Posted on 12/04/2008 8:37:05 PM PST by Red Reign
According to The Schnitt Show, a radio program available in several Florida markets and XM radio, a birth announcement for Barack Obama was discovered in a 1961 Honolulu newspaper. See link for a PDF image of this announcement.
The announcements in those Honolulu papers were then, and are now, printed according to information gathered from hospitals by the vital records bureau. The paper then prints it.
They cannot be put in the paper by grandparents or parents.
Birth announcements were printed based on information gathered by the vital records bureau, then given to the papers.
How could O’s parents have him in Kenya, get a phony bc created (where?), file it with the vital records bureau in order to be included on the list printed in the paper—all within 9 days? The birth announcement was printed 9 days after birth.
Besides, from my research, the list of births was gathered by the Vital Records Bureau from hospitals only, not other sources.
Finally, why go through all this just to ensure O is natural born? If citizenship was an issue, why not just have him be naturalized? Surely no one in 1961 was making sure he would be eligible to be president?
These are the sticking points for me, based on the research I have done.
The announcements in Honolulu papers cannot be put in by parents, grandparents, etc.
The birth announcement was printed 9 days after birth. How in the world could his parents have him in Kenya, get a foreign birth certificate printed, travel from the village to Honolulu, and get it to the Vital Records Bureau in time to make it to the paper in 9 days. There is a day or so lag time for printing, remember.
We all know bureaucracies don’t move that quickly.
The announcements in the Honolulu papers were not like that. They are not celebratory announcements. They are gathered by the vital records bureau then given to the papers to print. You can’t get one put in by request or payment.
I don't know how you would know that for a fact, especially, as I would assume, you weren't living in Hawaii at the time nor dealing with the Honolulu newspapers. Otherwise, it would seem as if your statement is direct from recent pro-Obama sources.
Even if one assumes that all the info in all those birth announcements came from the HI state government, it is very possible that the family registered the baby's out-of-state birth with the state, in accordance with Hawaii law at the time, and thereby the birth announcement was reported to the Advertiser. Notice that the place of birth is not indicated in the announcement.
BTW, there is a recent story (Dec. 15) on World Net Daily which raises serious doubt as to the authenticity of the Obama family address in the birth announcement.
Nine days would have been more than ample time for the mother to have returned to Hawaii with the baby from Kenya. Hawaii statute specifically allowed "late birth certificates" to be filed for out-of-state births if the parent or relatives of the baby were Hawaii residents.
And even if mother and baby hadn't returned from Kenya, the mother could have informed her parents in Hawaii of the details of the birth by telephone or telegraph within those nine days, and the maternal grandparents could then have registered the Kenyan birth with the Hawaii Health Dept., in accordance with state law.
It is SO silly that BO has three law firms blocking access to his records.
An old post! I have followed the COLB articles from the start and have seen many mention that Obama’s grandmother ‘may’ have had the announcement put in the paper.
When one of my daughters in another city had her first child, I called in the announcement to my local newspaper.
I would think that back in the 1960’s it would have been no problem at all.
The total population of Hawaii, according to the 1960 census, was only 632,772. The population of Honolulu was a bit less than 300,000. This is was not New York or Los Angeles or Chicago. The bureaucracy in a smaller city could not have been as cumbersome as you imagine it to have been.
The total population of Hawaii, according to the 1960 census, was only 632,772. The population of Honolulu was a bit less than 300,000. This is was not New York or Los Angeles or Chicago. The bureaucracy in a smaller city could not have been as cumbersome as you imagine it to have been.
This is true. Check out this site, not pro Obama in any way. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/
Okay, nine days is enough to get a Kenyan birth certificate? Assuming Obama was born in the Kenyan village, how long do you think it takes for that information to get to whatever authority issues birth certificates? Then, that legal document would have to be brought to Hawaii in person (births had to be registered in person, I researched that), and make its way to the vital records office in the span of a week? It just does not make any logical sense that the parent could have registered the birth in time to have it printed in the paper.
And the grandparents? There were no fax machines in 1961, so how do they get the Kenyan bc so fast? (not that a faxed copy of a bc would be accepted anyway.) Only parents can register a birth, too.
It is absolutely true that the only way for birth announcements to get in the paper was via the Vital Records Bureau. Check this out, it is by the woman who actually found the announcements in the paper: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/
You will note that this is not a pro Obama blog. She really has done lots of research on this whole issue.
My township has 5000 people. It took months to get a simple shed permit approved. Bureaucracy is bureaucracy.
Of, and as for why he doesn't just release an original birth certificate, and put an end to all this nonsense (not that would)? There is an old saying in politics:
Never interrupt your opponent while he is making a mistake.
The birth controversy is not just useless, it is counter productive. It wastes times, money and effort on a cause that not only will not prosper, but will only make consevatives look like spoiled children, unwilling to accept the electoral a$$kicking we were handed last month. The left, with the MSM on its side, can get away with a lot of that, we cannot.
But in the Holiday spirit, I would like to give those Freepers trying to flog life into this dead horse a couple of ideas about other avenues to pursue.
1. Is BO a Human??? Maybe he is a cyborg. Maybe he is of non-terran origin. Have you seen the DNA tests showing him to be a human? Has anyone? Why won't he release samples of his DNA to independent labs?
2. Fourteen years a resident of the United States??? The Constitution requires that the President have been a resident of the United States for the past fourteen years. But BO has, for the past four years, been living in no state at all, but in the District of Columbia. And before that? Texas has people who think that, because of some paper work foul up in the Annexation in 1846, Texas is not a State, but still an independent republic.What of Illinois? Maybe there was some paper work foul up with the Treaty of Pairs in 1763, and Illinois is still a French Colony. Has anyone looked into that?
Are either of these issue meritorious? No. But they aren't much worse than the birth in Kenya, or Canada, or wherever argument. And at least they make for a change of pace.
And no, I won't respond to any comments from birthers, except with a quote from Thomas Paine:
It is as useless to argue with those who have abandoned the use of reason as it is to administer medicine to the dead.
Get it out of your system folks, and lets gear up for 2010.
Yes. But what if they knew that the little baby would one day be nominated as a candidate for president of the US? Well?
Oh. And you?
Do you know for a fact that the newspaper did not obtain the information from the Health Bureau? The paper says “health bureau” which is probably where the COLB had to be filed.
I doubt that newspapers went combing through hospital records to find data of births.
And isnt it true that a COLB could be obtained in Hawaii at that time even if the baby was born elsewhere?
Obama was reputed to have been born in Mombasa, Kenya, in a hospital. (Most Kenyan births at the time undoubtedly did not occur in hospitals.) Mombasa is a city, not a village, large enough to be on my 1960 map of Kenya. Obama's paternal grandfather held a fairly influential position within the Kenyan elite. Kenya at the time was under British administration.
All the above would indicate that a Kenyan birth certificate was probably more immediately available than you might otherwise think.
Then, that legal document would have to be brought to Hawaii in person ... and make its way to the vital records office in the span of a week?
Not sure if the family would have required an official Kenyan document at the time of a birth registration of a foreign birth with Hawaiian authorities. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct on that point. Nine days (actually, closer to ten days, taking into account the time difference) would have been more than adequate to fly that document from Kenya to Hawaii. Jet air transportation was available from Kenya to London, London to New York, New York to Seattle (or San Francisco), and Seattle (or San Fancisco) to Hawaii (or similar routing) in 1961.
The large majority of FReepers who know me would have much more respect for my objectivity and intellectual integrity - and that of Polarik - than they would have for that of an MSM lefty hack like Amy Hollyfield. 'Nuff said!
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