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Second Amendment Incorporated!
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 04-20-2009 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 04/20/2009 10:08:38 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998

Alice Marie Beard: The Ninth Circuit has apparently held, in the Nordyke case, that the Second Amendment is incorporated against the states via the Fourteenth Amendment; opinion to come shortly. I will certainly blog more when I can read the opinion.

Please note the possibility of error in all such breaking news stories, posted before the opinion is read; I will certainly correct any such error as soon as possible if it turns out the initial account is indeed mistaken.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 9thcircuit; banglist; california; lping; ninthcircuit; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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1 posted on 04/20/2009 10:08:39 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Hopeful bump.


2 posted on 04/20/2009 10:09:44 AM PDT by Enterprise (Hey Pirates - you got yer asses kicked!)
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To: freedomwarrior998

“Nordyke v. King is a case challenging an effective ban on gun shows on county property by the county of Alameda. While the case was originally about gun shows on county property, it’s mainly interesting recently (Mar 2009) because it may be the first case to “incorporate” the Second Amendment against the states.”


3 posted on 04/20/2009 10:10:51 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Enterprise

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/20/0715763.pdf


4 posted on 04/20/2009 10:11:14 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

If true, it will go straight to the Supreme Court, do not pass go...


5 posted on 04/20/2009 10:11:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: freedomwarrior998

Ninth? If true, that’s astounding.


6 posted on 04/20/2009 10:12:00 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

The liberals are probably already squealing.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 10:12:08 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Here pig pig pig...Here pig pig pig!!


8 posted on 04/20/2009 10:12:53 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: freedomwarrior998

Ok...for the judicially challenged (me), what does this mean?


9 posted on 04/20/2009 10:15:00 AM PDT by ironwill (I want my daddy's records.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Can’t figure this out. Of course the 2nd amendment, and the 20th and 6th whatever, cover all the states. Am I missing something? Will continue reading the thread and articles.


10 posted on 04/20/2009 10:15:40 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart.........2012--can't come soon enough.)
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To: Glenn
“incorporate” the Second Amendment against the states.”

I don't know what that means

11 posted on 04/20/2009 10:15:46 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (And on the 5th day& 18th pleading, ghett0 finally agreed to allow the Navy to save the captain.)
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To: ironwill
The 9th Circuit "incorporated" the 2nd Amendment. IOW: The Second applies to the States (at least in the 9th Circuit) via the 14th Amendment.

Absent incorporation, the Amendment would not have applied to the States.

12 posted on 04/20/2009 10:17:05 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
Here you go:

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[12] We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.”

Colonial revolutionaries, the Founders, and a host of commentators and lawmakers living during the first one hundred years of the Republic all insisted on the fundamental nature of the right.

It has long been regarded as the “true palladium of liberty.” Colonists relied on it to assert and to win their independence, and the victorious Union sought to prevent a recalcitrant South from abridging it less than a century later.

The crucial role this deeply rooted right has played in our birth and history compels us to recognize that it is indeed fundamental, that it is necessary to the Anglo-American conception of ordered liberty that we have inherited.17 We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/20/0715763.pdf pg 29

13 posted on 04/20/2009 10:17:38 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Actually, it’s hard to believe the Ninth wrote this. Maybe their warm milk was spiked.


14 posted on 04/20/2009 10:18:47 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: ironwill

Means that the states have to respect citizens’ RKBA, that the states have to obey the 2nd Amendment. (Perversely, the Supreme Court has required individual court cases to impose the Bill Of Rights on the states, per the 14th Amendment, one right at a time - and the 2nd hasn’t been so ruled on.)


15 posted on 04/20/2009 10:19:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

:’)


16 posted on 04/20/2009 10:19:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: 4woodenboats

“Incorporation” means that it falls under the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of citizens’ rights against the states, as well as against the federal government. IOW, Congress cannot infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and neither can states and localities.


17 posted on 04/20/2009 10:20:34 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: DuncanWaring
It's true. I found the opinion.

Amazingly the appointees were Reagan, Clinton and Carter.

18 posted on 04/20/2009 10:20:40 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: BlueStateBlues

“Can’t figure this out.”

Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_(Bill_of_Rights)


19 posted on 04/20/2009 10:20:47 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: BlueStateBlues
Am I missing something?

Yes: the Constitutional amendments, legally (thanks to perverse judicial history), do NOT apply to the states until the Supreme Court says they do - one right at a time.

20 posted on 04/20/2009 10:20:58 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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