Other Far Right Response (Andrew Sullivan Mentions Free Republic Response to Tiller Murder)

The Atlantic ^ | 31 May 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

[nickcarraway]

From the Free Republic blog commenters, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What goes around comes around...

One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

This isn't good, boys and girls ... not good at all. This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist, every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

SNIP

[Lorianne]

You make no sense.

If something is written, and you don't read it, it doesn't go away. Other people are reading it. Those other people make decisions that affect you and your family.

But if you prefer, by all means, go right ahead and be an:

[donna]

I was posting to nickcarraway who posted more than one thread with the same liberal propaganda.

Why do that? Why not post the conservative view?

It’s the same a distributing flyers for Obama.

[Hardastarboard]

If they took it from us, why can’t we make THEM excerpt it from us, or at least not have to excerpt their work? It seems to me that they’re making money off your website, Mr. Robinson.

[Reagan69]

You are so right... I blush. And I know that too.. my sister lived in AK for 20 years.

I stand corrected.

[Ol' Sparky]

To justify Tiller’s killer makes you a very ugly person.

I didn't justify it. I clearly stated no nation can allow anarchy and murder and remain a civilized one.

That doesn't change the fact that there isn't anything tragic about ghoulish killer like Tiller no longer being alive. The world is a better place without him being free to kill infants.

[Lorianne]

No, it’s not.

It is vitally important that we know what is being written and said and done out in the world. It is especially important that we know what misinformation is being fed through the media. We MUST keep up-to-date with this or it will overtake us.

You cannot have a safe world where you do not have to hear people writing/saying things you don’t agree with or things you consider to be lies.

Not here at FR ... not anywhere.

[DoughtyOne]

I think it could be seen as tragic, if this winds up giving the left an ace in the hole for future propaganda purchases. The media will certainly try to oblige as much as it can.

[DoughtyOne]

I never justified the killing of Tiller. I agree we can't have anarchy and it is the government's and/or God's place to bring men like Tiller to justice.

I don't disagree with anything here. Thanks, meant to mention it and got sidetracked.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Uh,....birds chirping.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Arizona Carolyn. I appreciate the comments.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you. I appreciate the note of agreement.

[Arizona Carolyn]

You're welcome.

People think because the left gets away with deplorable statements it is okay coming from our side; in fact it only pulls us down to their level and gives something people can point at as "proof" we are what they say we are.

I was pleased to see Bill O'Reilly didn't roll over on his program tonight, he went back after the people who tried to smear him over Tiller... but he did it with hard facts. That is what we all need to do, leave the vitriol out of the conversation and hit them with the truth... JMHO

[Fido969]

Do you honestly expect a court to say, hey it’s okay that Ron murdered someone, but it isn’t okay when Al Franken does it? In what world would that be?

I don't know what world that would be. It wouldn't be one that recognized the one true morality.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree. Murder is murder...

[valkyrieanne]

find both of these murders to be unacceptable. The ramifications are too dire to contemplate. If people who profess to support the rule of law are willing to wink and nod when people they disapprove of are gunned down, then we've lost the battle. Conservatism is dead.

This is how I feel, too. Appreciate your words, although I fear you might get flamed for them.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Valkyrieanne. Actually, I expected to take more heat for them than I did. I probably disappointed a lot of people though. Oh well. I have to post what I believe to be true.

[bdeaner]

You posted it at least 3 or 4 times at the minimum yesterday. By doing so leftist lurkers can easily translate that into FR supporting Tiller's killing since he was a late-term abortionist. The article to which you posted it references FR's response to the murder and you disregard that important notation and provide additional support for the left's theory.

Callisto, I posted that picture, and other pictures of abortion, because it is the truth about what Tiller did for a living. Tiller was only one of a few physicians who perform late-term abortions. That does not justify his murder. Nor does his murder justify hiding these pictures of the reality of the murder of the unborn. The truth must be told. Who will tell it if we do not?

Follow the logic with me.

All murder is evil.
Tiller was murdered.
Therefore: The killing of Tiller was an evil act.

Now, just take the next step with me, will you?

All murder is evil.
Abortion is murder.
Therefore: Abortion is an evil act.

MURDER IS EVIL, period. If the media wants to cry over Tiller's murder, then they are obligated to cry over the thousands of unborn he killed. That's fair game. It doesn't justify his killing. It's just a fact. I am not afraid to tell the truth, and the liberals will spin reality the way they want -- believe me, they will do everything to exploit this event and it doesn't matter what we do or say. They will exploit it anyway. Screw them. And Andrew Sullivan -- does anybody really care what he has to say anymore? He has become irrelevant.

And if there is a kid on Free Republic who is smart enough to navigate these pages and make any sense of it for longer than 3 minutes, then they are mature enough to face and cope with the reality of abortion -- and maybe they will grow up to hate the evil that it is. I hope so.

[callisto]

And if there is a kid on Free Republic who is smart enough to navigate these pages and make any sense of it for longer than 3 minutes, then they are mature enough to face and cope with the reality of abortion -- and maybe they will grow up to hate the evil that it is.

Not a 10-year old who has more political and economic understanding than most adults (based on Nov '08 voting), but she is still ten and has yet to learn a thing about the birds and the bees. She cherishes life and who would want to force a child to begin losing their innocence and wonder of the world because of a stark, bloody image?

I permit her to read on FR because of her intelleigence, understanding between right and wrong, and solid conservative values. She can hold her own against most any liberal who crosses her path despite her age. I would rather she learn about politics from here than any other web site. The site is well moderated and foul language is minimal. She's about ready to begin posting on her own and FReepers have a lot of knowledge, history and experience from which she can learn. We need a generation of solid conservatives to put our nation back on its intended path. Would you put those images in front of your own children?

But IMHO spamming all of the Tiller threads with photos of aborted babies is beyond what is needed. The first dozen times should suffice, although I understand your and Jeff Head's intent I just believe it is not totally necessary . . .Remember, on this site, you are preaching to the choir, basically.

[donna]

FR is the place for the conservative response.

[bdeaner]

Psychology is my field, and unless your 10-year-old is very sheltered, she already knows about the birds and the bees. If she didn't learn it from you, she learned it from her peers. My recommendation -- you don't have to take it, of course -- is to sit down and have a talk with her about it. Girls are going into puberty starting around 10-years-old these days -- earlier and earlier (that's an empirical fact, not based on anecdotal evidence).

It won't be long before she has her first menstruation. She will be shocked by that experience unless she can anticipate it and understand what it means, which means some sex education, preferably from a parent. At that time she will be fertile. Depending on where she is getting her education, she is likely to be exposed to boys. Kids these days are experimenting with sexuality at earlier and earlier ages. That means risk of pregnancy, as early as 11 or 12. Even at 10 it is possible, but unlikely.

So, what better time than to teach her about the reality of abortion? If that is not a deterrant to premature sex, I don't know what is. No young woman ever wants to be in a position to decide between being a teen mother or doing THAT to her unborn child. The shocking reality of some pictures might upset your little girl in the short-term, but could prevent a lot of grief in the long time. Just my two cents.

I walk the talk. My 6-year-old has joined the March for Life in DC, and though he does not yet fully comprehend the reality, he knows that a baby grows in a mommy's tummy. And he knows abortion is the intentional killing of that baby. We did not need to teach him that this is wrong. He understood it intuitively and immediately. And, yes, he has seen the pictures during demonstrations, and while he is young compared to your child and less able to assimilate these images, he has coped with it just fine. He is much more disturbed by fictional characters from movies he has seen on posters, like Jason from Friday the 13th and Chucky which are advertised all over the place in full view of any child who cares to look.