo which tends to have a spread of about 8” at 20 feet with this setup. It was a gift but these are quite inexpensive and require little to no maintenance.

For the car - Full size Bersa Thunder 9mm semi-auto with hammer decock/safety combo easily accessible with the thumb. Can initiate firing with double action, after which it’s single, or chamber with the slide for starting single action. Ran me about $350 at Academy. I use regular Winchester hollowpoints.

I’m still looking for a good CHL semiauto in 9mm that doesn’t cost a fortune. Small frame guy needs a small frame gun.


19 posted on 11/09/2008 8:48:01 PM PST by TheZMan (Admin Moderator, "No. We dumped it because it was stupid.")
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I think it’s prudent to stock up on guns, and thank you for your list. Because that day will come when he bans guns. I just wanted to add my 2 cents that, with the cheating, slimey, calculating modus operendi favored by the Obamafurher, don’t be surprized if he does an end-run around the Constitution and bans ammo.


20 posted on 11/09/2008 8:48:05 PM PST by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
For a basic auto pistol you cannot beat the Ruger standard or target .22 For a high end I would go with a Sig Sauer P226. If you want a bigger caliber you could get a Springfield Armory or Kimber .45. I personally prefer one of the Colts made before around 1990.

For a basic revolver, a four or six inch barrel S&W K frame in .357 magnum. You could shoot .38 special in them too. For a high end revolver one of the Smith $ Wesson model 29 variants. I think 6 inches is about right for it.

For a basic shotgun, I would go for a Remington 870 pump or an 1187 auto. For a high end shotgun there is nothing wrong with any Browning over under be it superposed, Citori or one of the newer models. All of the shotguns should have interchageable chokes.

You forgot one of the most useful guns there is, the .22 rifle. The basic Ruger 1022 is not the best .22 rifle but it is perfect for a lot of uses and has so many accessories such a high capacity mags that it is almost a necessity.

I also think everyone should have a couple of high power European air rifles in 177 caliber. If it is really powerful it could be in 5mm or .22 . What ever you get stock up on ammo and accessories such as scopes spare mags etc.

21 posted on 11/09/2008 8:50:13 PM PST by yarddog
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I recommend an any variant of the AK-47, they are relatively cheap and extremely durable (avoid the Egyptian ones, they’re absolute crap). They’ll fire even if they’re full of gunk and grit, whereas the M-16 family starts malfuntioning the second it even starts to get a little bit dirty (sorry guys, but it’s true). Get at least a thousand rounds of ammo. Seems like a lot, but it goes quickly. As for pistols, I’d get a full-size 9mm, the Taurus knock-off of the Beretta is very affordable. (If you’re a M-16 lover, please don’t flame me for telling the truth, I’ll only spread it more if you do. Nice on the range, LOUSY for combat conditions)


22 posted on 11/09/2008 8:50:33 PM PST by thatdewd (All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
There are a lot of forums that readily available. Just search the particular make and model you are interested in.

The forums seem to be on the up and up but here at FR is probably the best if you're concerned with credibility.

The posters that I have conversed with here seem to back up the opinions on Stoeger. Very affordable and very, very nice.

23 posted on 11/09/2008 8:53:13 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: SoftwareEngineer

“# 1. Semi Automatic (Basic)
# 2. Semi Automatic (High End)
# 3. Revolver (Basic)
# 4. Revolver (High End)
# 5. Shot Gun (Basic)
# 6. Shot Gun (High End)
# 7. Others
# 8. Recommended Accessories”

1. A S&W 915 or a used Glock 19 Beretta 92
2. A Colt .45, there are host of makers, all top quality
3. A S&W model 19 .357 or a Ruger Sp101 also in .357 hard to go wrong on the low end of the scale
4. A colt Detective model, it’s a snub nosed hammerless revolver and pricey
5. A Mossberg model 500
6. A Winchester model 1300 or a High Standard model 10b

7. If one is concerned about future bannings look into the AK-47 variants, or the Mini 14 or AR-15

8. I would look to spend money on ammunition for whatever firearm you choose to buy, consider 1,000 rounds a bare minimum, and more if you can afford it would be better.

Magazines that hold more then 10 rds will be a hot commodity and impossible to find, most firearms also have parts kits available for them, I’d recommend purchasing one or two.

And finally, if one is going to buy any firearm, find some good instructors, the local firing range typically runs classes for obtaining a concealed carry permit, I’d take the class whether you wanted a CCW or not, or the NRA also has firearms safety course as well as the local State Wildlife Commission.

At the end of the day though, more then likely they will gather dust in some gun cabinet, but it would be better to have some competence in using a firearm then to just purchase one just to purchase one..


24 posted on 11/09/2008 8:53:40 PM PST by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

This from a non-hunter, take a look at the Mossberg 500 Persuader.

It has a short barrel, and unlike the Remington and probably most others, the safety is in the natural place to quickly slide it to OFF.

For hunters who are used to the Remington and others that have the safety by the trigger guard it probably IS NOT in the natural place, and could cost that fraction of a second. For me, the non-hunter, it’s perfect and factored big on chosing it.

The release for the slide is also in a very natural place.

I keep a shell in the chamber so that I am ready to go, and don’t have to betray my position with the noisy chambering sound.


25 posted on 11/09/2008 8:54:11 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Doesn't matter what type weapon you store unless you know how to use it.

I won't mention the types of weapons I have but I know how to each and every one of them.

26 posted on 11/09/2008 8:55:04 PM PST by jerry639 (Obama=false hope for his delusional followers.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Mossberg 500 12Ga pump shotgun with Tactical Stock, barrel stabilizer with rail and mounted flashlight, holographic sights. Love it!


27 posted on 11/09/2008 8:55:09 PM PST by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: TheZMan

I have this also:

For the home - Winchester Model 1300 Defender 12 GA 2 3/4 / 3”. It’s a pump with an 18” barrel. I use 4shot ammo which tends to have a spread of about 8” at 20 feet with this setup. It was a gift but these are quite inexpensive and require little to no maintenance.

We have hunting rifles and

Beretta PX4 Storm Semi-auto 45 acp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Px4_Storm


28 posted on 11/09/2008 8:55:23 PM PST by TexMom7
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To: TexMom7

O.o purdy. 45 is just a tad heavy for me to be accurate with, and 38 was too light to be convincing.


29 posted on 11/09/2008 9:01:33 PM PST by TheZMan (Admin Moderator, "No. We dumped it because it was stupid.")
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To: Squantos

Everybody is in panic mode now....sheesh.


30 posted on 11/09/2008 9:03:39 PM PST by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: Squantos
People! They just don't change. They're not "in trouble" until they're "in trouble". They should have been armed to the teeth back after 911. That's what most of us did. Even in the run up to this election, most of the better EBR producers were having trouble keeping up with production. Now, it's insane. They're flying off of shelves as fast as people can buy them up. But now everybody who isn't already "suitably armed" thinks they need to be. What for? If they were good with being unarmed (or under armed) up until now, what's the difference? What's the big deal? :-)

I tell you the truth though...people should ask themselves something before they purchase the weapons. They should decide NOW just how much trouble they're willing to go through to keep them. If there's a round-up, I just don't think there are that many out there that are going to give the local SRT a "run for its money" so to speak. So, if the nutless and gutless masses all rush out to purchase weaponry, what's the sense if they're just going to hand them over when "pressed"?

We inventoried ammo this evening. :-) My helper "petered" out before we were completely done, so we'll finish later.

OH...chk your SMTP addy bro so you don't think some psycho popped out of the ether at you. :-)
31 posted on 11/09/2008 9:04:14 PM PST by mvruckman
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To: FrdmLvr

Question: What is the typical shelf life for ammunition?


32 posted on 11/09/2008 9:05:15 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Assume that only semi-automatic firearms which can accept large-capacity magazines, and semi-automatic shotguns will be banned first.

Therefore, buy rifles such as AR-15s, AR-10s, Kalashnikovs and Saigas first. Buy pistols with large capacities. Buy lots of mags and ammo too.

It won't be long before Obama and Biden resurrect the "assault weapon" ban, and then the prices will skyrocket for "pre-ban" guns. Depending on how they write the law, it may be impossible to buy or own them then.

Buy now or never. Executive orders are coming soon. 72 days and counting. You can always get the other types of firearms later.

33 posted on 11/09/2008 9:06:15 PM PST by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: TheZMan
I’m still looking for a good CHL semiauto in 9mm that doesn’t cost a fortune. Small frame guy needs a small frame gun.

I recommend the Keltec 9MM; small frame. You can buy a kit to convert it to .40 cal.

Only jams I ever had with it were "nosedive" type, and replacing the clip fixed that.

34 posted on 11/09/2008 9:07:02 PM PST by Marauder (I never thought America would elect a socialist president.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

What? No pictures?


35 posted on 11/09/2008 9:09:35 PM PST by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: Marauder

Thanks, you’re not the first to mention Keltec. Finding one I can put my hands on where I live is another story.


36 posted on 11/09/2008 9:11:47 PM PST by TheZMan (Admin Moderator, "No. We dumped it because it was stupid.")
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Bump for pay day


37 posted on 11/09/2008 9:12:30 PM PST by NorseWood
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To: SoftwareEngineer

bump for later


38 posted on 11/09/2008 9:15:14 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Bump for later. And, Thanks!


39 posted on 11/09/2008 9:15:48 PM PST by MMinOH
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Recommend Ruger, Smith and Wesson, or Taurus brand .357 mag revolver and it can shoot lower cost .38 cal bullets. Accompany it with a lever action Marlin carbine that also shoots .357 mag bullets (also can shoot .38 cal bullets). Both weapons are simple to load and shoot. No need to mess with detachable magazines.


40 posted on 11/09/2008 9:16:05 PM PST by Fee
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Minimum 1000 rd of ammo for each, or they are only clubs and bricks.


41 posted on 11/09/2008 9:16:16 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: The Duke

If ammo is stored in cool dry place, preferrably in an army .50 cal. ammo can, it will last a life time with no trouble. I was recently shooting some 7.65 Mauser ammo made in the early 1930’s in Belgium and it is still sure fire.


42 posted on 11/09/2008 9:20:14 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

I guess GMTA. While I don’t know how bad the economy may get under Obomber, I was going to recommend a quality pump or spring piston .177 rifle or pistol. They’re certainly cheap to operate, relatively silent, and extremely useful in supplementing the diet with squirrel, rabbit, groundhogs and fowl. If the utilities and sanitation services shut down they can also be quite handy for pest/rodent control.


43 posted on 11/09/2008 9:20:27 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: wastedyears

grenades


44 posted on 11/09/2008 9:24:04 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: The Duke
Question: What is the typical shelf life for ammunition?

Old ammo that has been kept clean and dry should be good longer than you'll live. More recently, there have been changes in primer formulations to reduce lead. The old lead styphnate primers have a very long life if kept clean and free of oil. Newer formulation (DDNP) is susceptible to degradation by moisture. Shelf life of commercial "lead free" ammunition is about 5 years according to Fiocchi (an ammo manufacturer).

There has also been a move to go "lead free" with the ammunition. A tin/tungsten formulation has been touted. The problem is the tungsten make the bullet very abrasive and results in rapidly worn out barrels. Most barrels will last 20,000 rounds with good lead or copper/lead bullets.

45 posted on 11/09/2008 9:26:48 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: SoftwareEngineer

2, 4, 6, Check, Check, Check.


46 posted on 11/09/2008 9:27:30 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

The utimate assault rifle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3Hg7Zu-eA


47 posted on 11/09/2008 9:28:30 PM PST by Swiss
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To: hiredhand
Everybody is in panic mode now....sheesh.

I have a friend who is an avid hunter. He tells me that it's getting more and more expensive to buy ammo. Plus he ordered a gun somewhere and it's still on backorder. People are stocking up.

And he read somewhere that BO would love to increase tax on ammo so high that buying ammo will be unaffordable. We will have to watch the sneak attacks from legislature.

48 posted on 11/09/2008 9:29:09 PM PST by CaraM (Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
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To: television is just wrong

They’ll be too busy raising money to help “pro-gun” demorats to stop it.


49 posted on 11/09/2008 9:29:39 PM PST by Impy (When he takes the oath of office will they say his middle name?)
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To: The Duke

That is a very good question.

For centerfire ammo - Prior to Al GOre and “Green” primers, I would say, 100 years (proper storage and all that) - I have fired ammo made in 1947, Russian even, and it all went bang... split and seperatd case not withstanding.

Now, with the “Green” primers I would worry after as little as 10 years.

All the ammo I have purchased of late is furrin made/surplus with the old time type primers. In sealed can, in pritine shape - after ammo from open ammo cans were examined from the same lot.

.22 ammo will normally work if it is clean and stored properly.


50 posted on 11/09/2008 9:30:11 PM PST by ASOC (Have a nice day, just don't have it around me (bumper sticker))
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