Posted on 11/30/2008 1:20:28 PM PST by freedumb2003
MODESTO, Calif. (CBS) ― A Roman Catholic priest has told parishioners they should confess if they voted for Barack Obama because the president-elect supports abortion..
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In supporting murder, you are supporting the murderer. To turn a blind eye is to sanction evil.
And even if Life isn't a top agenda item for you, remember, the new fuhrer voted for allowing LIVE deliveries to die. THAT is murder, pure and simple.
Unfortunately, the majority of Catholics voted for Obama.
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My sister is a “buffet Catholic” also.
When I was brought up, we had a name for “buffet Catholics”: Protestants.
Mortal sin or not it certainly was an act of cataclysmic stupidity.
Just a heads-up on this item. It is being widely misreported. The priest wrote that parishioners should go to confession if they voted for Obama, if they knew that it was wrong to do so and that it was a major/grave matter, or something along those lines. The “if” is not getting reported. In order for a sin to be a sin, one has to know that one is doing wrong. So he rightly was asking them to consider whether they knew that it was wrong to vote for Obama—only in that case would they need to confess it as sin.
It is being reported as if he said to them, “look, you voted for him, you knew it was wrong, you knew it was serious, so all of you have to go to confession.” He did not say that—he could not say that because no one can know just what the other person knew, how deliberately and with full consent the other person did something.
I would imagine the priest is mostly just trying to get folks’ attention so that in the future they will take abortion more seriously. He’s trying to inform them, put them on notice, as it were. And those who truly did know that it was wrong to vote for Obama and did so with full consent, well, they need to go to confession. But he’s not saying that everyone who voted for Obama committed a mortal sin—there’s no way he can say or know that. Remember, only mortal sins have to be confessed, though confession of venial sins is recommended by the Church. So in order for his pastoral advice to be correct, he has to make clear that he’s talking about mortal sin and in the case of voting for Obama, one has to be cognizant of the gravity of the matter and vote for him despite that. One would think that the bishops’ speaking out on this would have put every Catholic on notice, but in fact, a lot of Catholics were blissfully ignorant of what their own bishops said and all to many bishops didn’t say enough. So just how many of this pastor’s parishioners need to confess a mortal sin of voting for Obama, is hard to say. Sadly, probably not very many of them. He is, however, trying to get their attention.
Which will do a lot of harm to a lot of innocent people over a very short time.
I will bet a lot of money that abortions -- now on the downturn -- go up significantly in the first year of the new fuhrer's Herrschaft.
Could be? I suppose he is right. For a sin to be a mortal sin it must be an inherently grave evil—yes, voting for a pro-abortion candidate is inherently gravely evil. The person must know it is inherently gravely evil and must freely elect to do so. Clearly those who voted for Obama meet the last criterion. Unfortunately, they may be as stupid as squid in that they do not realize that abortion and voting for a pro-abortion candidate are inherently gravely evil. Unfortunately, too few bishops and priests have given sermons on these evils.
Many Catholics are "basically good people" who cannot connect the dots. To them murder of children is nothing more than being "pro choice" and an issue that has been on the back burner for years. Their weak understanding of the economy is far more important as well as a myriad of other issues put forward by the Democrats that they like, especially entitlements.
They simply do not understand that they will perish if they do not take a stand in favor of the culture of life. A stand for life would force the Democrat Party to put forward candidates who support life. But greed, ignorance, and superstition takes over for them like other liberals with disordered minds.
Admittedly, I don’t know much about Catholicism, but don’t they just go to confession and say a “Hail Mary” or something and all is good again?
Sad to say but true! This election I thought the church leaders were not as vocal as in the past and I think that’s why Catholics did not worry about it as much.
Bellwether Catholics Sided with Obama - (27 PERCENT) of the U.S. electorate.
For many, experts say, economy trumped abortion concerns.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20081123_Bellwether_Catholics_sided_with_Obama.html
“On his way to a decisive victory, Barack Obama won a majority of the nation’s Catholic voters, a closely watched swing group that has sided with the winner in nine of the last 10 presidential elections. He won despite the preaching of some conservative bishops that it would be wrong to vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights, as Obama does, and after a years-long effort by Democrats to close their party’s persistent “God gap” with the Republicans among religious voters.
Fifty-four percent of Catholics voted for Obama, to 45 percent for GOP nominee John McCain, according to surveys of voters as they left their polling places. Catholics made up 27 percent of the U.S. electorate.
Pennsylvania was an anomaly, with McCain carrying Catholics 52 percent to 48 percent. A third of the state’s voters were Catholic, according to the exit polls.
There are quite a few important points covered in this article and what was said here.
Many bishops believed it was critical that abortion be front and center and that Catholics should be voting along these lines.
I don’t know if they were cowed into silence by anyone who spoke against the neuen fuhrer.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
not trying to defend them.
...but with their jobs and 401Ks going down the toilet, 52% of Americans voted against the party of the current administration...without doing the research that proves that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and the democrat congress caused the bank flop due to their insistance that people with no right to obtain mortgages, obtain mortgages.
this was true for Catholics as well as non Catholics and when the food supply dries up for themselves and their kin, people will ignore non economic reasons for voting.
Most Catholics are basically lost and incapable of being “basically good people.” Incidentally, most other folks are as well. They may do good things now and then, but unless their lives are surrendered to the Lord, they are going to make reprehensible choices.
Anyone who could vote for a pro-abortion candidate without the slightest tinge of guilt about the issue has a seared conscience, plain and simple. They should examine their lives to see if they truly know the Lord.
No, you are not correct but thank you for being so kind to Catholics with an honest question! Seriously.
We must not only confess and say the pennance but also be sorry for our sin. This is where many people will fail. Unless they are truly sorry, the confession means nothing.
We must also swear to not sin again. Not that we don’t fall off the wagon, so to say but, for example, if one is living in sin, unmarried and having sexual relations, one cannot just go to confession and continue living that way. A Catholic must turn from sin for the confession to be valid.
Proverbs 24:11-12
"Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not He who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not He who guards your life know it?
Will He not repay each person according to what he has done?"
I’m Catholic and the majority of Catholic women I know are Pro Abortion and lots of Catholics I know are socially liberal.
I suspect the majority of priests did and probably the majority of bishops. The bishops have been pronounced pro lifers and tacit pro abortionists for so long that their credibility is shot. I stopped contributing to our Archbishop's Appeal about 15 years ago.
I don't know how they will regain credibility, but the official anti-Obama pronouncements are surely a start...baby steps, baby steps.
In the words of George Carlin, you’ve “gotta wanna” commit mortal sin.
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