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Man-Made Global Warming Supposedly Began 5,000 Years Ago
Accuweather ^ | Friday, December 19, 2008 | Brett Anderson - Canada

Posted on 12/20/2008 11:40:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: YOUGOTIT

When the dinosaurs ran around, there wasn’t even ice at the poles. It was 5-15 degrees warmer than today. Ice ages themselves didn’t even start until 40 million years ago with the rise of the Himalayas. Thus, based on paleo-climatology, we have a long way to warm up before we’re “back to normal”.


41 posted on 12/20/2008 12:24:23 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I guess Al Gore can live in mansions, eat expensive meals, and fly around the world in his private jet, telling people that agriculture should be banned.


42 posted on 12/20/2008 12:29:44 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

However, the extinction of large mammals in North America, like the Mammoth, also lessened greenhouse gases from their flatulence so I say it’s about even. However the cult of global warming still does not have an explanation for the cause of massive global warming about 20,000 years ago that defrosted the glacier covered northern hemisphere that had been covered with glaciers caused by the previous massive global cooling.


43 posted on 12/20/2008 12:48:01 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When the green-shade guys were arguing over how to save money after years of poor management and ignorance running rampant, one suggested closing the library as no one ever used it; another piped up and said, “But first, we must sell its valuable assets...”


44 posted on 12/20/2008 12:50:17 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And just how many cave people were in existence? how long would it take to bring down all those forests and burn them?


45 posted on 12/20/2008 12:50:27 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: YOUGOTIT

There couldn’t have been - who would have told us?


46 posted on 12/20/2008 12:51:03 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No problemo. Stop growing crops and the world will be saved for mank-i-n... Uh... Wait a minute....


47 posted on 12/20/2008 12:51:21 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The climate scientists and meteorologists can’t tell us where a hurricane will land in 24 hours, but they know all about 5,000 years in the past, and decades into the future? How amazing! How completely absurd.


48 posted on 12/20/2008 12:53:06 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

Greenhouse gases are not “bad”. They are essential. If there were no greenhouse gases, the earth would be far too cold for humans. By the way, CO2 is only present in trace amounts - the latest estimate being about 380 parts per million. Water vapor is far more common.

The media, politicians, and the public are generally ignorant of basic facts. Those who talk about “fighting climate change” are airheads tilting at windmills. If they want to “fight” climate change, then they had best figure out a way to control the sun’s activity. The recent absence of sun spots suggests we may be in for “global cooling” despite all the noise being made about warming.


49 posted on 12/20/2008 12:56:26 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Don’t these people even study geology. There are many many ways in which the earth can release tons (literaly) of C02, and methane into the atmosphere.


50 posted on 12/20/2008 1:00:19 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes Global Warming started about sometime back then, particularly immediately after the last Ice Age. And Fred Flintstone should have quit barbecuing Bronto-burgers while he still had the chance. Now look at the mess we’re in!


51 posted on 12/20/2008 1:01:18 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Liberalism is a serious mental deficiency.


52 posted on 12/20/2008 1:15:54 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Researchers from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, using supercomputers and advanced climate models have hypothesised ...

This is as far as I got before realizing this was another press release from the moonbats...
I wonder how much longer this BS will last?

Just yesterday there was a lucid detailed explanation of the well-meaning hoax; even an idiot should be able to understand it:

Logic Crisis

The relevant paragraph...

"But they have the data and they have computers!"

"I know they do. But computers spit out whatever they are programmed to spit out. Load a computer with the data that the world has been getting colder; ask it what the weather will be tomorrow, and what do you think the computer is going to tell you? The world is getting hotter? If it does you'd better get a better computer. You hungry?" I replied and I continued on my way to lunch.

Computers can't really think, contrary to the impression of the ignorant.
Increasingly, the wannabe "scientist-programmers" don't seem to be able to think either.

53 posted on 12/20/2008 1:30:40 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: dbz77
Discredited by whom ?

Not since the horse died.
Get with the program!

54 posted on 12/20/2008 1:35:12 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I knew damn well that all of our problems were caused at Mr. Slate’s rock quary. It was that Flintstone leaving his dinosaurdozer on all night!


55 posted on 12/20/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Those 4,500 BC Hummers were something else.


56 posted on 12/20/2008 1:37:47 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: All
Related thread:

Obama names strong science team....Barf

Science magazine reports that John Holdren, a professional environmental judgment day doomsayer, is going to become Barack Obama's top science adviser.

57 posted on 12/20/2008 1:38:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

Must be those Lantean SUV....


58 posted on 12/20/2008 1:47:36 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: All
Related threads:

Global Warming Skeptics Question Authority

And:

Obama names strong science team

BARF ALERT.....

From this Blog:

Crackpot John Holdren will become Obama's science adviser

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Crackpot John Holdren will become Obama's science adviser


Science magazine reports that John Holdren, a professional environmental judgment day doomsayer, is going to become Barack Obama's top science adviser.

See also NY Times Tierney Lab: Flawed science advice for Obama?
John Holdren is the ultimate example of the pseudointellectual impurities that have recently flooded universities and academies throughout the Western world.

Population growth means death

Do you want to know what is his specialization? Well, look at his publication list at scholar.google.com. No, he hasn't found anything about laser cooling, like Steven Chu, despite his PhD in plasma physics. Instead, he has only written 3 very well-known texts - with at least 100 citations - and all of them are about the "catastrophic" population growth. A few additional, newer articles with 50 citations or so are about the "catastrophic" climate change.

The most famous article, by far (400+ cits), is his and Paul Ehrlich's 1971 text in Science magazine,
Impact of Population Growth.
The subtitle says that "complacency concerning this component of man's predicament is unjustified and counterproductive". In other words, it is an unforgivable crime not to be hysterical about the population growth. Wow. They study the "interlocking crises" in population, resources, and environment that have been the "focus of countless papers, dozens of prestigious symposia, and a growing avalanche of books".

Recall that the second author, Paul Ehrlich, predicted that 4 billions of people (90% of the 1980 total), including 65 million Americans (28% of the 1980 figure), would perish of hunger in "Great Die-Off" in the 1980s. Well, Holdren and Ehrlich may have narcissistically talked about "prestigious symposia" but it's hard to change the fact that events where people compete who is going to propose a more absurd die-off scenario are just gatherings of pompous loons.

Do I really have to argue that their forecasts have been proven remarkably wrong? Do I have to argue that all similar papers are likely to be wrong because the "arguments" in them are simply not rational? It's no science.

In the particular Ehrlich-Holdren paper, they discussed five "theorems", as they boldly call this idiotic stuff. For example, the first "theorem" says that "population growth causes a disproportionate negative impact on the environment". The last one argues that "theoretical solutions to the problem are often not operational and sometimes they are not solutions". 

These are great theorems! They're so accurate, well-defined, rigorously proven, and universally valid! ;-) I am sure that in insane asylums, they would use different words than "theorems" to describe these manifestations of their anxiety disorders. The paper then studies variations of the I=PAT formula which is either completely vacuous or completely wrong, depending on your interpretation of the letters.

CO2 emissions mean death

The old predicted catastrophes about the "lethal population growth" have largely evaporated from the public discourse - "population growth" is no longer equated with "great die-off" - but people like Holdren have simply found a new kind of a catastrophe that apparently hasn't been fully discredited yet, the climate change. 

Nowadays, they equate "CO2 emissions" with a "great die-off". Details have changed but the dishonest, unscientific, extremely ideological, and political essence of their movement hasn't. These people are like RNA viruses of flu. You may think that you have already gained immunity against this stuff but instead, the viruses have mutated just a little bit and they're back. They will be always with us. 

These days, his main weapon is to articulate more radical and scary forecasts about the climate than (almost) anyone else who uses a proper English grammar. ;-) And he is always careful to be called "Professor" and "big guy" by all the journalists, see for example this BBC piece where he blames President Bush for a 7-meter rise of the sea level (??) and his recent op-ed in the Boston Globe where he attacks the climate skeptics, again without a glimpse of a rational argument. There is absolutely no valuable content in anything that Holdren has ever produced. It's just plain bullshit sold in such a way that gullible people happily eat it and smack their lips.

I simply can't stand pompous fools like that. Because of his Harvard affiliation, I may have talked to him during a Society of Fellows dinner and I may have forgotten: it's hard to imagine that I could smile with the knowledge I have today. You may also see Richard Lindzen's essay to learn more about the methods how John Holdren and others have elected themselves to the National Academy of Sciences and similar bodies. It's plain disgusting.

Summary

It's very bad that people whose approach to the world is the exact opposite of science - because they prefer irrational phobias, "prestige" of symposia, and visible jobs paid by gullible manipulated folks over rational, humble, careful, and ever more refined scientific arguments and findings - are being linked to science, and it is bad that President-elect Obama is helping to distort the definition of science and its proper role in the society in this way.

And that's the memo.

59 posted on 12/20/2008 1:51:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s Bush’s fault. Bush and those damned SUVs.

Women and minorities will be hardest hit.


60 posted on 12/20/2008 1:53:23 PM PST by kennedy (I'm a Kennedy with no experience or qualifications too! Where do I sign up for MY Senate seat?)
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