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Report: North Korea May Have Conducted a Nuclear Test
Fox News ^ | 5/24/2009

Posted on 05/24/2009 7:58:02 PM PDT by markomalley

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KEYWORDS: bho44; nknukes; norks; northkorea; nukes; obama; tm; wot
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To: calex59
Obama said Washington will be working in the days ahead with the Security Council and other nations that have been trying to persuade North Korea to give up its nuclear ambitions.

Above is a quote from our dear leader on the subject on a new thread, and below is a quote from Japans Prime Minister!

Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso reacted even more sternly, calling the test a violation of U.N. sanctions. "It is unacceptable," Aso said, adding that an emergency meeting of the Security Council expected later Monday in New York would deal with the test, North Korea's second since 2006. Japan is particularly sensitive to such actions because its territory is within North Korean missile range.

I like his fire much better than Bozo's reaction to talk them to death. The "It is unacceptable part" tells me what I need to know about him. Link to the thread below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2257701/posts

221 posted on 05/25/2009 4:06:11 AM PDT by calex59
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To: PhilDragoo

Hopey Changey.


222 posted on 05/25/2009 4:10:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: NotSoModerate; AmericanInTokyo

Don’t forget Congress, the democrats made it impossible for Bush to really get anything done.

Not that I really liked him or his father.


223 posted on 05/25/2009 4:11:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: james500

depth was 0.0? Does that mean they did it on or very near the surface?


224 posted on 05/25/2009 4:12:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Not exactly. He chose war. Congress backed him.

He chose it on Saddam Hussein.

Not on Kim Jong il.

225 posted on 05/25/2009 4:24:38 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: markomalley
calex59; Strategerist; american in tokyo; tigerlikesrooster; all

Seismogram from Inchon, South Korea:

P-wave signal (positive) at ~00:00:57

Looks like a nuke shot, alright...

227 posted on 05/25/2009 4:31:54 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: A Navy Vet
But then what? That's always been my question. While we have the technology to determine where the isotopes were developed, if the nuke is not sent my missle or dropped by aircraft (easily tracked), we may not be able to pinpoint the persons responsible if comes in a ship container or by other clandestine means. I'm no expert...just going what I read on the Internet and hear. So then who do we retaliate against? That's why I believe we should pull much of our resources out of of Iraq and Afgan, and carpet-bomb and use our nastiest BLU's or tactical nukes against NK, Iran, Syria, and others we know to be potential WMD's future threats. I wouldn't mind seeing Saudi Arabia go up 1,000,000 degrees either except for reasons stated below.

Gonna have to agree with you on this. All N Korea would have to do is build another one of these "tiny" 20 KT bombs(I can't believe some of the statements I have seen today on FR concerning the size of this nuke)on a ship, send it into NY harbor and Blam, part of NYC and many people vaporized, not to mention the radiation and the fire deaths. With all the evidence turned to powder who would be retaliate against?

228 posted on 05/25/2009 4:35:49 AM PDT by calex59
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To: TXnMA
And this, which might be old:

Magnitude 4.7 Date-Time Monday, May 25, 2009 at 00:54:43 UTC Monday, May 25, 2009 at 09:54:43 AM at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones Location 41.331°N, 129.011°E Depth 0 km (~0 mile) set by location program Region NORTH KOREA Distances 75 km (45 miles) NNW of Kimchaek, North Korea 95 km (60 miles) SW of Chongjin, North Korea 180 km (110 miles) SSW of Yanji, Jilin, China 380 km (235 miles) NE of PYONGYANG, North Korea Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 5.3 km (3.3 miles); depth fixed by location program Parameters NST= 76, Nph= 76, Dmin=474.4 km, Rmss=0.8 sec, Gp= 68°, M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=8 Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D) Event ID us2009hbaf

229 posted on 05/25/2009 4:36:17 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: TXnMA

I was assuming so last night from the way the S Koreans and Japanese reacted. They didn’t go into a tail spin with the one in 2006, so I decided they knew something we didn’t. Thanks for the graph!


230 posted on 05/25/2009 4:37:43 AM PDT by calex59
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yeah, the 4.7 is old, the last one I read said they upgraded it to a 5.5, which would put the blast in the 20 kt range, 1945 technology but enough to blow a sizable city to he** if they desired.


231 posted on 05/25/2009 4:39:04 AM PDT by calex59
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To: A Navy Vet
"I wouldn't mind seeing Saudi Arabia go up 1,000,000 degrees either "

It's already that hot in July and August anyways.... ;-)

232 posted on 05/25/2009 4:40:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: markomalley

233 posted on 05/25/2009 4:41:33 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: calex59

Just like they improved missile trajectory, stability and telemetry on the Taepodong 2 launch on 5 April 2009, targeting Hawaii, over and above their Taepodong 2 that went out from North Korea in 2006. They are getting better and better. Hey, their ASIANS. Quality control and constant, patient eye on the long term. We, on the other hand, are, steeped in our American Idol and Sex in the City, Democrat and Republican Administration alike, fiddling while Rome burns and pissing in the wind. True to our American-ness, though, dont worry, we will wake up...but not in time, and AFTER the blast, wherever it will be. Most people will be like “WHERE did THAT come from!!??”, but the answer to that will have been lying right before them for years on end prior to the attack.


234 posted on 05/25/2009 4:43:55 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"A much more "surgical" approach, an extremely pinpoint mission, resulting in the deaths of maybe 20-50 select North Koreans, might be all that it takes, only if a) it can be done in the first place; b) the alternative/aftermath is something we can both live with and deal with and we could manage any blowback. Few options. That's one of them though. You can use a shotgun approach. Or you can use a rifle approach. Who really knows what is best. Also is that assured is that appeasement itself is a dead end street and only has value for so long."

I really don't get what you're saying. I have read too many times about the massive NK artillary pointed at Seoul.

How can a few snipers take out the NK? Please explain. Good nite.

235 posted on 05/25/2009 4:44:32 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Agree with you there. Americans have always went about their business as if no one would ever do them harm and wake up shocked one day when they find out they were fooling themselves. This time though there may not, probably won’t, be time to recover and win the day.


236 posted on 05/25/2009 4:46:46 AM PDT by calex59
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To: A Navy Vet

There are different schools of thought.


237 posted on 05/25/2009 4:47:28 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: calex59
It is the essence of American-ness.

It is our national characteristic. The Japanese would say 米国の国民性。 They can see it. I can see it. A lot of Freepers can see it. But many Americans can not or will not.

You come to appreciate it from afar.

We sleep at dawn, then they move on us. It is the way it has almost always been. We even the score alright, but only after suffering a horrendous bloody nose ourselves first.

238 posted on 05/25/2009 4:50:29 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (History Buffs: At What Point Did The German People "Get" They Had A Monster (Hitler) On Their Hands?)
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To: markomalley

Having become indentured to China, the range of responses available to address the transgressions of its lapdog atate are limited.

It reminds me of how selectively the “Bush Doctrine” was applied. Invade Iraq? Sure. Bomb Iran or N. Korea? Whoa there, tiger.

Japan and S. Korea might want to float the idea of a trade ban with China to see how serious they are about protecting their lapdog.

Beyond that, the USA should walk away from the “six party summits” and reserve all options in protecting its allies. More importantly, it should impress upon Japan and S. Korea their right of self-defense.


239 posted on 05/25/2009 4:52:48 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Obama's just another word for nothin' left to lose)
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To: calex59
With all the evidence turned to powder who would be retaliate against?

The powder is the evidence. The signature of the device can be analyzed and the origin can be determined in hours. At least, the point of construction could be determined.

If nuclear weapons go up for sale the way that MiGs and Blackhawk helicopters are, then where it was built matters a whole lot less than who set it off. That's the real danger of when nuclear arms become so common they're 'just another weapon'.

240 posted on 05/25/2009 4:53:40 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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