Skip to comments.Seized gun poses puzzle
Posted on 02/01/2009 7:21:00 AM PST by marktwain
A submachine-gun seized during a gang house raid in Winnipeg's North End last week is unlike anything a police firearms expert has seen locally before.
What makes the gun so unique -- and troubling, police say -- is the way it was cobbled together.
"It looks like a hybrid or amalgam of gun parts," said police Det. Const. Rob Duttchen, a member of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team.
Possibly homemade, the submachine-gun and five sawed-off shotguns, along with ammunition, were seized at a house in the 400-block of Manitoba Avenue on Jan. 7, police said.
Three males, aged 17, 27 and 28, are facing almost 120 charges.
Two of the shotguns were stolen during a break-and-enter in the District 6 area, Duttchen said.
The submachine-gun was loaded when it was found, said police spokesman Const. Jason Michalyshen.
It has parts consistent with those of a Second World War-era Sten and M-16 assault rifle, said Duttchen.
A certain level of expertise and knowledge would be required to make such a gun, he said.
Duttchen said the gun will be sent to a lab in Ottawa for examination as part of an investigation into its origin.
Police showed the firearms to reporters yesterday, along with an assortment of drugs and a 9-mm handgun seized during a separate bust Saturday afternoon in the 800-block of McCalman Avenue.
"We've got a significant amount of firepower here," Michalyshen said.
The handgun was loaded at the time of the bust, he said.
Two of the more unusual items were hollowed-out books used to hide about $9,000 in cash, police said.
Officers also seized 31.5 ounces of cocaine, 17 ounces of marijuana, eight Percocet tablets, two grams of hashish oil and 3.2 ounces of the cutting agent benzocaine.
Police said the drugs allegedly belonged to a mid-level dealer.
Police said Marc William McIntosh, 29, is facing several drug- and weapon-related charges. He is in custody.
Don't bet on it. My guess is that submachinegun is purely the product of Canadian gun control laws.
The British Sten and the Russian PPSh were specifically designed to be built in local garages or metal working shops and the plans exist on the internet. You don't have to go 8000 miles to find people who can build weapons. Besides, the guys in Pakistan seem to only produce copies. The sub gun in the picture looks like a basic Sten design, with the charging handle on the left side, but the magazine has been relocated to the bottom giving the gun better balance during recoil and less tendency to string to the right. That's the kind of simple but original modification that a home gunsmith might make but the Pakistanis probably wouldn't.
I wonder where they got their barrel? Possibly an old UZI or other 9mm carbine.
I continue to be amazed that the gun control fetish mob doesn’t understand just how dreadfully simple a blow-back sub-gun can be, just as you describe. A straight blow-back, open-bolt gun... except for the barrel, it isn’t even one day’s work in a basic machine shop.
OK, for a nice barrel, add a second day.
What did we have in costs on the M3 in WWII? Something under $5, yes? And they cost reduced it on the second pass?
The limitation on building full auto’s came in the administration of Bush the Elder, and as a result of Bill Bennett.
Another alleged “conservative.”
Well, that's for a DIYer. As you might expect, at a professional level there's a little more to learn about the trade, and here it is:
4. Payday's Friday.
Depends on what you mean by circumvent. If you mean are they legal, then yes, in general. You can't make a machine gun, but you could copy a 1911 or an AR for example. Home made silencers are still regulated like store bought, but you can apply for a permit.
Just because I'm a DIY'er doesn't mean I do shoddy work. I used to sell automated farm feeding equipment, and in one county where I installed a new silo unloader, complete with control panel, the county building inspector had to check my electrical work. He said it was the best he had ever seen.
I didn't bother to tell him that I had to re-wire the main breaker box because some idiot had used the white wire for ground instead of the green one....
I have trouble picturing a gun that would take no expertise and no knowledge to make.
I guess the electrical equivalent is black=hot, white=neutral. I got an extremely painful shock one time because the moron who wired my range hood got it backwards. Years of conditioning to this idea makes you a little less cautious with the white wire, and I touched it while leaning the top of my head against the range hood. The shock I got felt like someone took a framing hammer and gave me a good whack on top of the head. I was woozy for like three minutes.
except the charging handle appears to be on the wrong side.
Probably don't want to know what offense the guy who made the Norinco pistol copy did to lose his hearing and tongue.
Look folks drug runners are carrying arms and even fabricating their own.
Lets make drugs and guns illegal. That’ll fix it. /sarc.
I never thought I’d agree with the 9th circus court.
I have those articles in my personal files.
UNDERGROUND ARSENALS BEHIND PRISON WALLS by Clair F. Rees
Guns and Ammo, January 1970.
GUNS OF DESPERATION by John S. Tompkins
TRUE THE MAN'S MAGAZINE, April 1966
GUNS MAGAZINE, various photos no date plus other pictures of home made guns I tore out of other magazines.
If I can get this piece of crap dialup to work faster (ice and snow) I will post the pictures from the articles.
You have a great memory; a 1960’s G&A article.
I remember one of the pictures from the article was of a metal cartridge case and caption mentioned it appeared factory-like in its finish.
No, No, No! 1. Sh*t don’t run uphill. 2. DON’T bite your fingernails. 3. Payday is Friday.