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The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
daily mail (uk) ^ | 02nd July 2009 | James Slack

Posted on 07/01/2009 8:13:41 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it is revealed today.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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To: Tired of Taxes
the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

Well, as the Pythons would say,"That's British Rail For You."

21 posted on 07/01/2009 8:56:19 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Mount Athos

If only guns were banned . . .


23 posted on 07/01/2009 8:57:49 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: Mount Athos

yup... the UK is pretty violent, just like the US.

just imagine what would happen if we were pissed off.

don’t mess with us, if you value your future generations.


24 posted on 07/01/2009 9:20:50 PM PDT by sten
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To: Mount Athos
All that violence and no firearms allowed in private hands?
That's not possible!

That is as certain and beyond debate as anthropogenic global warming.
Just saying.

25 posted on 07/01/2009 9:38:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Mount Athos

Let’s see, would that have any correlation to the fact that the name Mohammed is the 17th favorite baby boy name for 2007 up from 22nd in 2006? Hmmmmm?


26 posted on 07/01/2009 9:46:16 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Mount Athos

They need more gun and knife laws!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, England is so stuck in the liberal, environmental, animal rights, hippie utopia, that they live in the La La Land of denial. Just look at the way they put the US down, this is good ammo to use against the liberals who just love to tell me how civilized Europe is compared to the US.


27 posted on 07/01/2009 9:57:24 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: TXBlair
The British are much more intelligent and civilized than the Americans.

The poor ignorant dear doesn't know what selection bias is.

If you are an average American who has lived your whole life in America, you have been exposed to the vast diversity of all Americans, from the most educated and sophisticated right down to the rap singers and Jerry Springer Show guests.

On the other hand, if you perchance should meet an Englishman with the means and motive and opportunity to travel to America, you are not very likely to be meeting an average member of British society. Slack jawed school leavers and multi-generational dole-dependent layabouts on sink estates do not jet off to Hollywood to meet up-and-coming young film stars.

And when the up-and-coming film star becomes the world famous and wealthy film star, and visits or moves house over to England, once again she will not be meeting anything like a representative cross-section of the English people. I could show her round a few council estates in the dodgier parts of greater London that would cure her of her ignorant, snobbish Anglophilia in one afternoon.

28 posted on 07/01/2009 11:08:01 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Thunder90
But... But I thought that the banning of all private firearms and knifes would stop the violence.........

Well, they overlooked banning mean thoughts. But never fear, I'm sure they'll get around to doing so.

29 posted on 07/02/2009 12:16:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Mount Athos

Fathers’ rights activists in Britain saw it coming and long ago predicted the high crime rate as a result of fatherlessness.


30 posted on 07/02/2009 12:16:56 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Mount Athos

Austria placed second? more violent then south africa????sorry but this report is BS.


31 posted on 07/02/2009 12:28:12 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Frantzie

You drop that hat? ;-)


32 posted on 07/02/2009 1:24:22 AM PDT by MadMitch
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To: Mount Athos
But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

While I wouldn't want to belittle the disturbing trend shown by these figures, one should always treat with the greatest caution international comparisons of crime rates simply based on crude numbers, such as this. Widely different systems of classification, and cultural differences which cause more crime to be reported to the police in some countries than others, make these numerical comparisons a very unreliable guide to the reality on the ground. It's the trend within a single country, using internally consistent recording systems, which is a much more reliable indicator. The article does make this caveat, which for once (when excuses are made by a government minister) has substance.

33 posted on 07/02/2009 3:03:52 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Clintonfatigued

Just remember this is reported crime.

A lot of crime is never reported. The murder rate is much lower.


34 posted on 07/02/2009 4:09:46 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: TCats

921 murders versus 20,000.

Im happy with the gun laws as they are.


35 posted on 07/02/2009 4:10:25 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Sparky1776

They do. Theres a lot of violence in Britain, but it very rarely becomes lethal violence.

This is not an inditement of the state of gun laws in the UK. It is an inditement of drink culture. Almost all crime in the UK is drink (or drug) related.


36 posted on 07/02/2009 4:12:01 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Tired of Taxes

Its like everywhere else. Crime, particularly violent crime, tends to be concentrated in particular locations. Usually depressed urban areas.


37 posted on 07/02/2009 4:13:18 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Cicero

Statistics can be misleading. We need to be able to talk back to them.

Firstly, what is the definiton of a “violent crime”? I dont know, but Im sure that it varies from country to country.

Secondly, this is “reported” crime. Crime is more likely to be reported these days.

Thirdly, there may be more violent crime about in the UK, but its much less likely to be lethal violent crime.


38 posted on 07/02/2009 4:16:34 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: familyop

Just so. Im sure thats more to blame than the state of the nations gun laws.


39 posted on 07/02/2009 4:17:41 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Mount Athos

And if you read Theodore Dalrymple, you will find the crime rate is even higher then the “official” crime rate because they don’t even count a large number of crimes.


40 posted on 07/02/2009 4:21:16 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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